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Title: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Monday 13 July 15 21:26 BST (UK)
I would be glad of any help in finding out what happened to Thomas GALE and his family and more information on his parents.

I think he was born 1818 in Cornwood, Devon.
I am sure he married Jane FOX in 9 June 1844. His father was also Thomas from the marriage information.

In 1851 I find Thomas (1818) and Jane (1820) living in Egg Buckland with Elizabeth (1843), Mary Grace (1845), Emma J (1848) and Thomas H (1851).

In 1861 Census Thomas (1813) Jane (1812) are still in Egg Buckland with Emma (1848), Thomas(1851), William (1852), Joseph (1855) and Alice (1860).
There is another daughter Ellen (1857) who is living with Janes sister, Mary Chappel and her husband in Ugborough and lives with them even after she has married.

However, I cannot find any trace of the rest of the family from the 1861 census after that year. It is as if they have all disappeared!

I would welcome any thoughts or discoveries.
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 13 July 15 22:33 BST (UK)
There's a Mary Grace Gale marriage in Plymouth dist Mar 1875.

Groom Cornelius Murphy or Henry Williams Parker
Other bride Sarah Susannah M Adams

Worth checking out even if to rule her out.
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 13 July 15 22:38 BST (UK)
I think Henry W Parker marries Mary Grace but in 1881 she is born Plymouth 1850. 
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Monday 13 July 15 23:06 BST (UK)
Many thanks Milliepede for looking at this.

I did find what I think is Mary in the 1861 census. She is a servant with a family called Helyer. They are in Egg Buckland Village but her place of birth is given as Ivybridge which is quite close to Ugborough as given on all the census.

I am really not sure about that marriage giving her birth place as Plymouth.

Many thanks again for your thoughts on this ;).
Graham
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: ..claire.. on Monday 13 July 15 23:45 BST (UK)
Hi

Youngest child Alice Gale is with her sister Elizabeth Dawe  in 1881 and 1871

1881: Plymouth, Charles the martyr: 18 Lipson Vale ?

Elizabeth Dawe hd wife mar 38 farm labourers wife bn Ugborough
Richard Thos. son 17   ? ? labourer                         "Stoke Devon
Joseph W         "    "             "                                    "        "
Alfred C           "   9   scholar                                      "       "
Rhoda I         dau 13  mothers help                            "        "
Ellen E             "    7 scholar                                      "        "
ALICE GALE sister in law 21 Gen. servant unemployed bn ?  ? knowle DEvon

Class: RG11; Piece: 2191; Folio: 18; Page: 29

claire
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Monday 13 July 15 23:59 BST (UK)
Many thanks Clair,

I am sure that you are right. That places the youngest and the oldest daughters and I am sure that I know what happened to Ellen.

Hopefully we will find what happened to the rest.

Many thanks again for your interest in this,
Graham
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: ..claire.. on Tuesday 14 July 15 00:03 BST (UK)
Hi

Joseph born 1855, only record for a Joseph Gale c1855 is Joseph DAVID Gale in 1855 Plympton, the district they were in.

Death June Qtr. 1861 Plympton ~ Joseph David Gale.

claire
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Tuesday 14 July 15 00:12 BST (UK)
Again many thanks Claire,

I have not found anything suggesting that Joseph is Joseph David but will keep looking.

I have found the marriage for Elizabeth in Tavistock 1865. She married a John Dawe. Her name is down as GILEs but I guess this is a transcription error.

Thanks for helping with this
Graham

Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 14 July 15 00:17 BST (UK)
Joseph David Gale of Knackers Knowle (matches family's address in 1851 & 1861) was buried at Egg Buckland on 28 April 1861 aged 6 years.
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 14 July 15 00:38 BST (UK)
Possibly relevant is a marriage of Thomas Henry Gale to Rebecca Elizabeth Titherly at Plympton St Mary, 25 December 1872.
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Tuesday 14 July 15 00:55 BST (UK)
Hi avm228,

Thank you for looking at this and your help.

That burial of Joseph David confirms the death that Clair had found. It may be relevant that the child Ellen born in 1857 is living with relatives by 1861 when Joseph died.

The marriage of Thomas Henry looks possible. It would be nice to find him in 1871.

Your help and assistance is much appreciated.
Graham
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 14 July 15 01:10 BST (UK)
As you have probably already discovered, in 1871 the family does not appear to be in the hamlet of Knackers Knowle enumerated at RG10/2109/36/1 and onwards.  I had thought they might be hiding there under a mistranscription.
Title: Re: The GALE family vanish
Post by: grahamsittee on Tuesday 14 July 15 14:54 BST (UK)
Hi avm228, Thanks for looking. It is certainly a puzzle as to where they all went.

I am also struggling getting back along the line. I am fairly sure Thomas (1818) was born in Cornwood, Devon from the census and that his father was also a Thomas from his marriage to Jane FOX. However, I can not find anything convincing about the father.

Many thanks for your help and interest in this,
Graham