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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: minnie1703 on Thursday 09 July 15 17:38 BST (UK)
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Hi can anyone help with my Shaw ancestors. Thomas shaw was born arnd 1800and married Elizabeth shaw(nee Shaw) they had 5 children
Margaret b.c1842
William b.c1829
Thomas b. C1833
Matthew b.c1832
And
James b,c1842
Can anyone help with Thomas and/or Elizabeth's parents and/or siblings please?
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Presbyterian?
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I think so because this side of my family were apparantely members of the Masonic lodge
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The Masons were not a Presbyterian organization.
However, I'm actually more concerned with the details you've posted about the Shaw family and am wondering if you are gathering up details on all the one family.
"Thomas was born c1801 and Elizabeth c1805 in Belfast, they had a son william shaw and his details are as follows: William Shaw born in May 1828 in donagha county Monaghan.he married Jean edgar in scotland"
If the Shaws were from Belfast them it's a bit unusual to find them having a son in Monaghan. If that is the case them perhaps it's a Masonic Lodge in Monaghan where Thomas Shaw was a member.
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IF PRESBYTERIAN.....
There was a Baptism at Ballyalbany Pres. Church, Monaghan Town on 17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh. NOTE: Baptism, not Birth!
The Gibsons are still around, not sure of Shaws!!
This may or may not be yours!!
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The Masons were not a Presbyterian organization.
However, I'm actually more concerned with the details you've posted about the Shaw family and am wondering if you are gathering up details on all the one family.
"Thomas was born c1801 and Elizabeth c1805 in Belfast, they had a son william shaw and his details are as follows: William Shaw born in May 1828 in donagha county Monaghan.he married Jean edgar in scotland"
If the Shaws were from Belfast them it's a bit unusual to find them having a son in Monaghan. If that is the case them perhaps it's a Masonic Lodge in Monaghan where Thomas Shaw was a member.
From the information I have all the children were born in monoghan but thomas was definately from Belfast area which is really frustrating, maybe his wife Elizabeth was from Monaghan, but because so man records differ iam unsure of this
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Baptism, at St Salvator's C of I Church, Donagh/Glaslough on 26th Feb 1797 Thomas son, Matthew Shaw + Margaret, of Billis, Co Monaghan??
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IF PRESBYTERIAN.....
There was a Baptism at Ballyalbany Pres. Church, Monaghan Town on 17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh. NOTE: Baptism, not Birth!
The Gibsons are still around, not sure of Shaws!!
This may be the correct thomas because one of his daughters has the same middle name as his mothers maiden name Gibson, nieces name is also Ellen Gibson shaw so it might be right
This may or may not be yours!!
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Baptism, at St Salvator's C of I Church, Donagh/Glaslough on 26th Feb 1797 Thomas son, Matthew Shaw + Margaret, of Billis, Co Monaghan??
Is this another baptism for Thomas Shaw in Monaghan?
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IF PRESBYTERIAN.....
There was a Baptism at Ballyalbany Pres. Church, Monaghan Town on 17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh. NOTE: Baptism, not Birth!
We're did you find this info? Who are the other 3 or more siblings? If you don mind my asking as I'd like to write them down please, sounds promising but still unsure however I think it's still important to take note
The Gibsons are still around, not sure of Shaws!!
This may be the correct thomas because one of his daughters has the same middle name as his mothers maiden name Gibson, nieces name is also Ellen Gibson shaw so it might be right
This may or may not be yours!!
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Yes.....another one!!
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17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw and 26th Feb 1797 Thomas son of Matthew Shaw
2 Different Thomases!
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IF PRESBYTERIAN.....
There was a Baptism at Ballyalbany Pres. Church, Monaghan Town on 17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh. NOTE: Baptism, not Birth!
The Gibsons are still around, not sure of Shaws!!
This may be the correct thomas because one of his daughters has the same middle name as his mothers maiden name Gibson, nieces name is also Ellen Gibson shaw so it might be right
This may or may not be yours!!
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17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw and 26th Feb 1797 Thomas son of Matthew Shaw
2 Different Thomases!
Thankyou very much, I have something to hopefully work from now x
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Does Foxburne Road, London SW17 mean anything to you??
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Not that I can think of, I live in Scotland
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OK.
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You mention that Thomas was the 4th son of William and rebecca, are you able to give me the names of the other children?
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All I have is...
B/albany Bapts:
10th May 1802 James 3rd son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Drumsnat
7th Feb1805 Jean 1st dau of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Ballinode, Tedavnet
17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh
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All I have is...
B/albany Bapts:
10th May 1802 James 3rd son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Drumsnat
7th Feb1805 Jean 1st dau of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Ballinode, Tedavnet
17th April 1806 Thomas 4th son of William Shaw + Rebecca Elizabeth Gibson of Skinnagin, Donagh
THANKYOU x
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Minnie, this is really getting quite ridiculous although I'm sure you didn't intend to cause so much confusion today. You've started 5 topic (several on the wrong board then duplicated elsewhere rather than waiting for a moderator to move them after you'd reported a problem). Even worse is that you post one thing then later contradict yourself later.
So far you've said-
Thomas Shaw born c1801 Belfast, in Masonic Lodge in Belfast (family story)
wife Elizabeth born c1805 Belfast/maybe Monaghan, maiden name Shaw (in 3 posts)/maiden name O'Neil
son William born May 1828 Donagha Co. Monaghan/born 1829, married in Scotland
From what you've posted so far there's no way to tell if any of the Monaghan records are for your Shaw family although you should certainly keep a note of them in case there does prove to be a link.
You need to start with FACTS and work your way back through records, Scottish ones first, to keep from making so many mistakes or assumptions. Aside from Scottish census records do you actually have any birth, marriage or death certificates? have you checked for church records? traced all possible descendants to see what information, documents and stories they have?
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Sorry to cause so much confusion, as I mentioned earlier it's because I have 2 trees and I looked at the tree that was outdated first instead of the most up to date one. Elizabeth's name is O'Neil and her birth place has been guessed as monoghan because of her children been born there but Thomas was definately from Belfast. I have their son williams birth and death certificates were it says Elizabeth was a shaw also but from another relatives certificate of another child's marriage (not sure which one until I check)it states her name as O'Neil......my 3xgrt grandfather william Shaw and his siblings all lived in dalry Ayrshire before he married Janet edgar in 1849 in dalry. Their marriage certificate says williams parents are Thomas and Elizabeth Shaw, but on Margaret shaw and Daniel magill/mcgills marriage cert it it says her name is O'Neil(just checked) also on Matthew shaw and Elizabeth nodes/nodds marriage cert it also says O'Neil. All thomas and Elizabeth's children were born in Ireland but married in Scotland....im sorry for causing such confusion, even though I've been learning how to do this for years I still struggle a lot of the time especially with my Irish ancestors.....think I need a crash course of using this site
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Wait a minute here-
Thomas was definately from Belfast
Proof?
I have their son williams birth and death certificates
William was born in Ireland in 1820s? there will be no birth certificate- registration of births didn't start until 1864
How do you know that William, Margaret, etc. are all siblings? or even half-siblings?
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I'm wondering where William Shaw born in May 1828 in donagha county Monaghan came from!
Is this based on a fact?