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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: tammiegirl on Tuesday 28 July 15 13:46 BST (UK)
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My husbands great grandparents were John & Martha thompson nee millar lived in Ballymena . I have information that they were buried in Ballyclug Cemertry ,Matha died in 1909and lived in James St and John died in 1932 and lived in. Water St Ballymena, I have checked the online Ballyclug records but cannot find them, I do know Their daughter Jane ( jennie )Robinson was buried there after and also her daughter Cassie Nelson,but it would be nice to know John & Martha were there . Would be glad of any information ?
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Do you mean this website?
http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
"Headstone inscriptions have been collected from across 42 historic graveyards in the Borough of Ballymena. 41 of the 42 graveyards have been transferred onto a database, which can be searched below."
These are transcriptions of headstone, not burial records.
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Yes,I did mean that one.thankyou for your reply
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I have found a marriage cert for a John Thompson & Martha Miller married in magerafelt in 1863. There were 6 children all baptised in Cookstown ,but there were 3children as well not baptised. I have found John in the 1911census with family so I know it is him on it he say,a he was born in antrim. In the census they were in shankill. But later lived for years in James St & water St ballymena .i wonder if I have 2john thompsons and the cookstown one is wrong can anyone help.
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Is this 'your' John Thompson?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Finley_Street/171906
If so, is this his daughter Jane in 1901 and is Catherine John's wife?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Aughancloy_Urban_Aughancloy_Town_in_17_files/Mill_Street/1724175
Note: you said earlier Martha Thompson died 1909 but I can't locate her in 1901 census.
1863 Marriage (Tamlaght O'Crilly, not Magherafelt) for John Thompson & Martha Miller-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNR-54V
Margaret (1864 Bellaghy) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRQT-RD7
James (1866 Cookstown) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR47-Z7L
Agnes (1868 Coikstown) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5VH-4YB
Eliza (1870 Cookstown) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYX-7GS
John (1872 Cookstown) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH3-JF2
Martha (1873 Co.Tyrone) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGC8-2G4
Note: the 6 records above are extracted birth registrations not baptisms
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The 1911census is correct as John had been looking after sammy cully since he was three. The 1901 census could be correct as on his son james ,s marriage cert it said his father was a wire worker. Jane would be correct, but I don't know who Catherine is .his wife was martha miller. I was told she was born in waring St ballymena in 1847 and died in James. St ballymena in 1909and that they were both burried in ballyclug cemertry. The children are the ones I have got on St Lorians records for eliza 1870baptised it says John was a Carter and they lived in gortalowery but for Jane and 2 other daughters I have no record . Thankyou for you help
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"St Lorians records"
Do you mean St. Luran's Church of Ireland (Cookstown)?
"son james ,s marriage cert it said his father was a wire worker."
When did James marry? since John Thompson's occupation changed it's important to know if the marriage refenrence (wire worker) is around the time of the 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Aughancloy_Urban_Aughancloy_Town_in_17_files/Mill_Street/1724175
This Catherine Thompson was born in Co. Louth which doesn't fit with what you seem to have been told about Martha Millar.
I did find a John Thompson, carter, with wife Martha in Ballymena in 1901 but the details don't match any of the Cookstown area family.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballymena_and_Town_and_Urban_District_of_Ballymena/Queen_Street/927166
I did find a Martha Thompson death 1909 in Ballymena registration district- age 70 so born c1839
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRFY-3PN
However, I have to say that none of the details you've posted so far and what I have found so far is very clear. I suispect you might be treating family stories as facts then trying to make records fit but you really need to start with records and go through everything step-by-step.
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Yes,I did mean St luran,s. James who is my husbands grandfather and we know his details are right. He married a Fanny Jane Carson in 1882 and John proffesion say,s LAbourer, he was married in Ballybay Co Monaghan. THen in 1892 he married Ellen White my husbands grandmother in Ballybay their Marriage cert says james is a Widower and his fathers proffesion is a wire worker but the writing is not great, it looks like wire worker to me. 1911 census definately right.1901 not sure now ,although his daughter Jane (. Jeannie ) had a daughter called cassie .I wondered if this is short for Catherine .If That Martha Thompson is correct that make her 53 when Jane was born .on james 1901 railway terrace ballybay he says he was born in Tyrone but on his 1911it says Co Monaghan I am sure that was a mistake. Apart from johns 1911 census ,I have,t really got any records, but thanks again for your help
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Have been working through this puzzle off and on all day today and I may be close to unraveling some of it but have some questions to make sure I'm heading in the right direction.
1) does the name Andrew Thompson ring any bells?
2) was Cassie's husband John Nelson?
3) could the 1892 marriage say father's occupation was mill worker rather than wire worker?
