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Hi
On my Great grandfather's marriage entry from St Catherine's Church Meath street Dublin on 16th November 1890 I found his parents names however when trying to go further to find my great great grandparents marriage etc I have come to a dead end.
My great gr grand fathers name on the marriage cert of my gr.grandfather was listed as
Jacobi (James) Nolan (deceased by this date)
Mother : Johanne ( Jane ? ) Brown ( deceased by this date) .
If anyone could help me locate details regarding this marriage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Kind regards
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You've already a topic for this from 2011-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=543258
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Ah sorry .. I haven't worked on my research for quite a few years ..I completely forgot that I had already asked for help before on this particular part of the familytree . So as you can see I'm still not any the wiser since 2011 when I first posted my question.
Thank you for your help.
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Hi There
What was Patrick's address on his marriage cert ?
Who were the witness' on the marriage cert ?
Given that he died before the 1901 census we can't confirm where he was born and his age !
Do you have his death cert ?
Tara
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Hi Tara ,
I have attached the information that I received from St Catherine's records.
Patrick Nolan died 11th November 1899. I haven't applied for his death certificate yet . He used to work for Guiness's so I got the information about his death from their records. Also it gave his age as being 30 so that would mean he was born in 1869.
Thanks so much for your help.
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Given the timeline I'd expect something to show on extracted births but the nearest is for a Daniel b 1875 to a James and Jane Nolan in Wexford ( no maiden name mentioned).
I'll keep looking.
Tara
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Hi Tara ,
I have attached the information that I received from St Catherine's records.
Patrick Nolan died 11th September 1899. I haven't applied for his death certificate yet . He used to work for Guiness's so I got the information about his death from their records. Also it gave his age as being 30 so that would mean he was born in 1869.
Thanks so much for your help.
I looked at the Guinness record and his age at entry was 27 in 1890 so birth possibly earlier than 1869. It may be worthwhile looking at the parish records online for free . Link to St Catherine's in Meath St.http://137.191.249.36/parishes/0495
annclare
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Hi Tara ,
Sorry for the mix up ..
Yes you're right he was taken on in Guinness's 1890 aged 27 making him born 1863
His pension records from Guinness's have his age at time of death (1899) as 37 on one paper and 38 on another which makes his birth 1862 / 1861.
The family are determined to make things difficult for me .. from having such a common name to not remembering dates properly
:D :D :D
Again thanks so much for your help.
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Something to bear in mind as a possibility
Patrick NOLAN
b. Jul 13 1858 address: Ballyburn, Co. Kildare
(f) James NOLAN (m) Joanna BROWN
bap. Jul 18 1858 Castledermot RC Parish
Sponsors: John & Maria DOYLE
Probable family members (mother sometimes shown as Johanna/Hanna) baptised in Castledermot
1 Sept 09 1838 Michael
2 Jul 05 1840 John
3 Apr 03 1842 Mary
4 Aug 20 1845 Johannah (transcription states male)
5 May 16 1847 James
6 Apr 14 1850 Catherine (1)
7 Aug 01 1852 Joseph
8 Aug 05 1855 William
9 Jul 18 1858 Patrick*
10 Jul 01 1860 Catherine (2)
James NOLAN married Hannah BROWN
on Feb 10 1834 in Tinryland, Co. Carlow
no parents names given; witnesses Andrew CARTY & Mary BROWN
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That's a goodie MyLuck
I got the feeling he wasn't a Dub.
Tara
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Athena
Do you have any idea where he was living when he died ?
Tara
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Thanks Tara
one of the family shown looks to have married in Dublin
Joanna NOLAN of 53 Queen Street (f) James of Castledermot
married
Robert MONAHAN of 22 Upr Ormond Street (F) Robert of 10 Cuffe Street
in St. Paul's Arran Quay on Feb 24th 1867 - LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633667#page/129/mode/1up)
1901 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Riley_s_Place/971006/) return possibly for this family
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You're On A Roll ;D
Tara
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Oh My !!That's a huge find !! :D :D
Thank you MyLuck .
hahaahha Tara I'm not sure how the family is going to take this ..another non - Dub in the family hahaha My great grandmother on my father's side was from Carlow and then already rocked the family tree a bit hahaaha All the rest of the family back then seemed to be from around the Liberties.
Guinness's have him listed at 42 Bellevue Buildings when he died.
Thank you both very much.
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Athena
Do you have addresses in general for Patrick from his 1890 marriage to his 1899 death.
There are a few leads that I want to follow.
Tara
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OK SO Don't knock The Boggers ;D
Anyway Patrick is buried in Glasnevin in 1899.
Match to Guinness address.
His age was given as 39 so it"s tying in nicely with MyLuck"s find.
There are others in the grave but not sure who.
€10 will give you all the names of those in the graves and images of burial records.
Tara
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My OH thought he was a Dub until I started digging needless to say he's not a true blue, unless you count the current shouting in front of the match on the TV!
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Hhahahaha :D :D :D I'll have to tell the family to consider buying GAA jerseys that have double counties on them and not just a blue one hahaha
Oh brilliant !!! Tara thank you.
I will check that out at Glasnevin when I'm home at Christmas. I live in Athens.
I hadn't any other information on Patrick .. I think that's why I gave up my research for so long because I just seemed to hit a brick wall and since my family tree is full of common names ( Malone , Nolan , Byrne ) I just kept getting more and more confused and getting nowhere.
I'm delighted with my new information that you guys have found for me today to check out.
Thank you :D
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Glasnevin can be done online !
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
Tara
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AthenaGr
Thanks for the information you posted about my great grandmother Johanna Nolan. I have been searching for this family for some years. I know its a bit late but I have just read your post.
Regards
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Myluck!
Thanks for the info on my great grandmother's family Johanna Nolan from Castledermot.
Kind regards