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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Raido on Sunday 26 July 15 06:07 BST (UK)
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Any leads you can give me would be most helpful. Thanks
Edward is witness to the marriage of his son Henry (born 1820, Amlwch) and daughter in law Elinor Jones. in 1841, just before the 1841 census was taken. He is listed as a huntsman and lives at address Gadfa.
I cannot find Henry's baptism record anywhere but his father in law is Owen Jones (born 1776 Anglesey, occupation miner) and Henry lives at his address, tyn y mynydd, Amlwch, in 1841. The name has been transcribed as Henry Pary.
Henry lives at Ty Isa, Llaneilian in 1851 and later at an address Gadfa, Llaneilian, in 1861, so I assume this is the same address as Edward's above. The address seems to contain many different households including, in 1861, the Jones family above but without Owen Jones who died sometime between the 1851-61 censuses as Owen Jones is living at an address Maendrew, Llaneilian, in 1851.
Throughout his life Henry works on the copper mines and is an Engine Driver. His father in law Owen is a miner although I think may have been a smelter.
Henry lives at Pensarn, Castle Square, Llaneilian, in 1881 as an engine driver and retires there in 1891. Another address of note is Tyn Lon, Llandyfrydog where his son Hugh Parry (born 1854) later lives.
The best I can find for Edward is the following record but cannot prove it's him.
Edward Parry
mentioned in the record of Edward Parry and Elizabeth Roberts
Name: Edward Parry
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Roberts
Event Date: 08 Nov 1814
Event Place: Llaneilian,Anglesey,Wales
Lastly there is a Hugh Parry living at address pensarn in the 1801 Amlwch census but I think the address name is quite common.
Hugh Parry Pensarn Miner 1801 census
http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/databases/amlwchallminers.htm
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It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:
Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).
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It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:
Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).
Many thanks. Seems I'd overlooked him as he shows up in 1851 census at Glanys Afon, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales.
His son Richard then appears at the Gadfa address near to Henry Parry in 1861 but no sign of Edward. That Gadfa address contains a ridiculous number of people, so I assume it's in reference to the village.
Interestingly Edward's place of birth on the 1851 census is originally listed as Llandyfrydog but then crossed out.
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Edward Parry marries a Grace Thomas in 1812 in Llandyfrydog or Llaneliian in the preference of Ellen Jones and Mary Hughes. Two Anglesey marriage records, both the same.
This is the only record that seems to match up to an Edward Parry marrying a Grace in that area.
Can't find Henry's baptism record anywhere so maybe I've jumped the gun with the 1851 census record above.
edit: I cannot make out the addresses on the 1812 record above but it looks similar to the place of birth given on the 1851 census record. It looks like 'min' is written after the placename for Edward which I assume must be short hand for miner.
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There is an 1841 will at NLW for John Hughes of Gadfa,Llaneilian in which,among others,he nominates Mary Hughes and Ellin Jones,both his daughters I think.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks.
That whole document is available online on their website but unfortunately I don't have flash installed (I'm on kubuntu) so can't view it. Will get round to dual booting windows again when I get round to it in a few days.
I note that John Hughes was a farmer, incidentally, Edward's great grandson Henry Parry (born Penygraigwen, Anglesey 29th July 1883) my gg grand father (bardic name dyfrydog) won a prize for an essay about The Food And Sleeping Places Of Anglesey Farm Labourers at the Anglesey Eisteddfod, during the Tuesday proceedings in 1914. I'd love to get hold of it and will contact the Eisteddfod although there was no national Eisteddfod in 1914 because of the break out of the war. The document shows him as working for the 'Welsh Memorial Office' which makes me wonder if there may be some records of interest in relation to that place too.
http://cymru1914.org/en/view/newspaper/4242538/5
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Out of interest,in case you haven't seen it-there is a newspaper snippet of Sept 1861,which,though I am not a Welsh speaker,I think reports Henry as breaking his arm,working at Parys Mountain.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fry/
Regards
Roger
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Out of interest,in case you haven't seen it-there is a newspaper snippet of Sept 1861,which,though I am not a Welsh speaker,I think reports Henry as breaking his arm,working at Parys Mountain.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fry/
Regards
Roger
Ah many thanks for that!
Just searching through ancestry family trees, have to be brief as I'm in the library, and it seems the Edward Parry above is in a lot of them.
