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Title: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: William Edward davidson on Wednesday 15 July 15 16:18 BST (UK)
I am trying to find out some information on the doak family. My paternal grandmother was named Janet Doak born oct 10 1897 in greenock  she married William Davidson born June 16 in boy die. The married in Kingston Ontario Canada. I was lucky enough to know my grandfather until he passed in 1993. I never knew my grandmother or anything about her family except her father was David doak and mother Catherine currie. I know Janet was born in #1 Hill St in greenock. And they lived on regent street. I suppose I am looking for more history if anyone wouldike to help me out. Grave stones for David or Catherine any pictures of the doak family. Anything that can make them more than a name. Thank you so much
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:29 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

1901 census for 42 Roxburgh St Renfrewshire.  All b Greenock except Catherine

David Doak   36 Guards grocers van man  (see reply below)
Catherine 26 b Duntocher
Jane     8
John  7
Lizzie  5
Janet  3
Dougall  1
Greenock West ED 12 Page 5 Line 1
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:35 BST (UK)
David Doak was a Grocer's van driver.
In 1901 he was living at 42 Roxburgh St. Greenock
David Doak  36
Catherine Doak  26
Jane Doak  8
John Doak  7
Lizzie Doak  5
Janet Doak  3
Dougall Doak  1
I see Carole beat me to it.
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:36 BST (UK)
1891 for 7 Nile St Greenock.  All b Greenock unless shown otherwise

Elizabeth Doak   Head 57 b Berry, Ireland Lon ??
David 26
James  9 g/son
George Rooney   23 sailor b Belfast
Maggie Rooney   26
John Doak   58 lodger b Arran
Malcolm Livingstone   51 lodger b Jura
Greenock West ED 18 Page 8 Line 18
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:40 BST (UK)
1881 10 Nile St.  All children b Greenock

Elizabeth Doak   45 b Ireland
William  25
Margaret 18
David  16
Joseph 14

Lodgers

David Wilson   45
William Ross   35
William Philips   25
Greenock Middle ED 25 Page 16 Line 19
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:42 BST (UK)
Jumping back to 1871 to see who is father is there's this family at 108 Drumfrochar Rd. Greenock:
John Docks  56 b.Ireland umemployed labourer
Elizabeth Docks  35 b.Ireland
James Docks  16
John Docks  15
William Docks  11
Margaret Docks  7
David Docks  7
Joseph Docks  4
Boarders:
David Wilson  35
Maria Wilson  40
David Wilson  10
James Wilson  32
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:44 BST (UK)
1871 108 Drumfrochar Road - all children from John b Greenock

John Doak   56 b Ireland
Elizabeth  35 b Ireland
James  16 b Glasgow
John 15
William  11
Margaret     7
David  7
Joseph  4

Boarders
David Wilson   35
Maria Wilson   40
David Wilson   10
James Wilson   32
Greenock West ED 39 Page 33 Line 23
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:50 BST (UK)
In 1861 they also had a son Robert aged 14 b Ireland which would suggest they married in Ireland rather than Scotland

What is odd is that they have a 12yr old daughter Margaret b Glasgow which does not tie in with the 1871 Margaret so perhaps the older Margaret died.

There is also a 1yr old Samuel McSween shown as "charge" which may be a foster child

Greenock West ED 21 Page 2 Line 18

Do you know a Carolyn Jean Baston as she has notified mis-transcriotions on both the 1861 and 1871 entries so may also be researching this family
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 15 July 15 17:57 BST (UK)
A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 28 Trafalgar Street, Greenock on 29th September 1892. (Greenock Telegraph 30.09.1892)

A son to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 28 Trafalgar Street, Greenock on 23 October 1893. (Greenock Telegraph 24.10.1893)

A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, carter, born at 1 Hill Street, Greenock on 28th July 1895. (Greenock Telegraph 29.07.1895)

A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, carter, born at 1 Hill Street, Greenock on 10th November 1897. (Greenock Telegraph 11.11.1897)

A son to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 42 Roxburgh Street, Greenock on 6th April 1900. (Greenock Telegraph 07.04.1900) Dugald Currie died 10th May 1901 (Greenock Telegraph 10.05.1901)

David Doak, carter, husband of Kate Currie, died at 77 Regent Street, Greenock on 29th August 1908 (Greenock Telegraph 29.08.1908)
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:02 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Doak died at 82 Drumfrochar Road, Greenock on 27th December 1908 age 79. (Greenock Telegraph 28.12.1908)

John, son of Elizabeth Doak, died at 7 Nile Street, Greenock on 22nd may 1889 age 34 – wife Janet (Greenock Telegraph 23.5.1889)

