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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Paparico on Saturday 04 July 15 06:14 BST (UK)
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The 1861 Census lists Alfred Baker as Farrier with the 5th Royal Irish Lancers at Aldershot.
The 1871 Census lists Alfred as Blacksmith at Huish Episcopi, Somerset, married to Eliza from Shipham, with son Alfred J born in Bristol in 1869.
The 1881 Census lists Eliza married to Charles Dunn, tailor & innkeeper, with stepson, John Baker.
The 1891 Census lists Eliza as "housekeeper" to Charles Dunn with sons Charles Dunn & Taylor Dunn. (Eliza lists herself as "widow", possibly to claim Alfred's pension?)
Charles Dunn dies in 1993 leaving £17 to his wife, Eliza Baker. Eliza's son John moves to Wales, gets his landlord's daughter in the family way, marries her in Bedminster, then Eliza moves in with son John's father-in-law with son Taylor Dunn, who becomes Taylor Dunn Baker, then Frederick Taylor Baker in 1911. Charles Dunn Jr becomes Charles Baker and settles in Bedminster. If anyone has additional facts or photos, please let me know! Aloha!
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Still seeking ANY information of Farrier Sergeant Alfred Baker, born 1831 West Coker, Service No. 1751/260 and/or his marriage to Eliza Vowles born Shipton-on-Sea, Somerset. ANY help greatly appreciated. Aloha! Rico
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There is a marriage for a Thomas BAKER and Elizabeth VOWLES registered at Bedminster Dec qtr 1868 (5c/1187) - a possibility?
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Eliza Vowles born Shipton-on-Sea, Somerset
Just to note that the 1871, 1881 census gives her place of birth as Shipham, Somerset
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I cant find any Marriage on line for Alfred/Eliza.
There ages are very fluid on Census!
Possibles;
ALFRED Baker Bapt 12 Jul 1835, St Martin, West Coker
Mothers AMELIA Baker, occp Gloveress
Sister MARY ANN Baker Bapt same day
Amellia married Henry LONGMAN 23 December 1855, West Coker, Somerset
No Father named on Familysearch.Org
AMELIA Baker Bapt 20 Oct 1811 St Martin
Parents JOHN/PHOEBE
Found 1 sibling Phoebe Apsey Baker 10 Jul 1825, Fathers occp Smith***
1861 we have;
Henry Longman Head Male 36 Christon, Somerset
Amelia Longman Wife Female 49 West Coker, Somerset
Jane Baker Daughter In Law Female 14 West Coker, Somerset
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Looks like John Baker Married twice;
25 Nov 1808 to Phoebe APSEY, down as a Widower
27 Jan 1795 to Sarah APSEY
Sarah BAKER buried 30 Apr 1807 age 37
JOHN Baker buried 25 Oct 1834 age 65
PHEBE Baker buried 18 Dec 1849 age 71, died 13 Dec 1849
Al I have posted is on FreeREG
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Yes, John Baker, blacksmith, was Alfred Baker's grandfather and, after many children by unknown fathers, his mother eventually married Longman. I will check out the Thomas Baker marriage as it is registered at the right place and the right time, but I have found no prior record of him using the name Thomas. Thank you very much for your help and prompt responses! Aloha! Rico
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Let us know the results if you decide to purchase the marriage cert - it should hopefully have fathers' names and occupations, or witnesses which may help you determine if it is them. :)
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the 1868 marriage is a coincidence of names, Elizabeth Vowles married the other man on the page, William Hunt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTSG-PKQ
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Alfred J on the 1871 census registered as Alfred James Baker march qtr 1869 Bristol vol 6a pg 8 mmn Vowles, death registered aged 7 dec qtr 1876 at Langport.
John Baker birth registered march qtr 1872 vol 5c pg 474 Langport mmn Vowles
Charles Dunn Baker registered june qtr 1881 Langport vol 5c pg 404 mmn -
Taylor Dunn Baker registered june qtr 1884 Langport vol 5c pg 405 mmn -
Do you have the death cert for Alfred James to see if Alfred senior is still around at that time?
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I am unable to purchase certificates at present because I live in Hawai'i and the GRO will only accept payment by checks drawn on a London bank; Hawaiian banks do not offer that service, and the USA Post Office will not issue International Money Orders to Britain, so I must wait for Brexit. Alfred James Baker was the first born of Alfred Baker & Eliza Vowles. He drowned, which was somewhat suspicious because Charles Dunn's son by a previous wife also drowned. The Langport news described Eliza as a Widow, but I have never found proof of Alfred Sr.'s death in the UK. He was a Farrier Sergeant, Service Number 1751/260, so he may have died overseas, but the 7th Royal Irish Lancers said they don't keep records of enlisted personnel. I am unable to view a scan of the alleged Thomas Baker Elizabeth Vowles marriage 4Q 1868 Bedminster 5C 1187, but it seems to be in error as Elizabeth Vowles married William Hunt 06.XII.1868. An Eliza Vowles married Thomas Broadbent earlier in the year at Bedminster. I have investigated a number of Eliza Vowles and Eliza Bakers with no more information that that posted on wikitree.com. Alfred's grandson, W.A.Baker had no knowledge of his grandparents except they were from "over there" (nodding toward England). His wife had no letters nor other documentation other than a bundle of photos with no names attached to them, so I really do appreciate all the time you have contributed in researching them. Aloha! Rico
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I neglected to respond to trish1120 about Alfred's age. According to Census returns and the Army, Alfred was born in 1831 but not Baptised until 1835 when his mother had another child baptised. It may be of interest that another child was not baptised until she was an adult about to marry. At that time Amanda attempted to alter the baptismal record to show John Baker (her father) as the father of that daughter, but the vicar made a note to that effect in the margin which does not appear in transcripts of the baptismal record. I have found no evidence of any father of her children as she had no offspring by Longman. I do not know how many children she had, but it seems her many daughters were as independent as she was. Her brother, Henry, was also a blacksmith, who moved to London. Aloha! Rico
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the 1868 marriage is a coincidence of names, Elizabeth Vowles married the other man on the page, William Hunt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTSG-PKQ
My apologies, should have checked :-[
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the GRO accepts visa & mastercard and births up to 1917 & deaths up to 1957 can be ordered in pdf form.