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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: 85jbk on Sunday 26 July 15 04:31 BST (UK)
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From A very old Newspaper Report dated 28 February 1936 in The Narromine News and Trangie Advocate, a section of it reads:
"Claimed to be 118 years of age, an old age pensioner, named Jack Wright, passed away yesterday morning at Trangie.
His Father lived at Orange where he was married twice, rearing a family by each wife. Jack Wright was his first son by his first wife, who was aboriginal and was born at Windsor."
From the death certificate of Jack Wright it suggests his father was John Wright, Labourer with Mother unknown. No further information on his father is shown.
I did take a stab in the dark and order a baptism certificate for a John Wright born 28 May 1831 and baptised 31 January 1833 in the Parish of Narrellan,County of Cumberland.Father John Wright, Cooper and Mother Sarah Wright. (This time frame fits with a death in 1936 of Jack Wright, but not really sure this is him)
I have also written to many other researchers researching The Wright Name with no apparent matches to date. Also The Orange History Group, who sent me many pages of info but none matching whom I seek .
Trying to reach out to all you gurus on where to next please??
Would like some suggestions to try to follow up both Jacks Mothers family and the second family of John Wright.
Jack Wright was born at Forbes, no date known and died 27th February 1936, Trangie, New South Wales, Australia, aged 105 years( as recorded on the death certificate)
Regards
Jill
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Hi there,
So you are seeking a baptismal record for a John WRIGHT, born in about 1831, on the Lachlan, near "Camp Hill". Forbes was not the name of the district in the 1830s. John Oxley (Surveyor General) had named it Camp Hill during one of his expeditions during the Macquarie era.
Wiki says that the first settlers moved into the district in 1834.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes,_New_South_Wales
Have you considered contacting Forbes family history group, http://home.westserv.net.au/~ffhg/
Here's a live link to the 1936 newspaper cutting.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/99601632 (mentions a daughter aged 94 living in Newcastle at that time)
Cheers, JM
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Hi JM
Thank you for your comments and shared links. Much appreciated.
I have already obtained the baptism but am not too sure this would be the correct one for my Jack, or John as it has listed.
I am trying to work further back to find further info on Jacks father and family.
Jill
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I did take a stab in the dark and order a baptism certificate for a John Wright born 28 May 1831 and baptised 31 January 1833 in the Parish of Narrellan,County of Cumberland.Father John Wright, Cooper and Mother Sarah Wright. (This time frame fits with a death in 1936 of Jack Wright, but not really sure this is him)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC8-K9N
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTHY-QHD
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT8M-3NL
and NSW BDM seems to be 1831, Vol 17, line 617. I can confirm that Volume 17 is definitely Church of England. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/volumes-1-123-1/volumes-1-123
Seems a co - incidence, (date of birth, date of ceremony, same parents etc) but the family search organisations's links I am providing seem to be PITT TOWN, which is ever so close to Windsor ....., so it may well be worthwhile chasing for the images that support those family search transcriptions. It could be that there's margin notes from the clergy that give family information.
Also, do you know siblings names for Jack Wright? Or name of the daughter at Newcastle?
http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/church/stjames_pitttown.html Look at the third marriage, could this be of interest?
Cheers, JM
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Sorry :(no known siblings of Jack. Daughter is Louisa Wright.
Thanks for those links they look like following up, not too sure how to link them to Jack though??
Jill
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A Jack WRIGHT married a Sarah HUGGINS at Cof E Pitt Town in 1827. from nsw bdm
Ref # 211/1827 V1827211 11 & 4148/1827 V18274148 3B
Neil
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Hi Thanks for the help and suggestions and possible suggestions BUT given I know next to nothing about Jack and his father John Wright how will I decide if this is my connection? Ahh feeling confused ???
Jill
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I am not suggesting these links are positively your chap, but I am suggesting that you seek out further details for that baptism for which you have the NSW BDM documentation. They would have supplied you a transcribed document. NSW BDM do not hold the original document that leads to that transcription.