Apparently he lives in the Llanwenllwyfo parish in 1841 with a William Williams and Lewis Parry but all the family trees say he died in 1867 according to the BMD records although a bit flakey to rely on unless obviously you pay for the death certificate.
It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:
Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).
I couldn't find this record anywhere, are you sure that's the right date?
Anyway if so, looks like the Edward Parry and Grace Thomas are presumably not the parents of Henry. That said there's a couple of people with the name Lewis living near Edward in the 1841 record which might be suggestive of the link back to the Gadfa hamlet and the John Hughes will but would be a tenuous association but maybe worth investigating.
Lastly, according to those trees (which I know are often full of mistakes) the father of this Edward Parry a W Parry (sounds very general indeed) joined the Loyal Parys Mountain Volunteers in 1797 to take part in the Napoleonic Wars. I assume this is the William Pary in the second company in the following list. Too many assumptions for my liking. I'd contact the person who made the family tree (Owner: lesleysross59) but as it's the library edition I have no way of contacting them to verify the information in the tree.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Amlwch/LPMV.html
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Moreover the 1871 census record for Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch) at address Dyffryn Coch shows a Thomas family of farmers living next door which again although tenuous, may hint at a connection and worth investigating by someone in the future maybe if they can link the family back to Grace Thomas above and if they have time.
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It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:
Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).
I couldn't find this record anywhere, are you sure that's the right date?
The information comes from an index of Anglesey Death registrations so, provided there were no transcription errors, the same information appears on the death certificate. FreeBMD has this death - Mar 1862 Anglesey 11b 453.
The Edward Parry who died 1867 (was it FreeBMD Mar 1867 Anglesey 11b 457, age 82?) died 30 Jan 1867 at Llanbadrig and was a retired farmer. The informant was Ellen Pritchard (no relationship given and no address).
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It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:
Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).
I couldn't find this record anywhere, are you sure that's the right date?
The information comes from an index of Anglesey Death registrations so, provided there were no transcription errors, the same information appears on the death certificate. FreeBMD has this death - Mar 1862 Anglesey 11b 453.
The Edward Parry who died 1867 (was it FreeBMD Mar 1867 Anglesey 11b 457, age 82?) died 30 Jan 1867 at Llanbadrig and was a retired farmer. The informant was Ellen Pritchard (no relationship given and no address).
Thanks. I'm very limited regards internet and records at the moment so apologies.
I'm increasingly convinced that the Edward and Grace Parry at Glanyrafon in the 1851 census are the wrong people.
I stumbled upon the following post on amlwch data which rather confusingly seems to show another Edward and Grace Parry couple living at the farm nearby Trwysglwyn Isaf , Amlwch in 1851.
,"Might I ask for a search of the 1861 census to check out the following two PARRY family groups?
I can see from your web pages that the surname is common in Amlwch and I am not confident in tracing this genealogy. I have included here what I think are their records from other censuses but I find I get somewhat confused by the dwelling names (and I have tried both your web pages and ""walking"" the census images on Ancestry etc. but my knowledge of Amlwch geography is non-existent).
Here they are in 1841:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Owen 50 Agricultural Labourer
PARRY, Grace 50
PARRY, Richard 15 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 14 Copper Miner
PARRY Catherine 4
PARRY Edward 3
Here they are in 1851:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Edward 66 Copper Miner
PARRY, Grace 68 Wife
PARRY, Richard 24 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 22 Copper Miner
(Who, then, is Owen? - where was husband Edward in 1841?) I have what I think is William and Grace's marriage extract from IGI.2.
Here they are in 1841:
Tyn y cae, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY William 1816 (25) Agricultural Labourer
PARRY Elizabeth 1821 (20)
Plus others (4 named JONES and 11 named ROBERTS)
William (I believe) was son of Edward and Grace.
Here they are in 1851?: (not sure if Tyn y cae and Ty ar y Cae are same location!)
Ty ar y Cae, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, William 37 Llaneilian, Anglesey Copper Miner
PARRY, Elizabeth 37 Amlwch, Anglesey Wife
PARRY, Edward 9 Amlwch, Anglesey
PARRY, Ellen 7 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, William 5 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, James 3 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, Mary 6m Amlwch, Anglesey
William died in 1864. The address inscribed on his headstone read ""Ty Ar y Cae, Gadfa"". Could this be family in 1871? (not sure if Tyn y cae, Ty ar y Cae and Ty ar Cae are same location!) (although the age is wrong, there appear to be no other likely widows!)
