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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Jomot on Friday 03 July 15 02:07 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth Gibson was born in Twyford in 1822.
In 1861 she was living at 3 Picadilly, St Margaret's with 39-year-old Benjamin Clark, a Framework Knitter, plus her daughters Mary [Ann] Gibson 11 & Hannah Gibson aged 1. Elizabeth's relationship to Benjamin was not stated but Mary [Ann] & Hannah were both listed as his daughters (RG9/2288/104/13) .
Hannah may have died as by 1871 the family was listed as follows (RG10/3276/13/19)
3 Paradise Row (Bedford Street), Leicester St Margaret
Benjamin Clarke 40 Head Leicester Framework Knitter
Elizabeth Clarke 42 Wife Leicestershire Twyford Charwoman
Mary Ann Clarke 20 Daughter Leicester Factory Hand
William Clarke 16 Leicester Trimmer
John Clarke 6 Son Leicester Scholar
Benjamin & Elizabeth claimed they were now married although I have not found any evidence of this, and had both dropped about 7 years from their ages ::)
After this I lose track of them entirely. There is an 1886 newspaper report of the death of 61-year old Benjamin Clarke, a Framework Knitter from Bedford Street, but it looks like this chap may have been married to someone called Rose. Both Benjamin's appear to have been living in Eaton Street in 1851.
Any help in tracing Elizabeth, Benjamin, or any of the children after 1871 would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you seen this one 1891 census
Benjamin Clarke b 1825 Leicester age 66 single frame work knitter
address Licensed Lodging House Whitwick Leicester
Piece 2513 Folio 66 page 28
Also a death registration for Benjamin Clarke b 1825 died Jan-Mar 1900 age 75 Leicester
Death for a Benjamin Clarke 1866 which seems to tie in with the other chap who appears on the census with his wife Rose ..
Not seeing Benjamin so far in the 1881 census
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Just in case it might help unravel,
Entry No.353, FEB 2, 1852, after Banns
BENJAMIN CLARK, 27, bach. FWK, of EATON St, s. of THOMAS CLARK, FWK
ROSETTA PRESTON, 23, sp. of EATON St, d. of ROBERT PRESTON, LABORER
Wits: SAMUEL GREEN, MARY GREEN
and an earlier one
Entry No.233, OCT 31, 1841, after Banns
BENJAMIN CLARKE, full age, bach. LABOURER, of COLSTON St, s. of JOSEPH CLARKE, FWK
MARTHA SMITH, full age, sp. SERVANT, of COLSTON St, d. of JOHN SMITH, BRICKLAYER
Wits: WILIAM RUDKIN, JANE SMITH
Burials at Welford Road
CLARKE BENJAMIN 1886 JUL 21 61 CRAB STREET SAINT MARGARET uR1 2750
CLARKE BENJAMIN 1891 JUN 3 74 SKIPWORTH STREET SAINT GEORGE cE 132
This one is buried with
CLARKE ELIZABETH 1895 JUN 29 38 SKIPWORTH STREET SAINT GEORGE
CLARKE MARTHA 1906 APR 4 90 87 HINCKLEY ROAD LEICESTER
CLARKE BENJAMIN 1900 MAR 6 75 THE WORKHOUSE LEICESTER cB 998
no other clues in the other 2 burials
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Interesting find - thanks Rosie.
I note he says he is single, which would tie in with the lack of a marriage to Elizabeth Gibson, but I'm still struggling to find any of them in 1881, or Elizabeth & the children after 1871.
Willsy, a huge thanks for the marriage / burial info. The Benjamin I'm looking for was the son of William so I think I can rule out the marriages and the 1891 burial, as well as the 1886 one as although the address is different the date & age tie in exactly with the newspaper article I found. The 1900 one is looking the best bet & ties in with Rosie's find, but if he died in the workhouse then its highly unlikely that Elizabeth would be the informant, if she was even with him by then :-\
I am a direct descendent of Elizabeth's youngest sister, Eliza, so she's the one I'm most interested in finding, but as I cant find either of them in 1881 and don't know if she was using Clarke, Gibson, or a different surname entirely its not exactly proving easy :(
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Not having much luck finding Benjamin or Elizabeth this might be a possibility of the son William Clarke in the 1881 census
William Clarke b 1854 Leicester age 27 stocking trimmer
Elizabeth Clarke age 23 b Leicester wife
William Clarke b 1881 Leicester son
Maria Whitworth b 1865 age 16 boarder
Piece 3170 folio 83 page 22
Address 9,St John Street Leicester
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Thanks Rosie,
I can see a marriage between William Clarke & Elizabeth Ann Whitworth in 1878 that could be worth looking at further based on that census entry.