The clergy often wrote notes in the margins, if so, those notes are not part of the transcription. I am suggesting you can eliminate some of your possibilities if you get back to the primary documents upon which the various transcriptions are based, simply by seeking out the margin notes. Some times these margin notes include comments that give you the occupation of the child's dad, or the name of the property, or mum's family name, or other details. That way you may be able to confirm or eliminate based on your earlier knowledge re Jack's mum's Aboriginal heritage.
As divorce did not come to NSW until 1873, you need to consider sorting out how Jack's Dad's first marriage ended ..... Did Jack's mum die and Jack's dad remarried after that, or perhaps did Jack's Mum quit the marriage, and if so perhaps the 'seven years' concept informally ended the marriage....
If you find the second marriage, then work backwards, perhaps you can learn about Jack's dad from the second marriage ..... Afterall, marriage certs give us first hand information supplied by the bride and the groom, so it is often a tad more reliable than info on a death cert.
When did Jack marry? Do you have his daughter's birth cert?
Loads more questions arise .... :)
Cheers, JM
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Firstly, confusion is good, it shows you are alert....
So, I am going to presume you know for certain that Jack, the elderly lad who died in 1936 is definitely an ancestor of yours.
Then I am going to suggest that you will need to consider spending some pennies to obtain the NSW BDM official transcriptions of BDM documents about him, and from the information on those documents THEN commence your further research. The BDM records are the foundation documents, and it is well worth while obtaining these, NOT the real deal documents, (you don't need the fancy certification) but the NSW BDM official transcriptions.... from NSW BDM approved transcribers.... http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx (scroll down to "Ask a family history transcription agent
Family history transcription agents provide full and partial transcriptions, or verification of details. A good idea if you only need the facts, and not full certified copies of certificates. For more details and fees, see below."
Any one of those three are excellent.
Cheers, JM
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I might add a further note as well.
Narellan and Pitt Town both strong commercial centres even in those days were joined by a major road!
The Northern Road!
just joining dots ::)
Neil
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It is possible that there may be some elusive blanks on perhaps a NSW marriage cert where the marriage ceremony was conducted before about 1895. Do not panic, do not let confusion overtake the research. The information is usually findable, just that NSW BDM did not get supplied with all the info the clergy recorded.
If you have some blanks on the documents, just post the info that you already have, and I will try to give you some sensible advice as to overcoming these blanks.
Yes, spot on Neil :)
Cheers, JM
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John WRIGHT & Sarah HUGGINS have been researched very well by their descendants including copies of original documents.
They are also documented in personal resources I own - Joseph WRIGHT (John's father) arrived on the First Fleet & married Eleanor GOTT who arrived on the Second Fleet.
John WRIGHT was the son of the above convicts. Sarah HUGGINS father was a also transported convict.
Sarah along with her mother & siblings followed their convict father to NSW.
It was their son John WRIGHT who was born 28 May, 1831 & baptised 31 Jan, 1833 Church of England, Pitt Town. He married Rhoda PRESLAND. John & Rhoda WRIGHT both died in 1902 & are buried at Rookwood.
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Agh, well found Merlin,
so that eliminates one possible set of parents then.
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/99601632 (mentions a daughter aged 94 living in Newcastle at that time)
Sorry :(no known siblings of Jack. Daughter is Louisa Wright.
So, this daughter Louisa was supposedly born in 1842 ??? And Jack in 1831 :-\
Can you give us the details for Louisa's birth/marriage/death please?
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May I add to Merlin's comments .... What additional info can you provide about Louisa, is there a middle name, where did she reside, her marriages, her occupation etc,
Cheers, JM
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I can find a NSW birth for a Louisa WRIGHT, with parents as James and Emma. However, it is from 1864. That lass had a middle name, likely "S" initial on the index. I searched from 1835 to 1870.
Registered Dubbo, #7963.
Cheers, JM
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NSW Electoral Roll 1870 ORANGE
All with surname Wright.
Francis, residence Canoblas
Robert, residence Canoblas
Hugh, household, Ploughman's Creek
Thomas, freehold, Orange
John senior, freehold Canoblas
John junior, residence Forest
William, residence, Forest
Thomas, residence, Kangarooby
Mark, residence, Orange,
Frederick, residence, Springfield
James, residence, Emu Swamp
Thomas, residence, Orange
ADD
NSW ER 1870 THE BOGAN (including the Police District of Dubbo)
Thomas WRIGHT, residence, Bungabedah Creek. NO others with that surname.