Ty ar Cae, Amlwch Anglesey, Wales
Elizabeth PARRY 51 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Widow Head Amlwch Anglesey
James PARRY 23 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
John PARRY 16 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
Richard PARRY 14 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
Henry PARRY 12 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Scholar Amlwch Anglesey
Hugh PARRY 10 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Scholar Amlwch Anglesey
The reported age for Elizabeth is, maybe, erroneous.
The widow Elizabeth PARRY appears (as Elisabeth?) in the 1881 census living at ""Part Of Trwsglwyn"" and (possibly, as Elizabeth MORRIS?) in 1891 at Ty r Cae (IS THIS the same location identified above??)(but it is my understanding that she did not remarry and is buried in 1893 with husband William PARRY so I guess I have lost the thread somewhere.
I am hoping that data from 1861 might help clarify just what is going on.
Thanks in anticipation for any help you are able to provide.",John Haram
174,101,Parry," I have searched amlwch 1861 for Elizabeth Parry ,but have been unable to
find anyone listed at ,Trwysglwyn Isaf, or Tyn y cae.
There are 3 or 4 families with a William and Elizabeth but either the ages
are incorrect or William is listed as a sailor.
I can help however with the location of Trwysglwyn Isaf, which still exists
as a farm just to the south of Parys Mountain.
At various times it was associated with the copper or sulphuric acid works
on the mountain. ( www.copperkingdom.co.uk)
It seems to have been a large farm and so it is possible that more than one
family group where living in the property at any one time.
Both Tyn y cae and Ty ar y Cae translate as house in / on the field. the
village is Gadfa which again is to the south of the mountain a couple of
miles from Amlwch.
Moreover there's an 1814 baptism record for the William Parry above that has Edward and Grace as parents who I assume then may be Henry's brother. Whilst the Owen Parry in the 1841 census might be Edward's brother.
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Lastly, there is a big Hughes family living at fawr rather than isaf in 1841 which may relatesto the will of John Hughes. Sorrry I'm unable to read it at the moment to check but appears this is in Rhos-y-bol not Gadfa so perhaps not. I don't understand Welsh but I assume this just means different bits of the same farm. Henry Parry always gives his birth place on census records as Amlwch. If he had ben born at Gadfa he would have put LlaneilianI think.
William Hughes 1786 Trwysglwyn fawr Farmer Amlwch 1499
Jane Hughes 1801 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1500
Mary Hughes 1826 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1501
Margaret Hughes 1826 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1502
William Hughes 1829 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1503
John Hughes 1831 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1504
Hugh Hughes 1833 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1505
Evan Hughes 1835 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1506
Edward Hughes 1838 Trwysglwyn fawr Amlwch 1507
Elin Thompson 1821 Trwysglwyn fawr Female servant Amlwch 1508
Margaret Hughes 1821 Trwysglwyn fawr Female servant Amlwch 1509
John Williams 1791 Trwysglwyn fawr Mariner Amlwch 1510
Richard Humphrey 1816 Trwysglwyn fawr Agricultural Labourer Amlwch 1511
Owen Jones 1826 Trwysglwyn fawr Agricultural Labourer Amlwch 1512
William Roberts 1826 Trwysglwyn fawr Agricultural Labourer Amlwch 1513
Thomas Jones 1826 Trwysglwyn fawr Agricultural Labourer Amlwch 1514
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I stumbled upon the following post on amlwch data which rather confusingly seems to show another Edward and Grace Parry couple living at the farm nearby Trwysglwyn Isaf , Amlwch in 1851.
,"Might …
…Here they are in 1841:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Owen 50 Agricultural Labourer
PARRY, Grace 50
PARRY, Richard 15 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 14 Copper Miner
PARRY Catherine 4
PARRY Edward 3
Here they are in 1851:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Edward 66 Copper Miner
PARRY, Grace 68 Wife
PARRY, Richard 24 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 22 Copper Miner
The census information quoted seems wrong:
In 1841 at Trysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch are Robert Roberts 30, Martha 40, Thomas 14, William 11 and some younger children (HO107/1362,1/48/page2) while in 1851 at the same address are John Jones 36, Cathrine 39 and six children (HO107/2521/359/page6).