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No ,Andrew does not mean anything to me. I was told Cassie,s husband was called Tommy Nelson, but Cassies mother Jane left a John Nelson her money in her will, it could Cassies husband or Cassies son,as Cassie was still alive when her mother died. WIth James marriage cert was a typed letter of the certificate as the writing on it is so bad,but what I thought was wire worker,they say it says tin worker.so I don't think 1901 census was right. On 1911 census John says he was born in antrim and the information I have says he was born in portglenone I think that is probably right . I too have been searching all day. Thanks again
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A bit more checking and re-checking to do them I'll return.
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I have just to found in the 1841/1851 census ,a John Thomson (with out the P )I am pretty sure it is John & Family .they live in Portglenone , his father James is dead .
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i would interested to see where the census for 1851 and 1841 is . For these Thompsons. I have Thompsons in portglenone from around that time and there is another thread on here that has the details of someone finding them on the census for those years but some of the names don't match up to this thread. Maybe Aghadowey could find the link as I'm not sure how to do it from using my I phone . Thanks
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Possibly it's from this pension claim- living in Garvaghy not Portglenone-
"THOMPSON Nancy James THOMPSON Eliza CRAWFORD Garvaghy Portglenone Toome Lower Antrim 1851 Eliza Thomson 42 head widow married 1834, Jean 16, John 11, William 8, Anne 5, Eliza 2, James Thomson 4? yrs died 1850."
www.ireland-genealogy.com/view_category/Page-123.html
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THe 1841/1851 census States James Thompson husband died 1850,Wife Eliza ( Elizabeth Crawford ) born in portglenone 1809, married to james in drumgath Co Down. Daughters Jane, Anne, Eliza & sons John, William & baby james who had. Just died in 1851. I think John who was born in 1841., and lived in the portglenone area before he married martha Miller was my husbands g great father but if you have any information that can help me ,I would be very gratefull
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Hi Aghadowey, Is there any way I can find out any more about James Thompson & Elizabeth Crawford . In the 1841- 1851 , for 1841 it say,s James was born1809 but did not say where also said he was a weaver. Pity they do not have an address in portglenone thanks
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Where did you get the pension claim information from? are you sure it said married in Drumgath, Co. Down? The details you've posted don't match up with what I've found :-\
Pity they do not have an address in portglenone
The address is given in the record I posted- Garvaghy.
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Hi,
Don't know if this helps but there is a townland of Garvaghy in the parish of Ahoghill as is Portglenone.
Regards
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Hi Kingskerwell, That is where the census was for, Garvaghy, Portglenone parish, is this Antrim .?
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Garvaghy townland is in Ahoghill Parish as is Portglenone.
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Hi Aghadowey, the census for 1841 shows Thompson( with a P. )James. 32 weaver, Elizabeth 32 wife, Jane 6 and John 2 (. Garvaghy ? Portglenone Parish, Lower Toome Barony ). . I am on another Ancestery site and when I put in these details it came with 14 connections with william Thompson ,James,s son who went to Australia it was on there that they married in Drumgath Co Down ,but they could be wrong .would be glad of any help ,thankyou
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Hi, trying to find out where ELizabeth Crawford & James Thomson were married in 1834, they were living in Garvaghy Portglenone in the 1841 census also found a Mother Agness ,living with brothers Alex &. Samuel and another brother John married to Nancy all living in Garvaghy and all weaver,s -Agnes a spinner any idea of her husbands name.
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Hi, martha thompson nee millar my ggrandmother was born in 1839 , don,t know where ? , she married John Thompson in tamlaght o crilly in Dec 1863 and died in Ballymena in 1909 ,any ideas on her parents names would be appreciated.
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Hi, where can I get a copy of the Marriage certificate of John Thompson&Martha Millar ,they were married in Tamlaght O Crilly on the 10 Dec 1863, and will it have there Fathers names on it .
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Hi , Martha Millar and John thompson were married in Tamlaght o crilly on the 10 dec 1863 . I have sent for a copy off the certificate, but I cannot read the name of John,s father or the place where they were living. I even put it on Handwriting deciphering and no one could understand it, can any body look up the will a see what they think. Appreciate any help
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This was all discussed on the thread and the place is Glenone- a townland in Tamlaght O'Crilly Parish-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=729829.9
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Hi, The. Marriage certificate for John & Martha say,s Parish Church of Tamlaght O Crilly Town , We went to Tamlaght yesterday and saw the Presbyterian Churchtown church built in 1836 .John & Martha were married in December 1836 . But John,s 1901 census said. He was Church of Ireland is there another church ,or is this the right one .
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http://ireland.anglican.org/information/dioceses/parish/11490
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Thankyou aghadowey
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Hi, Thanks again Aghadowey. Re John & Martha . Found the correct church, Tamlaght. O. Crilly Lower, in inishush. We are meeting with Rev Stewart, tomorrow at the church to see the original records.
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Are you sure that you have found the correct church? earlier you said it was "Parish Church of Tamlaght O Crilly Town" or did you mean Tamlaght O'Crilly Lower?
