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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Susan Smith on Wednesday 08 July 15 19:44 BST (UK)
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William is my husbands Grandad, he left the marritable home in around 1934, according to what is known, without trace. Leaving several children, including my husbands dad. All children but 1 are deceased now and the one surviving is very old and cannot provide any information.
The question is, they never apparently divorced, would he have been logged as a missing person? Is there a time limit that has to pass before remarrying, his nan remarried in in the first quarter of 1942.
It's so sad, what happened to him?
Sue
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What was his wife's name?
Mark
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Doris Mabel wilding, they married in 1916, she remarried and became Southgate.
Sue
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A photograph on a family tree on ancestry of William and Doris as young people, he is wearing a uniform, the trousers are actually jodhpurs and it looks like an ammunition belt across the shoulder. Was he in a cavalry unit? They married 1916 during WW1.
His enlistment papers would give more information about him that might be useful going forward.
Did you get their marriage certificate? it will give an address of where he was staying/living at the time of the marriage.
The ancestry family has his father as George however there is more than one possibility on the 1911 census.
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Thank you Amondg, the family tree on Ancestry is Hubby's, the photo is the only photo he has, we tried Forces War records and sent the photo but they could not tell us anything, other than the uniform was a standard issue one of the time.
We do have the Marriage Certificate which shows both William and Doris living at the same address, which is her families address, it does show his Dad as George a Labourer. Unfortunately we do not know where William was born or his Mothers Name. On the marriage certificate he is down as being a Bombardier in what looks like RHA. The only living child is very elderly and,lives in Belgium, she believes he,was in the King Royal Rifles.
I think we are going to have to wait for the next census to hopefully find,anymore info, at least we may discover where he was born from that. We have checked electoral rolls and he was showing with the family up to 1933 but gone in 1934 so presume he disappeared between those years. Unfortunately there is not much info shown in these records.
thank you so much for taking time to look for us.
Alan and Sue.
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his nan remarried in in the first quarter of 1942.
Does the marriage state she is widowed
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Yes it does Rosie, but we believe she waited the 7!yeas so he was presumed dead.
Thx
Alan and sue
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I obtained Doris Mabel Smiths (formerly Wilding) certificate of Marriage to Arthur Cecil Southgate in 1942, She has put herself as Spinster (she was not as was married to William) Arthur was down as Batchelor but think he was married before. Doris's Father was down as James Smith deceased, her father was James Wilding not Smith, the witnesses were her Daughter Phylis and her husband their surname was Estur. This is another intreging find as were they deceiving the authorities by putting false information. This has made it even more difficult as we were hopeing that Doris would be down as Widow or Divorced.
Alan
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Doris Mabel wilding, they married in 1916, she remarried and became Southgate.
Did you get their marriage certificate?
it will give an address of where he was staying/living at the time of the marriage.
The ancestry family has his father as George however there is more than one possibility on the 1911 census.
I was going to ask about the 1916 m/c also but I see that the details have been giving here on another thread headed Southgate
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763890.9
The marriage certificate of
William and Doris shows father as George Occupation Labourer.
address 13 winters avenue
They got married in 1916, William was in the Army as occupation is Bombardier
in what looks like RHA
but an only Living Daughter who is very elderly and,lives in Belgium did say when contacted quite a while ago that he was in the Kings Own Royal Rifles, but has very little information.
The problem is that we don't know where William was born and his mothers name, which obviously makes it very difficult.
Was and age given for William or was it just full age?
Who witnessed their marriage?
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Hi Lady Hawk, William was born in 1892/91 the witnesses were Doris's sister and not sure who the other was, the second marriage was witnessed by Doris's Daughter(my Aunt) and her husband. But there were obviously fibs told as some information on the second marriage were not right as she put herself as a spinster and Arthur is a Batchelor but both been married before so expected to see widow or divorced and we don't know what happened to William, also dorises father is down as James Smith but he was James Wilding, can only imagine James Smith was put so no questions asked.
Alan
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Have you tried searching the 1939 register or death registrations with his full date of birth :-\
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Unfortunatel Rosie we do not know his full date of birth or definstelybwhere he was born.
Many the
Alan
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Unfortunatel Rosie we do not know his full date of birth or definstelybwhere he was born.
Many the
Alan
Sorry I should have read the recent posts more thoroughly.
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Don't know if you have this or if its any help but, Doris Mabel Wilding was baptised 06/10/1899 at St Mary's East Ham, the daughter of James and Louisa Elizabeth Wilding, they were living at 22, Melbourne Road EHam and James was a foreman.
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Have posted some time ago,
Looking for any information on William Smith, he left the Marital Home in approx 1933 and supposedly never seen again.
We do not know where William was born the only information we have is he Married Doris Mabel Wilding in 1916 and was in the forces at that stage, the address given was the same as Doris's family.
It shows his Dad as George Smith, General Labourer on the Marriage Cert, dont know Georges wifes name.
We know he was living at 426/428 Lonsdale Avenue, East Ham, when he left, His wife Doris re married in 1942 to Arthur Southgate.
It is like looking for a needle in a Haystack, Alan Smith (my Hubby) has done his DNA on Ancestry and there are 2 close matches that are not responding, whether they are getting the messages or not we dont know but they could hold some information.
Any help or information would be appreciated.
Sue and Alan Smith.
W
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What avenues have you pursued so far?
Have you been through WW1 service records to look for a william smith who wed Doris Mabel?
(Is it still free access at the moment)?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=798035.0
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I just tried no luck but thx
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On marriage cert says he was a Bombardier in looks like RHA
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RHA = Royal Horse Artillery
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1 will ask moderator to merge to prevent duplication of info
topics now merged
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do you know what the 'J" in williams middle name is for.?
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did william have any brothers or sisters?
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Don’t know Richard we have very little info
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Have you checked with Newham archives/local studies if they have East Ham absent voter lists from ww1? If they do, you may find a service number/regiment for him that you can use to search the military collections/newspapers possibly exposing some more clues about him.
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doris wildings mothers name was powling
doris was living with the southgates at the address you mentioned in 1939. you could have a look at neighbours and see if there is an unusual name you could try to trace to a living person.
have you tried to follow up the southgate connection and see if anyone knows anything from a living southgate person
ancestry has two trees one alan and one rons, both seem very similar, are you sure you are not making an assumption from the other tree. What information are you certain of?