A few more there which would be worth looking at- Greenock Intimations (https://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/community-life-and-leisure/libraries/archives-local-history-and-heritage/family-history/intimations)
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:02 BST (UK)
There's a Birth registered in Gourock Renfrewshire for a David Doak in 1863 which is probably him.
This is on Scotlands People & it will tell you the mothers maiden name.
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:11 BST (UK)
To research Catherine Currie you will need to download a copy of the Doak/Currie marriage cert to find her parents names.  There are several possibilities on earlier census entries

The marriage was in 1892

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  - this is a pay per view site via purchase of credits
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 15 July 15 18:57 BST (UK)
There's a Birth registered in Gourock Renfrewshire for a David Doak in 1863 which is probably him.
This is on Scotlands People & it will tell you the mothers maiden name.

Jim, from your info, family search have this possibility https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQXR-LPJ  Original image, as you say, is available to view on Scotlands People  :)

Not sure if this birth fits with what has been found so far. This John and Christina (Mathie) show a few more children, Janet 1869 in Greenock and Christina in 1871 also in Greenock. Does not fit with what has been found so far on censuses really...

Monica
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 15 July 15 19:11 BST (UK)
Yes looks like the wrong David.
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 15 July 15 19:46 BST (UK)
There is an online tree (subs to Anc. required) which includes original image of David's marriage to Catherine Currie in 1891 in Greenock. Parents John Doak, mason, deceason. Mother Eliza Hetrick (?). Also Armour mentioned? http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/62462515/person/40088057963

Don't think this has been included so far, 1861:

John Doak 35 Coal Miner
Eliza Jane Doak 23
Margaret J Doak 3
David Doak 2 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYYQ-656
Margaret Doak 67

Address: 12 Brick Row, Kilwinning Ayrshire

Needs more work.

Have to work really from the info on David Doak and Catherine Currie...

Also included is the original image for David's death in 1908, husband of Catherine Currie, son of John Doak, labourer, and Elizabeth Hettrick (still alive). David, a Grocer's vanman, living at 77 Regent's Street, Greenock.

Have to go out now. Can't make sense it really  :-\

Monica  :)
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 20:50 BST (UK)
Re: my earlier reply on 1861 entry - it shows father John as a mason's labourer

John Doak   40 b Ireland
Elizabeth    31   ditto
Robert  14       ditto
Margaret  12 b Glasgow
James 8 b Greenock
John    6      ditto
William 3    ditto
Samuel McSwean 1
Greenock West ED 21 Page 2 Line 11
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 15 July 15 20:57 BST (UK)
1851 entry for Lanarkshire

John Doak   33 b Derry - masons labourer
Elizabeth 21 b Derry
Robert  4 b Down
Margaret  3 b Glasgow
Jane  2 Months b Glasgow
Barony ED 2B Page 16 Line 4

NB - 1851/1861/1871 have shown surname as Dock and the same person has reported all 3 as mis-transcriptions
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 15 July 15 21:23 BST (UK)
It's probably all a bit overwhelming to get so much information at one time so here's a brief family tree with the details found so far-

John Doak (c1815-aft.1871) m. Elizabeth Hettrick/Hatrick? (c1829 Londonderry?, Ireland-27 Dec.1908)
     1861 census- Greenock West: John Doak, 40, mason’s labourer, b.Ire.; Elizabeth Doak, 31, b.Ire.; Robert Doak, 14, b.Ire.; Margaret Doak, 12, b.Glasgow; James Doak, 8, b.Greenock; John Doak, 6, b.Greenock; William Doak, 3, b.Greenock; Samuel McSwean, 1.
     1871 census- 108 Drumfrochar Rd., Greenock: John Docks, 56, unemployed labourer, b.Ire.; Elizabeth Docks, 35, b.Ire.; James Docks, 16; John Docks, 15; William Docks, 11; Margaret Docks, 7; David Docks, 7; Joseph Docks, 4. Also 4 boarders named Wilson.
     1881 census- 10 Nile St., Greenock Middle (all children b.Greenock): Elizabeth Doak, 45, b.Ire.: William Doak, 25; Margaret Doak, 18; David Doak, 16; Joseph Doak, 14. Also 3 lodgers.
     1891 census- 7 Nile St., Greenock West (all b.Greenock unless shown otherwise): Elizabeth Doak, 57, b.Londonderry?, Ire.; David Doak, 26; grandson James Dioak, 9;George Rooney, 23, sailor, b.Belfast; Maggie Rooney, 26; lodger John Doak, 58, b.Arran; lodger Malcolm Livingstone, 5, b.Jura.
     Elizabeth Doak died at 82 Drumfrochar Road, Greenock on 27th December 1908 age 79. (Greenock Telegraph 28.12.1908)
1.   Robert Doak (c1847 Ire.-aft.1861)
2.   Margaret Doak (c1849 Glasgow-aft.1861)
3.   James Doak (c1855-aft.1871)
4.   John Doak (c1855-22 May 1889) m. Janet
          John, son of Elizabeth Doak, died at 7 Nile Street, Greenock on 22nd may 1889 age 34 – wife Janet (Greenock Telegraph 23.5.1889)
5.   William Doak (c1860 Greenock-Jan.1911) m. Ann
          William Doak, baker, husband of Ann, died at 77 Regent Street, Greenock in January 1911. (Greenock Telegraph 11.1.1911)
6.   Margaret Doak (c1862 Greenock-aft.1881)
7.   David Doak (c1863-1908) m. Catherine Currie
8.   Joseph Doak (c1867 Greenock) m. Margaert Denny
          Joseph Doak to Margaret, 2nd daughter of John Denney, joiner, at 34 South Street, Greenock on 6th June 1889. (Greenock Telegraph 7.6.1889)