As for Elizabeth, as she & Benjamin don't appear to have married I'm wondering if the 1873 death of Elizabeth Gibson aged 50 could be her?
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Quite possible as she seems to have disappeared not seeing the daughter either or the son ???
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CZ-VK9
This is a military record for a William Clarke East Indies 6th Oct 1876-10th May 1881, then he continues service
Father Benjamin Sister Mary Ann
He is as shoe rivitter, but looking at the census for other Benjamin's, do you think this is them?
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CZ-VK9
This is a military record for a William Clarke East Indies 6th Oct 1876-10th May 1881, then he continues service
Father Benjamin Sister Mary Ann
He is as shoe rivitter, but looking at the census for other Benjamin's, do you think this is them?
Wow, I wasn't expecting that but yes, I think there's a very strong chance that this is him. As well as the names of his father & sister fitting, I know that Elizabeth's brother & father both served in the militia so it would fit perfectly. I think because Elizabeth left Twyford I sort of assumed that she didn't retain any family ties, but perhaps she did after all. Not naming Elizabeth as next of kin would also fit with the 1873 death of Elizabeth Gibson, so I definitely need to take a look at that certificate.
A huge thanks once again.
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My pleasure, I thought it was him too but I was away earlier in the week and only quickly looked at the other Benjamin's children last night just to be on the safe side!
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And following on from Rosie
Welford Road burials
uO 266 C
CLARKE ANNIE 1862 OCT 13 3yrs PARADISE ROW SAINT MARGARET
CLARKE FRANK MOORE 1871 AUG 6 7MTHS PARADISE ROW SAINT MARGARET
CLARKE JOHN 1872 JUN 4 7yrs PARADISE ROW SAINT MARGARET
CLARKE SARAH ANN 1873 AUG 19 6WKS BEDFORD STREET SAINT MARGARET
CLARKE ELIZABETH 1873 OCT 20 50yrs BEDFORD STREET SAINT MARGARET
SELBY BETSY 1902 MAY 28 52 BORO' ASYLUM LEICESTER
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And yet again, thank you!
I'd seen a potential death entry for John in 1872 and as the address on the burial matches the 1871 census I'd have said this must be him, but those other children have got me completely baffled! Sarah Ann was the name of one of Elizabeth's sisters, but she can't have still been having children at 50, surely? Although I guess that could be Mary Ann's daughter.
I managed to get hold of a transcript for St Margaret to try & look for baptisms but its not proving very fruitful so far. Is there another obvious church for the Wheat Street / Picadilly / Bedford Street area I should be looking at?
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Have searched all I have including non-conformist and haven't got anywhere.
This did have me thinking Mary Ann
Births Dec 1870
CLARKE Frank Moore Leicester 7a/199
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Many thanks for looking and for all the information so far. I'll definitely order up the 1873 death certificate for Elizabeth, but with John being there too its looking a good bet that the informant will be Benjamin or Mary Ann.
I've just noticed that the burial date for Frank Moore Clarke is my birthday, so hopefully that's a good omen & he'll turn out to be the son of Mary Ann, although I've still not found her in the later census yet :-\
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Mary Ann has me going round in circles ???
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Mary Ann has me going round in circles ???
me too ;D ;D ;D
A few years out in age but there is a Mary Ann Clarke, single, aged 35 in the workhouse in 1881, & whilst it's probably just a coincidence the next person listed is Elizabeth Moore, an 80-year old widow. Mary Ann appears to have died in the workhouse on 22 June 1883, aged 36.
I think Mary Ann is one I'm going to keep coming back to for years to come but will probably never solve, but I'll post an update if any of the certificates throw up anything new.