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Title: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Sunday 26 July 15 18:35 BST (UK)
Jean Johnston   64
Mary Keightley   28
Jane Keightley   10

Mary's mother was Jane Johnston before she married so is Jean OK?
Jane Keightley is probably the daughter of David Keightley (Mary's brother) & Sarah Hunter.
If I could David & Sarah  in Half Morton or KP Fleming without a Jane then that would be a big step.

Any help to get a link to David & Sarah appreciated thanks
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Sunday 26 July 15 19:49 BST (UK)
David and Sarah are in Chapelknowe, Halfmorton parish at the 1841 census, Bramhallbill. They have 5 children, and are:

David, 35, a cotton HLW
Sarah, 35
George, 12, a cotton HLW
Jannet, 11
Jean, 9
James, 8
Helen, 4

If you look at all the Keightleys in Dumfriesshire at the 1841 census, you'll see that Jane, aged 10, is at Williamsfield with:

Jean Johnston, 65
Mary, 28

Interestingly, there is also Elizabeth Kightley, aged 2, with a family called David and Jean Johnston who are living at Sarkside in Kirkpatrick Fleming. Elizabeth's last name is so similar to Keightley that you may find a connection.

Ian
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Sunday 26 July 15 21:05 BST (UK)
David Hightley   35
Sarah Hightley   35
George Hightley   12
Jannet Hightley   11
Jean Hightley   9
James Hightley   8
Helen Hightley   4 Is on Ancestry.....Grr

David died soon after...I think he was worn out
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Sunday 26 July 15 21:31 BST (UK)
I've seen the image and it's a transcription error - definitely Keightley. It's Sarah who should have been worn out after 5 kids in eight years! May be worth tracking the family through the censuses.

Ian
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Sunday 26 July 15 23:40 BST (UK)
Thanks Ian
Looking ahead there is a Jane Keightley that marries Edward Mundle 24 Mar 1860 in Half Morton (23rd IGI)
She is living in Corkaill. Her father is given as David Keightley ???? Deceased & Mother  Sarah Keightley alias ???? cant read that  grrr

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5928245/person/6062542055/mediax/7cfbe284-a25d-4d54-a348-b7cd0634ec59?oid=7cfbe284-a25d-4d54-a348-b7cd0634ec59&otid=11945448&opid=27124399336&msgparams=46437671422&pg=32782&pgpl=pid
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Monday 27 July 15 12:54 BST (UK)
Sarah's maiden name was Hunter. She died at Dumfries in 1874 aged 73.

Ian
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Monday 27 July 15 13:32 BST (UK)
THanks Ian
To back up I can' read what Job David had & Sarah Keightley's alias is difficult
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/24552309/person/12587342218/media/1?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7cpgNum

I think there were 2 David Keightley  s
1 b 14 Aug 1805 m Jane Johnstone
2 b 16 Sept 1805 m Jean Johnston
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Monday 27 July 15 14:34 BST (UK)
The marriage cert states that David was a weaver. This tallies with his occupation at the time of the 1841 census where he's shown as a cotton HLW (hand-loom weaver). This may have been a self-employed job done at home as I can't think of any nearby cotton mills.

Sarah's maiden name on the cert is definitely Hunter, though it's not easy to decipher. This is confirmed on her death cert.

I think there really is only one David Keightley, Bramhallbill. I don't know your sources for the two dates but Ancestry says that David Keatly was born to George Keatly and Jean Johnston and baptised at Kirkpatrick Fleming on 16 Sep 1805, which suggests that the earlier date (14 Aug 1805) is the date when he was born.

I have found so often that the names 'Jean' and 'Jane' are used interchangeably by different clerks to mean the same person. And the spelling of Johnston is often inconsistent too - with and without a 't' or an 'e'. Confusing, I know, but then one of the surnames in my ancestry is spelt eight different ways! Our ancestors had absolutely no thought for us family historians following behind  :D

Ian
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Monday 27 July 15 18:47 BST (UK)
I do see Janes & Jeans living together

on

marriage of jane keightley and edward
can you decipher again please?
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/24552309/person/12587342218/media/1?pgnum=1&pg=0&pgpl=pid%7cpgNum
looks like weaver & Hunter

1841
David Hightley   35
Sarah Hightley   35
George Hightley   12
Jannet Hightley   11
Jean Hightley   9
James Hightley   8
Helen Hightley   4
Chapelknowe

williams field
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&dbid=1004&h=1020861
Jane Keightley 10
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Tuesday 28 July 15 13:57 BST (UK)
Yes, I agree that Jeans and Janes are different names. But when clerks were hearing people pronounce a name it was easy to get it wrong when writing it down, especially if people weren't able to correct them because they  couldn't read or write.

I agree that David as a weaver and Sarah's maiden name was Hunter - see my post above. Is that what you meant?
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Tuesday 28 July 15 17:32 BST (UK)
David will have a Jean & Jane 1 yr apart but having 1 child loaned out was common
The checking for David & Sarah would have been on their daughter's mar to a Mundel....very hard to read
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Tuesday 28 July 15 17:41 BST (UK)
OK. I agree that the details on Jane K's marriage to Edward Mundle are not easy to read. But I'm sure David was a weaver and his wife, Sarah, had the surname Hunter.

Ian
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: bramhallbill on Tuesday 28 July 15 20:09 BST (UK)
Thing is Scots People got these from Salt Lake City on micro film & some copies are very very werry ard to desiffer...If u c what eye mean
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Midlad on Wednesday 29 July 15 12:03 BST (UK)


Hi bramhallbill,
                       I am sure when I say that all Scottish BMD census  etc. are held in NRH or GROS as it is otherwise known and that Salt Lake City acquired them from here.
                       If I am wrong I hope some kind person will correct me.

midlad
Title: Re: Mary Keightley 1841 "Williamsfield" KP Fleming.
Post by: Iandj on Wednesday 29 July 15 16:01 BST (UK)
Midlad is right. NRH hold the originals of the statutory BMD records, censuses and parish registers, plus many other public records and documents http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/FAQs/Questions/index.aspx?370

The LDS records are more limited - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/FAQs/Questions/index.aspx?90

Ian