Cheers, JM
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I know it is possible that a marriage can be missing from indexes and even some baptisms/Births and Funerals/Deaths.
But it would be unlucky to have missed nearly all, wouldn't it. The Paper "and we all know are quite often wrong" has John snr marrying twice in ORANGE, that is if I read the paper correctly? Or is it more fanciful talk from a very old man?
Young John/Jack was born to John snr and his first wife an aboriginal, the paper has him down as 118 years young? The death Registration has him as 105? Would a Baptism be recorded for young Jack under those circumstances.
Neil
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Previous thread so we don't waste our time on research already at hand by the OP.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=467269.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=467269.0
Jill, it saves us time & some questions if you link previous threads to the current one ;)
In particular this link on that thread by Debra:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-ABORIGINE/2008-04/1207454525
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Would a Baptism be recorded for young Jack under those circumstances.
Yes, the clergy's concern is for the person being baptised, the status of the parents (married or otherwise, their ethnicity etc) was (and is) of no concern to the clergy. The NSW BDM has many instances of baptisms for persons who were Aboriginal, or Scotish, or Chinese, or Californian, or of convict parents (or any other 'discriminating label') in the Early Church Records (1787 - 1856 ish).
Cheers, JM
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Grevilles Post Office Directory 1872 - CANONBAR
WRIGHT --- Overseer, No. 17 West Bogan, Canonbar
WRIGHT John Labourer, Eenaweena, Canonbar
In 1922 it was reported that he spent most of his life on Canonbar Station:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/137157274
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NSW ER 1878 THE BOGAN, in the Cannonbar Police District
Christian and Surname : John WRIGHT,
Residence: Marianbone,
Qualification : residence, (JM notes the qualifications were property based, and the headings were: freehold, leasehold, residence, and you needed to be Male, aged 21 years and over, and a British Subject)
Where Situate, or how Arising: Gunningbar
NSW ER 1903 DARLING,
polling at Canonbar.
NONE with the surname WRIGHT.
I also checked the 1903 DARLING roll for Ennaweena, none with surname WRIGHT there either.
Canonbar electors numbered: 51
Ennaweena electors numbered: 68
NSW ER 1903 ROBERTSON,
polling at Trangie
NONE with the surname WRIGHT
NSW ER 1903 ROBERTSON
Polling at Wellington
NONE with the surname WRIGHT, but quite a few with their address as Aborigines’ camp.
??? I notice there's no mention of wife or family in the 1922 cutting that Merlin kindly posted.
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/161112700
Still no mention of a wife and/or children ....
"born on the Lachlan River, at Mickabil, near Forbes. "
"his parents dying when he was a little crawling nipper"
I am happy to be corrected, but I would have thought "Mickabil" was nearer Condoblin than Forbes.
Cheers, JM
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There was living family in Jan 1934 ;D
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49496282 Mudgee Guardian 18 Jan 1934
two lasses, three lads
lass 56 years
lass just celebrated her 89th birthday, lives Catherine Hill Bay....
lad aged 76 years
lad aged 65 living at Bourke
lad aged 68 living at Brewarrina
Cheers, JM
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1903 DARLING, polling at Nevertire
John WRIGHT, of Gunningbar, labourer.
From NSW State Library web page
http://guides.sl.nsw.gov.au/content.php?pid=367120&sid=3112777
"DID YOU KNOW?
Aboriginal people of New South Wales have been eligible to vote since 1858. Few Aboriginal people were aware of their right to vote so it's surprising how many actually appear on the earlier rolls. It's only since 1984 that all Aboriginal people have been required to enrol to vote."
Cheers, JM
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Following up on the Mickabil clue 1871 – 31 years = 1840 ish (Mr Lee of Mickabil is findable)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/113589621 Riverine Herald 15 July 1871 (Mickabil and Gorman’s Hill)
NSW State Records, Depasturing Licenses INDEX …. Sometimes recorded there as Mickabil, or Nikabill, Lachlan River, or Condooblin, but I am fairly confident these are all the same LEE family, and quite often if you get to the original records (no copy service offered at present on these Licences) you will find mention of the numbers of people employed on these sheep stations, and sometimes they are named.