These may also be connected-
     Janet, youngest daughter of James Doak, mason, to Hugh Crawford Small, engineer, at 42 Holmscroft Street, Greenock on 22nd July 1879 by Reverend M. Reid. (Greenock Telegraph 26.7.1879)
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, engineer, born at 22 Trafalgar Street, Greenock on 26th August 1912. (Greenock Telegraph 26.08.1912)
     James Doak, moulder, to Mary Hyndman, youngest daughter of late William McColl, contractor, at Greenock on 25th February 1898. (Greenock Telegraph 02.03.1898)
     ? William, infant son of James and Elizabeth Doak, died at 15 Regent Street, Greenock on 16th February 1900. (Greenock Telegraph 16.2.1900)
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs James Doak, jnr, moulder, born at 4 Prospecthill Street, Greenock on 20th February 1901. (Greenock Telegraph 21.02.1901)
     A son to Mr & Mrs James Doak, jnr, moulder, born at 4 Prospecthill Street, Greenock on 13th January 1903. (Greenock Telegraph 13.01.1903)
     Jessie Bell, daughter of James Doak, moulder, 31 Dempster Street, to John Thomas Massicks, at 14 Kelly Street, Greenock on 7th June 1912 (Greenock Telegraph 11.6.1912)
     James Doak, ironmoulder, died at 31 Dempster Street, Greenock on 5th September 1912 age 70. (Greenock Telegraph 05.09.1912)
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 15 July 15 21:26 BST (UK)
David Doak (c1863-29 Aug.1908 at 77 Regent St.), carter, m.(1892) Catherine “Kate” Currie (c1875-aft.1901). Regent St.
     1892/3- 28 Trafalgar St.; 1893/1897- 1 Hill St. 1900/1901- 42 Roxburgh St.
     1901 census- 42 Roxburgh St., Greenock West, Renfrewshire (all b.Greenock except Catherine): David Doak, 36, grocers van man; wife Catherine, 26, b.Duntocher; dau. Jane Doak, 8; son John Doak, 7; dau. Lizzie Doak, 5; dau. Janet Doak, 3; son Dougall Doak, 1.
     David Doak, carter, husband of Kate Currie, died at 77 Regent Street, Greenock on 29th August 1908 (Greenock Telegraph 29.08.1908)
1.   Jane Doak (29 Sept.1892)
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 28 Trafalgar Street, Greenock on 29th September 1892. (Greenock Telegraph 30.09.1892)
2.   John Doak (23 Oct.1893)
     A son to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 28 Trafalgar Street, Greenock on 23 October 1893. (Greenock Telegraph 24.10.1893)
3.   Lizzie Doak (28 July 1895)
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, carter, born at 1 Hill Street, Greenock on 28th July 1895. (Greenock Telegraph 29.07.1895)
4.   Janet Doak (10 Nov.1897) m.(Kingston, Ont.) William Davidson
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, carter, born at 1 Hill Street, Greenock on 10th November 1897. (Greenock Telegraph 11.11.1897)
5.   Dougall Currie Doak (6 Apr.1900-10 May 1901)
     A son to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 42 Roxburgh Street, Greenock on 6th April 1900. (Greenock Telegraph 07.04.1900) Dugald Currie died 10th May 1901 (Greenock Telegraph 10.05.1901)
6.   Peggy Doak (21 Sept.1902-18 Apr.1904)
     A daughter to Mr & Mrs David Doak, born at 77 Regent Street, Greenock on 21st September 1902. (Greenock Telegraph 22.09.1902) Peggy died 18th April 1904 (Greenock Telegraph 18.04.1904)
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 15 July 15 21:26 BST (UK)
Notes
The surname Doak is found in North Derry/North Antrim which makes sense with Elizabeth's birthplace in 1901 census- probably reads Londonderry Ireland. Her surname is likely to be Hatrick rather than Hettrick.