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Hi, I thought it said Town, But yesterday we went to /St Nossonus in inishush and took some photo,s of the outside. Then we went back to Tamlaght o. Crilly and found the Church of Ireland , Church down a drive way behind the Orange Hall and took more photo,s. There were some ladies in the Church and said they were Upper ,then after looking at the word town thought it could be Lower, so I sent the Rev Stewart an Email asking could he confirm which Church as he is over both of them and he Kindly said did we want to see the actual entry and to look round the church ,so it is the Lower , thanks again.
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Hi, After our visiting N Ireland two weeks ago ,I have found out my husbands ggrandfather was born in Craignageeragh in about 1840, his Father being also a John THompson . There is a John Thompson in the griffiths land registry thinking this could be his father .i was wondering is there a church of Ireland church in Craignageeragh . To see if ggrandfather John was married there ,no idea of his wife's name and also buried there .any help would be appreciated.
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Hi tammiegirl,
Hello from Australia. I know this is very late but I also am a descendant of James THOMPSON and Elizabeth CRAWFORD from Portglenone. Their son William THOMPSON (b. ~1843) emigrated to Australia in 1864. William had a son David THOMPSON who was my maternal grandfather. Our family records here show that William's father was definitely JAMES and was born in 1809. I would be interested in any other info that you may have found in the years since your last post here in 2015.
Kind regards,
Brian Foster
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Hi Brian,
I thought John Thompson was James Son but after going to the Church in Tamlaght OCrilly and seeing John & Martha Thompson Marriage in the Book ,it said John ,s Father was also called John .I do keep onlooking all I know is he came from Antrim .
Kind regards
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for your quick reply. You may be correct. Maybe his name was "John" not "James". All we have to go on here is William's Marriage Certificate where his father is given as "James". But I have just rechecked William's Death Certificate and his father is given as "John". Maybe his name was John James THOMPSON or James John THOMPSON. Who knows? I been looking for about 20 years!
Cheers,
Brian
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PS. Did you ever find out where James/John THOMPSON and Elizabeth CRAWFORD were married?
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Hi tammiegirl,
Hello from Australia. I know this is very late but I also am a descendant of James THOMPSON and Elizabeth CRAWFORD from Portglenone. Their son William THOMPSON (b. ~1843) emigrated to Australia in 1864. William had a son David THOMPSON who was my maternal grandfather. Our family records here show that William's father was definitely JAMES and was born in 1809. I would be interested in any other info that you may have found in the years since your last post here in 2015.
Kind regards,
Brian Foster
Hi,
I have Valuation of Tenements for parish of Ahoghill, County Anrtim NI page 254
David Thompson let House, Office and Land from Charles Adair in a place called LIMNAHARRY
hope this helps you
Happy 2020.
Sarah
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David Thompson let House, Office and Land from Charles Adair in a place called LIMNAHARRY
The townland of Limnaharry west of the town of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-lower/ahoghill/limnaharry/
KG
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Hi Brian ,
I have found a lot of info on the Thompson Family ,since I last spoke to you ..My Husband Sam,s Great great GrandFather John ,s Father also called John was A Brother to your GGJames .Their Parents were James and Agnes Thompson all living in Garvaghy . Sam has had aDNA test and has found some Cousins on the Thompson side .
Regards
A Happy New Year .
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Hi tammiegirl,
Hello from Australia. I know this is very late but I also am a descendant of James THOMPSON and Elizabeth CRAWFORD from Portglenone. Their son William THOMPSON (b. ~1843) emigrated to Australia in 1864. William had a son David THOMPSON who was my maternal grandfather. Our family records here show that William's father was definitely JAMES and was born in 1809. I would be interested in any other info that you may have found in the years since your last post here in 2015.
Kind regards,
Brian Foster
Hi,
I have Valuation of Tenements for parish of Ahoghill, County Anrtim NI page 254
David Thompson let House, Office and Land from Charles Adair in a place called LIMNAHARRY
hope this helps you
Happy 2020.
Sarah
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately, the "David THOMPSON" that you refer to in your message above is not the "David THOMPSON" that I mentioned in my original message. My "David THOMPSON" was my maternal grandfather and was born in Queensland, Australia in 1893.
Thanks for your research.
Have great 2020!
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian ,
I have found a lot of info on the Thompson Family ,since I last spoke to you ..My Husband Sam,s Great great GrandFather John ,s Father also called John was A Brother to your GGJames .Their Parents were James and Agnes Thompson all living in Garvaghy . Sam has had aDNA test and has found some Cousins on the Thompson side .
Regards
A Happy New Year .
Hi Sarah,
That's great info.
Can you put any dates to the marriage of James THOMPSON and Agnes? Also do you have Agnes's maiden name?
Any other info would be wonderful.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Brian
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Hi Brian ,
I think we are talking at cross lines here .I will send you an email with the info .
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Hi Brian ,
I think we are talking at cross lines here .I will send you an email with the info .
Hi Sarah,
Ok great. Look forward to that.
Cheers,
Brian