The LEE licences date from 17 April 1838 to 30 September 1845.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-land-records/index-to-depasturing-licences-1837-46-1851 I acknowledge this fine index was compiled by Mrs Janice Brooks and the late Mrs Valerie Moses. The index is published on State Records' website with the permission of Mrs Brooks, who also retains the copyright. State Records wishes to acknowledge the contribution of Mrs Brooks and Mrs Moses in compiling this index.
So, you will need to attend the Kingswood Archives office and perhaps spend a number of days to determine if Jack Wright may have been born/raised/married in that district in the 1830s and/or 1840s.
I am not surprised by the comment about prefering possum to beef, afterall, Mickabil was sheep ;D so, beef was ummm.... often excluded simply because it was not lamb....... (a bit like some western NSW families and Holden v Ford; so perhaps a dry sense of humour gives us .... possum v beef)
GREVILLES Post Office Directory 1875
CONDOBLIN,
Wagga Police District, Murrumbidgee Electoral District, Cunningham County.
McGREGOR and Co, squatters, Mickabil
Brian McNAMARA, squatter, Mickabil
Edward WRIGHT, farmer.
Cheers, JM
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::) I seem to be posting for my own benefit only.... Umm.... well at least I have confirmed where Mickabil's located, and I have re-visited some of my old research from the 1960s, re Gorman Hill, and of course, it is still in the same location as back then.... :P
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/lee-william-2346 Some information about a clash in 1842....
Also the following NSW SR index, noticing there's a William Henry WRIGHT in the Wellington district on a journey in 1843, and again 1844-46;
also in the same index but for 1839 there's a Half yearly return of population and livestock in the Lachlan district from 1 Jan 1840. ;D
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-land-records/squatters-and-graziers
JM
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Re John (jack) wright d 27 feb 1936 died in trangie born in forbes? Stockman
mary ann potter wife
Daughter louisa wright died 16 jan 1938
Daughter janet lavonia or leveni wright of bourke died 16 jan 1969
Johannah's sister Mary Ann Potter married John [Jack] Wright, they also lived Nyngan area and then Brewarrina and I think lived on the mission at Brewarrina, they had many children and John lived to be about 116 years old. They had a daughter that I know of Janet who married Robert McHughes at Nyngan in 1902.
Irene maude wright b 5 feb 1910 ?died cobar does that link with your family
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Hi there,
Welcome to Rootschat.
I am not a family member, just a regular who looks up my own resources to help. I am not sure if I am reading your post correctly, but re Louisa WRIGHT who died 16 Jan 1938, can you explain what you mean when you wrote "nordswharf95 or 76 of nyngan" ..... I am guessing you mean she died at Nords Wharf aged either 95 years or 76 years, and that she was originally from Nyngan.... but I am not sure.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you, I apolgise for not putting exact details. That is very important.
can I edit and put Louise Wright died 16 Jan 1938, on death certificate 95 years .
I will add correct place when I am back home. thank you
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Yes, you use the modify button :) you have 24 hours to modify and then after that it will need a moderator's consideration.
Cheers, JM
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Interested in your post as I am descended from a Wright in the same area though I can not add any additional information to what you know, except this family I think features in Tindale Genealogy Reports.
I am searching the family of Frederick James Wright or James Wright 1818-1875.
He would marry at Ballandean NSW in 1848, this area is now in Queensland after the state formation.
He was born on country - Wiradjuri lands , has no known mother or father , no birth record and is believed to be of Aboriginal descent with a white father. Frederick/James would die after a tree fell on him while collecting honey, he was shepherding at Nanima Eugowra, autopsy register exists, but no death certificate or grave.
I have wondered if these two lines are somehow connected.
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James Wright born 1818 in London came to Australia as a convict on "Emma Eugenia" in 1838.
He wed widow Hannah Norton in 1848. They worked as shepherds at Maryland property. They had a very large family which including at least 3 sets of twins.
James died at Eugowra in 1875 when a tree fell on him.