The names and ages for the Parry families above are (almost) correct for the Edward & Grace Parry families at Trosyrafon, Amlwch in 1841 (HO107/1362,1/49/page3) and at Glanyrafon, Amlwch in 1851 (HO107/2521/358/page4) except that, in 1841, Edward Parry aged 3 is absent and Edward Parry is head of the family, not Owen.
The marriage of William Parry and Elizabeth Morris links William to this Edward & Grace Parry. The details are - 9 Mar 1840 at Llandyfrydog parish church, William Parry full age, bachelor, labourer of Trosyrafon, Amlwch son of Edward Parry, miner married Elizabeth Morris full age, spinster of Llyncoch, dau of Owen Morris, smith. But I haven't established that Henry Parry is his brother.
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Thanks.
The error seems to originate from here - http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/censuslist.htm
Finally have a proper internet connection again and a new findmypast sub so will get onto it soon. :)
edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?
Cheers
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edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?
It looks like Llaneilian to me - with Llandyfrydog crossed out.
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edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?
It looks like Llaneilian to me - with Llandyfrydog crossed out.
Thanks. It's proving impossible to prove for sure that this Edward is Henry's father. I believe I have found one of the witnesses to Henry's wedding, a Griffith Roberts.
This Griffith Roberts, born Tynymynys, Amlwch, Anglesey, 1823 to Thomas Roberts and Gwen Thomas lives at Tynymynys with his father Thomas in 1841, very close to Edward and Grace Parry (two pages ahead).
Griffith marries Elizabeth Owen (who's father is transcribed as John Owen) in 1847. Sadly the document is heavily blotted, it's very difficult to read.
From 1851 to 1881 he is recorded as living at Corwas, Llaneilian. Initially Griffith works on the mines as an Engine Driver, just like Henry. He's a farmer in 1881 and dies before the 1891 census. His wife continues to live at Corwas and dies sometime between the 1901 and 1911 census presumably.
Note that in the 1871 and 1891 censuses, Corwas is listed beside Glanyrafon.
Griffith's father Thomas marries Gwen Thomas at Llandyfrydog, Anglesey, Wales in 1808. Witnesses are William Thomas and Samuel Roose.
I'm yet to check the baptism records of all the children but on the balance of probabilities I think Griffith is Henry's cousin on the side of their mothers, Gwen and Grace Thomas.
The smoking gun would be to match the baptism records of Gwen and Grace above. However I can only find Grace's baptism record which is think is 1791, daughter of Wm Thomas and Ellin.
Interestingly, Griffith's father in law John Owen (who lives at Corwas in 1841,51) ends up at pengraigwen, Llandyfrydog in 1861.
I think this is suggestive that Henry is Griffith's cousin. My mother recorded Henry's grandson Henry Parry as born at pengraigwen, 1883. I think she may have the birth certificate. Will get onto her. This pengraigwen is next door to Tyn y Lon which I think is the Tyn Lon where Henry lived.
Thought the following may help to illustrate this. This is Henry's (the one born 1883) son Hugh with Ellen Parry his grandmother and Lily Elizabeth Parry (nee George) his mother in 1926.
(http://s22.postimg.org/kjpdm62e9/digitalizar0002.jpg)
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As given on the 1841 marriage record of Henry Parry and Elinor Jones, the address of Elinor's father, Owen Jones, is Tyn y Mynydd.
Thomas Roberts also lives there in 1841. Thomas and Gwen Roberts, a Richard and Catherine Owen and a William and Mary Jones in 1851.
It is the address of the Owen Jones family along with Henry Pary in 1841. It is later the address of Thomas and Gwen's son Samuel Tudor Roberts (abt 1829 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales,) in later censuses. Gwen is at Brimstone Yard in 1871.
What are we to make of all this? It doesn't seem to prove anything conclusively but is nonetheless interesting.
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nevermind. :)
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Hi, please could you contact me, as Ellen Parry in the Tyn Lon photo is my gg grandmother. We maybe able to help each other with the Parry research. Thanks
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Hey Amlgal
Good to meet you! :) I've sent you a pm but apologies as I got one of the emails wrong and can't send another message to you as your inbox is full. :(
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Hi, I have sent you an email as I can't send another private message on here :-\
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new members can not receive PM's until they have had made at least 2 post ;) should be ok now.