It looks like one of John and Elizabeth's children might have been born in Scotland in 1855- fingers crossed- because that year had masses of family details included such as -
Child: name, sex, date, time & place of birth
Mother: name & maiden surname
Mother: occupation (usually shown only if parents not married or no father's name given)
Mother: age & place of birth (1855 only)
Father: name & rank, profession or occupation
Father: age & place of birth   (1855 only)
Parents: date & place of marriage   (1855 only, then 1861 to date)
Siblings: parents' other children, living or deceased (numbers and sex only) 1855 only
Informant: qualification & signature (address if different from location of birth)
Registrar: date & place of registration, signature
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: William Edward davidson on Thursday 16 July 15 23:09 BST (UK)
All I can say is Thank you, I never imagined I would receive so much help.  I hope that I can repay the favor some day.

Bill
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: William Edward davidson on Friday 17 July 15 04:11 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

1901 census for 42 Roxburgh St Renfrewshire.  All b Greenock except Catherine

David Doak   36 Guards grocers van man  (see reply below)
Catherine 26 b Duntocher
Jane     8
John  7
Lizzie  5
Janet  3
Dougall  1
Greenock West ED 12 Page 5 Line 1
Yes thats them, is it possible to find the census for scotland online without joining ancestry or is that something I am going to have to do.  I did do some work on there at the start but have to admit its tough without them.  but the work you and everyone else here has really helped me, given me was much to work with.  A little history that isn't online is that Janet is my paternal grandmother.  When she was 21 she took a steamer from Scotland to canada.  She met my grandfather william davidson sometime in 1923 at a dance in kingston Ontario.  They lived a stones throw from each other in scotland, her in greenock him in boyndie they had never met until they were here.  William Davidson came here sometime after the war and on 4 march 1925 they were married.  They had three children, the youngest was my father, his sister jean 6 years older and his oldest sister by 12 years, her name was ella.  William Davidson hadn't returned from the war as yet when she died on 21 June 1945.  Not much is really known.  No hospital records at the hospital in hamilton ontario that date back that far.  The cemetery where she is buried have no records on her,  but she is there in a military plot that was designated for my grandfather,  he lived until 6 june 1993, I knew him quite well and spent quite a bit of time with him but he never spoke of her.  Only this project has brought her to my attention, my questions about a family i belong to and never knew.  So all of these replies mean so much
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: William Edward davidson on Friday 17 July 15 04:14 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

1901 census for 42 Roxburgh St Renfrewshire.  All b Greenock except Catherine

David Doak   36 Guards grocers van man  (see reply below)
Catherine 26 b Duntocher
Jane     8
John  7
Lizzie  5
Janet  3
Dougall  1
Greenock West ED 12 Page 5 Line 1
Thank you Carole I would never have known Catherine was born there.  thank you so much for your help i have read all of the replies and work you have put into this thank you

and i wonder as i am only 54 what a grocers van man is lol
bill
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: William Edward davidson on Friday 17 July 15 04:19 BST (UK)
David Doak was a Grocer's van driver.
In 1901 he was living at 42 Roxburgh St. Greenock
David Doak  36
Catherine Doak  26
Jane Doak  8
John Doak  7
Lizzie Doak  5
Janet Doak  3
Dougall Doak  1
I see Carole beat me to it.
  Thanks jim i see how important the census papers are,  with a little help they can fill in the gaps and bring them to life again.  thank you for your work

bill
Title: Re: David Doak and Catherine Currie
Post by: anne_p on Wednesday 22 July 15 13:20 BST (UK)
William,
I can't tell you much about the Doak family but William Davidson is also in my family tree and shares my family ancestry.
How much research have you done on the Aberdeenshire/ Banffshire families?

I have completed some detailed research into the parents and siblings of William's mother ( Mary C Thain)
I do my own research but I  also know that some of the info found on public trees ( including onre that I believe is your own) have confused siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles!
Did you realise that your own tree also shows  Mary C Thain with siblings older than her own parents?
Some are even her grandfather's siblings!
Please feel free to contact me

Anne