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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Voltaire1694 on Wednesday 22 July 15 04:57 BST (UK)
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Hello. This is a challenge!
Lisette Christiane Henriette HEYER was born on 18 March 1846 in Zellerfeld, then in the Kingdom of Hanover. Her father was Heinrich (“Henry”) Zacharius HEYER (1817-1889) and mother Lisette Christiane Henriette HEYER (nee RANK) (1817-1846). Her mother died on 27 March 1846, when Lisette was nine days old. I know this from records from Germany obtained many years ago (thank you Pauline).
Lisette and her father arrived in Port Adelaide on 2 April 1849 aboard the barque 'Auguste and Meline' (having departed Bremen on 17 December 1848). [http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/auguste&meline1849.shtml (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/auguste&meline1849.shtml)]
Henry HEYER purchased property in Upper Sturt SA in the early 1850s, after having reputedly been to the Victorian goldfields. Henry HEYER married Louisa Carolina Wilhelmina (“Johanne”) FULLGRABE (1837-1907) on 26 December 1854 in Upper Sturt.
Lisette is mentioned in newspaper reports of a court case on 21 April 1858 involving a dispute between Henry and his father-in-law, reported in the South Australian Register (22 April 1858, p2, http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49775279 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49775279)) and Adelaide Observer (24 April 1858, p4, http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158122407 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158122407)). She was twelve.
After that, the trail goes cold. Henry had fourteen children with Johanne, which I know all about (being descended from one, Charles Henry). But no sign of Lisette. Family lore has it that she left the house one day and never came back.
Have tried various searches including a fuzzy search at Genealogy SA, "Lisette" first name search in the Diggers SA databases and on Trove. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for your time.
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News report mentions daughter but not her given name. Perhaps she wasn't known as Lisette.
Any names on his headstone at the Upper Sturt Cemetery?
Did he have an obituary?
Lisette may have used any of her given names.
Cando
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Hi there,
May I add to Cando's suggestions ....
Have you considered there may be some poorly written documents that have been transcribed as MEYER instead of HEYER? I wonder if she married, if so, have you looked for her under Meyer?
Cheers, JM
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Lisette means Elizabeth as in Lizzy or Lisabeth/Lisbeth.
Neil
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One step further? MAYBE ::)
HEYER means HAY or Grass cutter as in Reaper.
Possible Marriage she is way too young if her age was 9 years born 1846.??
Groom Philip SMALLACOMB, Bride Elisabeth HAY, at Adelaide 1855 REF # 22/182
I could also be way off track 8)
Neil
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News report mentions daughter but not her given name. Perhaps she wasn't known as Lisette.
Yes, she's named as "Lisette Heyer" in both articles. I've attached the section of the Register article where her name is mentioned.
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Any names on his headstone at the Upper Sturt Cemetery?
Did he have an obituary?
NO and NO, and only short death notices.
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Have you considered there may be some poorly written documents that have been transcribed as MEYER instead of HEYER? I wonder if she married, if so, have you looked for her under Meyer?
I assumed the Genealogy SA fuzzy search would have covered but it doesn't. Running a fuzzy under MEYER there are a few options I can look further into but nothing particularly likely.
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Ok...blurry print so missed the name :-[.
If she took off then she probably changed her name....nothing on the indexes and I've done all sorts of searches. Perhaps she headed interstate.
NO and NO, and only short death notices.
I don't there is any need to post any of your answer in uppercase...indicates shouting.
Good luck with your research.
Cando
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Yes, fortunately someone has kindly transcribed some of the surnames mentioned in the cuttings, otherwise I doubt I could have spotted them, the articles have not come through the digitisation as well as other pages..... Just was well Trove allows and encourages OCR transcribing. :)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49775279 22 April 1858
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158122407 24 April 1858
Have you eliminated the following Lisette ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158933103 5 Sept 1868 Adelaide Observer
Cheers, JM
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YES, Good luck with your research.
Neil
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NO and NO, and only short death notices.
I don't there is any need to post any of your answer in uppercase...indicates shouting.
Certainly not intended! :-[
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Have you eliminated the following Lisette ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158933103 5 Sept 1868 Adelaide Observer
Thank you - my Lisette would have been 22 - perfect age for a young family. Worth pursuing further. Nothing obvious on Genealogy SA to track a Lisette FRAHM, but I'll check Diggers.
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Have you eliminated the following Lisette ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158933103 5 Sept 1868 Adelaide Observer
Thank you - my Lisette would have been 22 - perfect age for a young family. Worth pursuing further. Nothing obvious on Genealogy SA to track a Lisette FRAHM, but I'll check Diggers.
Trove is a wonderful resource. The keyword feature is outstanding.
JM
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There are two Heyer Family History books and a bio at the GenSA library.
http://saghs.softlinkhosting.com.au/liberty/libraryHome.do
The Fullgrabe book has this comment about Lisette:
"In 1852 he (Heinrich Heyer) took his daughter to Victoria and returned by boat without her."
(from 1989 correspondence from JD, granddaughter of Wilhelmine Heyer).
Could be worth poking around Vic about that time. Might there have been Heyer/Rank relatives that he may have taken her to?
