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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: tillytrotter2 on Sunday 26 July 15 11:54 BST (UK)
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Hi there
With the help of this forum I have managed to trace one side of my family thank you so much :). Now I am back again after several years of trying to trace my maternal side I am trying to clarify if my Grandfather Walter Henry Jones born 1884 (I have death cert and marriage cert) if his mother is Maria Jones formerly Fox born in Australia or have I gone off track somewhere????? Your help would be much appreciated thank you
Pamela :)
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Welcome back, where was Walter born?
Jennifer
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From a previous posting done in March 2014.
Walter Henry born Leicester 1884 died 1956 married Nellie Agnes Moss in Leicester
Carol
Is this the right family in 1901 in Leicester? Mum born Australia ;D
John Jones 38
Maria Jones 37
Walter Jones 17
Louie Jones 14
Florrie Jones 12
John Jones 11
Arthur Jones 9
William Jones 7
Leonard Jones 1
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The 1901 census in Leicester gives POB Australia.
Jennifer
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Her parents might have gone out there mining and then returned, people were much more mobile than we give them credit for.
Jennifer
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1891 gives Melbourne Australia British subject. Under Jone.
Jennifer
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I have ancestors who married in London in 1857,by 1858 they were in Sydney.
Mum and the 2 girls came back,and the girls stayed here with grandma.
Mum died in Sydney in 1866. They weren't rich people by any means.
So it's perfectly possible for her to have been born out there.
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Possible marriage?
Marriages Dec 1883
Fox Maria Leicester 7a 439
JONES John Leicester 7a 439
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Looks like she is with her mother and siblings in Leicester in 1881 mother Hannah Norton born Norwich Norfolk, could be second marriage.
Jennifer
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Maria and two of her siblings were born in Australia (all surname Fox); a younger brother (surname Norton) was b Leicester.
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Another point to consider when faced with conundrums like this is to consider the occupations of the fathers.
While looking at Martindale Hall ( Picnic at Hanging Rock Fame) in Clare/Mintaro SA I read that over 60 of the builders were brought out from England to do the work and most returned once the job was done.
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A Hannah Norton of Lee St died 1888; her age doesn't match the 1881 census, but actually if the 1881 age was correct, Hannah would have been only 15 when the eldest of her listed children was born, so it might not be accurate.
This is the plot in Welford Rd in which this Hannah Norton is buried, I don't know if the names of the other people also there might give any clues:
Welford Rd, plot uQ 1038
WARD MATILDA 1868 FEB 10 age 5MTHS GLADSTONE STREET SAINT GEORGE
WARD HARRY 1869 AUG 14 age 9WKS SYSTON STREET SAINT MARGARET
NORTON HANNAH 1887 JUN 28 age 49 LEE STREET SAINT MARGARET
DEACON REBECCA 1897 JUN 29 age 76 THE WORKHOUSE LEICESTER
WITHERS PRISCILLA 1928 JUN 14 age 47 45 AYLESTONE STREET LEICESTER
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1881 census 5 Lee Street
Hannah Norton 34 Mar.Nurse Norwich
Maria Fox da 18 Stay maker Australia
Frederick son 16 " " "
Hannah 14 dau " " "
Joseph Norton son 9 Leicester
Jennifer
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Marriage Sept qtr 1871 Norwich Hannah Fox & Joseph Norton.
Jennifer
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Marriage 4/7/1871 Norwich father's name given on Family Search as William Louis?
Was Louis her maiden name or perhaps Lewis or did they not give her fathers full name on the index?
Jennifer
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This should help, marriage at St Margaret
Entry No.355, DEC 25, 1883, after Banns
JOHN JONES, 24, bach. TRIMMER, of 14, BURLEYS LANE, s. of CHARLES JONES, PORTER
MARIA FOX, 21, sp. of 5, LEE St, d. of HENRY FOX (DEC'D), FARMER
Wits: WILLIAM FOX, ANNIE FOX
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Perhaps its possible someone can find a birth of a Maria Fox c.1862 Melbourne Australia parents Henry & Hannah Fox.
Jennifer
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You could try this newspaper site...I've found lots of stuff on some of my ancestors using this site.....Maybe there was a birth family notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
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Thanks everyone for your prompt replies. I have tried the Australian newspapers there is a lot to get through but will keep looking :) As far as I know Walter was born in Leicester. It looks like Hannah was married to Henry Fox (farmer) I assume he died out n Australia and Hannah returned to England with the children remarried Mr Norton but in the 1881 census she is on her own with the children has her second husband died?
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Just searching around Leicester, some baptisms for you
St Paul
JONES ALBERT 1903 JOHN & MARIA 23-Oct
JONES ANNIE ETHEL 1898 JOHN & MARIA 24-Feb
JONES ARTHUR 1898 JOHN & MARIA 24-Feb
JONES WILLIAM 1898 JOHN & MARIA 24-Feb
JONES WILLIAM 1903 JOHN & MARIA 23-Oct
So looking at Annie, at Welford Road....census address 1901
CO 1774
JONES ANNIE ETHEL 1900 OCT 6 15 32 VAUGHAN STREET LEICESTER
JONES JOHN 1922 JAN 17 58 NORTH EVINGTON INFIRMARY LEICESTER
JONES MARIA 1931 MAR 18 66 C.G.H. / 17 MINEHEAD STREET LEICESTER
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Perhaps its possible someone can find a birth of a Maria Fox c.1862 Melbourne Australia parents Henry & Hannah Fox.
Jennifer
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home
It costs 99 cents.
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Was late when I looked forgotten my previous postings, other thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=680318.0
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Perhaps its possible someone can find a birth of a Maria Fox c.1862 Melbourne Australia parents Henry & Hannah Fox.
Jennifer
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home
It costs 99 cents.
So you already have that info(and more) from 2014 ;D
The names Hannah and Ann (ie) are interchangeable of course.
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Taking into account the information you already have from your previous thread, this is probably the marriage of Hannah in NSW where all related events appear to have taken place,
1924/1859 FOX Henry
To LOADS Hannah
At GOULBURN
There is a mistranscription somewhere along the line where LOUIS and LOADS have been confused.
This is probably the death of Hannah's husband
4226/1866 FOX Henry
Father Henry
DIED GOULBURN
GOULBURN
Sue
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BDM NSW births
7100 / 1860 FOX Jane Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
7647 / 1861 FOX Caroline M Goulburn (M possibly Maria?)
parents Henry / Hannah
7551 / 1863 FOX Henry Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
9181 / 1867 FOX Hannah P Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
deaths
2916 / 1861 FOX Jane Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
2962 / 1861 FOX Jane Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
5124 / 1867 FOX Henry Goulburn
parents Henry / Hannah
4226 / 1866 FOX Henry died Goulburn Goulburn
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Hi Wivenhoe,
A lot of information is on the previous thread just linked by the OP above.
I suggest you look at it before extending yourself to further searching ;D
Sue