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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: corndolly on Tuesday 30 June 15 21:56 BST (UK)
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Have a Patrick Michael Cormack b. 1852 Templemore, Tipperary. Enlisted in the army August 1870. Gave his trade as a baker. [previous posting helped me establish army service]
Married in 1876 Aldershot England - Rachael Harriett Pocock. [Gave his religion as R.C on enlistment, married in Weslyan ch.]
On discharge from the army he gave his intended address as 19 Mary Street, Maryborough, Queens County.
Cannot find Maryborough on Ireland census - plenty of Patrick Cormac/McCormack, but none listing a wife Rachel, Rachel Harriett or Harriett. I don't know if they had children or even if they stayed in Ireland.
Have looked at passenger lists, + Austaralia, U.S and Canada and England census returns for 1890's and 1901, again lots of P.Cormacs but no wife of the right name.
Would be grateful for any info.
corndolly
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To start with its a Barony
http://www.from-ireland.net/history-of-queens-county-laois-borris/
Needs more investigation
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Portlaoise
http://www.igp-web.com/laois/townlands/MaryboroughT.htm
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Haven't found Mary Street yet but getting there :D
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Maryborough_Urban/
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I can't find a Mary Street and can only think he meant Main St. Maryborough. In any case they don't appear to be there in1901.
As it wasn't his home county I would be inclined to think he had got a job lined up or was giving the address of someone he knew so it's possible he never lived there or if he did it wasn't for very long.
There was a bakery and a couple of Hotels on Main Street in 1901.
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Hi There
There is no Mary Street in Portlaoise that I am aware of but is possible Main Street as per Sinann's suggestion.
Cormack is not a local name but there were a few McCormacks On GV !
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/laois/borris.htm
This is 19 Main Street, Portlaoise.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.034053,-7.296708,3a,75y,359.9h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNe5RLjtmCjtq3JEGkL0B6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It's just a stone's throw from the train station.
Anyway, no. 19 is beside Market Square in Portlaoise and a Loughlin McCormack is there on the GV.
No. 29 Main Street is O'Loughlin's Hotel and used to be listed as The Barracks.
You might find the attached useful.
http://www.portlaoisepictures.com/123grayrestaurant.htm
Anyway, the other end of Main Street Portlaoise bring you to Portlaoise Jail which was also used as a military base at one point.
Portlaoise was the middle / heart of Ireland at the time and was used as a central base and a top of travelling to other parts of Ireland.
It may have been simply that he was stopping there on his way back to Tipperary, one county away !
Tara
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Thank you Sinann and Tara.
You say Cormack is not a local name (Portlaoise), presumably it would be more local across the county line in Tipperary?
Also would maybe adding/dropping Mc in front of a name, be common practice, or of benefit socially or in religious terms?
Is there a GV for all Counties, countywide, or do you have to be specific to a town, and would a wifes name be listed on there?.
Sorry to be a pain
corndolly
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GV is property survey http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
Carried out for Tax purposes.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/
Only the owner/occupier is listed, the head of the household as such, so in general terms a wife would only be listed if she was a widow.
The prefix on surname gets a bit complicated but generally were used again from the 1890s
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-last-names.html
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Hi There Corndolly
My point was that Portlaoise had strong military links and was a mid point on most peoples travels and I"d imagine it was on either of these points that he gave the address.
The MC Cormack GV reference was just as an outside possible scenario.
Tara
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Hi
Just looking at your posts I take it that it"s his wife Rachel that you are more interested.
Are you basically just trying to see did they both live and die in Ireland ?
Tara
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Cormacks in Temple more.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tipperary/templemore.htm
Tara
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Do you have his actual marriage cert to Rachel to get his father's name and occupation ?
Tara
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Trades like bakers usually go in families.
In 1880 Slaters there is a John Cormack, Baker, at Main Street Borrisoleigh Templemore.
Tara
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Thanks again Sinann and Tara.
Do understand what you were trying to say Tara, and in light of that am making a presumption he would have possibly been taking his wife to meet his family in Templemore. The reason I asked about name prefix and religion is that Patrick being R.C and Rachel not, I was wondering, if they settled in his home town or the wider County, might they have encountered a problem with baptisms of any children? I don't know how big/little Templemore is, number and denominations of churches etc., but I presume these establishments will hold the only records, ergo the key to my tracing any descendants.
Just read your latest posts Tara - yes Rachel is part of my family. Her father was John Pocock (an agricultural labourer) and mother Jane (nee Rolfe). Rachel was one of 5 children. They were part of the travelling community, and just like all the Patricks and Michaels I have encountered with the Cormacks/McCormacks, the Pococks seemed to like using the same family christian names, so you end up with about 6 Annes all born in the same area within a couple of years!
With Rachels' name being outside of their 'norm' I thought she might be one of the easier ones to follow. How wrong could I be?
Is Slaters like a Kellys Directory?
thanks again
corndolly
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Mixed religion baptisms can be tricky to follow but if they had children they should show up on civil records but there aren't any good matches that I can see.
Yes, Slaters is a trade directory.
Nothing in Ireland that I can see for the Rachel / Harriett variants !
Patrick being too common a Christian name to even attempt a match.
Tara