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Have you eliminated the following Lisette ?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/158933103 5 Sept 1868 Adelaide Observer
Unfortunately, I suspect this is Lisette Caroline FRAHM (nee PETERS) (1816-1872) who, while a bit old in 1868 to be engaging in larceny (but not unheard of), had children alive aged 8 and 15 at the time (http://graememoad.com/Family/WC32/WC32_444.HTM (http://graememoad.com/Family/WC32/WC32_444.HTM)). Though not sure I would class 8 years as "of a tender age". Looks like I'd have to delve into the Tanunda Court records or gaol records to really count her out. Aah, if only I was in Adelaide still. :'(
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Thanks very much for all responses above. Much appreciated.
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The Fullgrabe book has this comment about Lisette:
"In 1852 he (Heinrich Heyer) took his daughter to Victoria and returned by boat without her."
(from 1989 correspondence from JD, granddaughter of Wilhelmine Heyer).
Yes, I'm aware of Pauline's book on the Fullgrabes. I have a copy. The "JD" refers to Joyce DALY, my mother (and Wilhelmine's great-granddaughter). Mum speculated to Pauline that Henry had left Lisette in Victoria because she found Henry's return from Victoria on a steamer manifest and Lisette, or a child, wasn't mentioned as a co-passenger. Unfortunately, this was in the days before Trove. He had settled in Upper Sturt by 1854 and the 1858 articles found on trove mentioned above refute the Victorian possibility (I have since informed Mum of her error :D). ps. I did look in the Victorian BDMs for Heyers, and Lisettes, but without strong leads.
There are two Heyer Family History books and a bio at the GenSA library.
http://saghs.softlinkhosting.com.au/liberty/libraryHome.do
Thanks, I wasn't aware Mervyn had done this. Will try to find elsewhere or sneak in during a visit to ADL next March. ;D
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You mentioned on another thread that you regularly go to the National Library. Perhaps they have Mervyn's bio or can get it in for you. I was looking for it today but couldn't find it and neither could the volunteers. The librarian wasn't in, so maybe next time.
I was at Upper Sturt Methodist cemetery a few months back. Quaint little place and church, on the side of a hill. Hair raising drive to get there, but.
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Just to close the loop on this one, in case someone is looking in the future, according to the "Register of all Persons Brought to the Common Gaol at Adelaide, in the Province of South Australia" (volume D, p201), Lisette FRAHM was brought to the Gaol on 4 September 1868, aged 48 years. Too old to be Lisette Christiane Henriette HEYER (1846-?), but closer in age to Lisette Caroline FRAHM (nee PETERS) (1816-1872).
And Mervyn HEYER's book kept in Genealogy SA didn't go into that level of detail.
So Lisette HEYER disappeared after 1858. Thanks again for all suggestions before.
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I thank the posters above suggesting to consider variations on the name. I believe I have found a very likely candidate. There are a lot of discussions of this Lord family, including on RC, so thought I'd post the speculation in case someone connected finds this.
A Elizabeth Ann HAYER married George LORD on 24 October 1866 in Robe SA, aged 19 years, with father Henry HAYER. So birth around 1847. On the marriage notice [https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28792569 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28792569)], Elizabeth is described as “of Brighton England”, but I couldn't find any obvious corresponding English births. Elizabeth Ann LORD died in Warracknabeal in 1895, aged 47 years, parents - “HAYER”. There appears little further information to be gained from the registration. Elizabeth's origins are quite mysterious.
Heinrich Zacharias HEYER was recorded as Henry HAYER on one of his admissions to Adelaide Hospital. The ages are close and "Lisette Christiane HEYER" and "Elizabeth Ann HAYER" are very similar.
Working against this theory is that it would have been difficult for a girl raised in a household likely speaking only German, to ten years later pass herself off as from England.
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Hi. My name is Dinah Freeman. I am able to confirm your theory about Elizabeth Ann Hayer being the missing Lisette! Recent DNA evidence links descendants of Elizabeth Ann Hayer with descendants of Heinrich Heyer and LC Fullgrabe in the range of 3rd cousins. Happy to discuss this further and would love to find out any information you have about Elizabeth’s German heritage
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I hope this is appropriate to ask. Many of the surnames of our Irish and English ancestors were changed - I always imagine and Englishman trying to write one of my Irish ancestors surnames and just not knowing how to spell it.
I came across the surname HEHIR the other day, in my own family history. I don't know if that is similar sounding to the surname you are searching for.
I have a brain injury so can't keep much info in my head. I know you said south Australia, but I can't remember where from Ireland/UK. IF your family had Clare connections, try looking at KAPUNDA in SOuth Australia - MASSIVE County Clare and Galway collection of residents. Also look at Yorke Peninsula - because HEHIR was there - the one in my family related to TOWNSELL/TROUSDELL and HARTIGAN.
Please ask if I can help you more (IF I helped).
Katherine
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The HEYERs from this line are from Zellerfeld in Lower Saxony.
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Just a wee point about the name Hehir, here in NZ I have heard my Irish descended relatives pronounce this in a similar way to Ayre/Ayr/hair almost.
ETA Some times very faint 'H' sound.
So if there is a second syllable it is not pronounced as definitely as the 'er' in Heyer/Hayer.