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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: chr1st1an on Wednesday 05 August 15 16:49 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone! :)
I would like to gather all the information available about Emily Eaton.
She was born in 1837 at Bilston or nearby (Staffordshire) and died near Pontefract (Yorkshire) in 1905 (to be confirmed).
She was married to Robert Poole and then to Peter Webb.
I want to know about Emily: parents, siblings, where she lived, sons and daughters, where is she buried, etc... and every entry in the census from 1841 to 1901.
Thank you all!!!
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Have you got her marriage certificates for her Father's name?
If you know so little about her, how is she related to you?
Have you looked in the free censuses and records for her, just to get us started?
https://familysearch.org/search
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and every entry in the census from 1841 to 1901.
Familysearch has the 1871 & 1881 census transcript that you can search / view and it is free ;)
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Hi chr1st1an :)
Thank you for your PM.
As chempat has suggested it may be a good idea to search https://familysearch.org/search to gather information on Emily. As you know who she married, one of the marriage certificates would confirm her fathers name.
Rosie
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Hi, when Emily married Robert Poole her surname was spelt HEATON:-
Robert Poole to (on same page) Emily Heaton June qtr 1854 Dudley 6c 188
In 1861:-
Robert POOL 27 occ Miner
Emily 24
Abraham 4
Susannah Griffith 24 Widow/Sister in Law ( Think she is a Poole)?
Benjamin 4 Nephew
William 2 Nephew
Residing at High Street, Sedgley
All born Sedgley
Census Ref RG09/2051/74/12
Keyboard86
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For technical reasons I cannot do hardly any research on my own... :(
I need help!!!
Thank you if you can!
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Hi again, the marriage certificate of either marriage is really needed, but this is the only Emily I could locate in Bilston/Sedgley area b c 1837:-
John Eaton 40 Not born in County
Ann 40 Not born in County
Enoch 6
Emmily 4
Matthew 1
Residing at Hall Fold, Wolverhampton
Census Ref HO107/101/ 8/9 / 10
Cannot locate Emily at present in 1851, but balance of family plus an Abraham aged 7 b Bilston are on HO107/2031/312/20
Possible baptism Emily Eaton 2nd April 1837 St Leonard, Bilston Father John occ Miner Mother Anne
Keyboard86
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Hi again in 1851 their is an EMMA Eaton aged 13 b Bilston shown as Servant/Nurse for a Rollason family
Census Ref HO107/2030/441/2
Keyboard86
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Where did the Rollason family live? Also in Bilston?
Maybe the 1851 census will give the place of birth of Emily's parents, John and Ann Eaton... ???
Plus if she had any more brothers and sisters in addition to Enoch and Matthew.
Thanks! :)
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Here is the full details of the 1851 for that family
Brisley Lane Sedgely
John Eaton 53 miner bn Dawley
Ann 52 bn Dawley
John 23 miner bn Wolverhampton
Enoch 16 bn Bilston
Matthew 11 bn Bilston
Abraham 7 bn Bilston
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Does the second John (23) relate to the family? (was he another son?)
I see that Emily is not included, she must have been 13-14 years old then, and working as Keyboard suggested, or living with other relatives (less probable).
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Hi again, you seem to have a lot of knowledge of Emily including her marriages, but do not appear to be a direct relative of her, so just what is your interest in this lady?
Keyboard86
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Emily Eaton was my GGG Grandmother.
And her son Thomas Poole was my GG Grandfather. :D
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Does the second John (23) relate to the family? (was he another son?)
Yes he is a son
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1871
Purston Jaglin Yorkshire
Emily Poole 33 widow shop keeper bn Staffordshire
Abraham 13
Thomas 8
Samuel 6
John 4. Above children bn Staffordshire
Emily 1 bn purston jaglin
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1881. (i assume you have this as it is free to search)
Ryhill Yorkshire
Emily Webb 44 widow bn Bilston Staffs
Abraham Pool 23 miner bn Staffs
Mary Jane 22 dtr in law
Thomas Pool 19 bn Sedgely
Samuel Pool 17 bn Sedgeley
John Pool 15 bn Durham
Emily Pool 11 bn Pontefract Yorkshire
Joseph Webb 8 bn Pontefract
Elijah Webb 4. Bn Pont.
Sarah Jane Webb 2 bn Pont.
Eliza Webb 4mths bn Hemsworth
Robert Pool 6 mths bn Hemsworth
One really feels for her, widowed for a second time, and with such a large and young family.
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All looks good to me :)
Marriage;
24 April 1854, St. Martin, Tipton, Stafford, England
Emily HEATON age 18, Father JOHN
Robert POOLE age 20, Father BENJAMIN
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Marriage;
15 April 1872, Featherstone, Yorkshire, England
Emily POOL age 34 (1838), Widow, Father JOHN Eaton
Peter WEBB, 25 (1847), Father PETER Webb
(Source Familysearch.Org)
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Only Children I can find Baptised St Leonards, Bilston to them;
ENOCH, 23 Feb 1834
EMILY, 2 April 1837
MATTHEW, 15 Dec 1839
(FreeREG)
+ a JOHN***, 7 Jun 1827, St Peters, Wolverhampton to JOHN/ANN, Fathers Occp Miner
+ THOMAS, 24 Feb 1826 same details, buried 24 July 1826 age 5mths
(FreeREG)
Possible Marriage;
John EATON Married Ann MILLWARD, 23 May 1825 St Peter
Bachelor/Spinster
Abraham Millward was a Witness
(FreeREG)
You would need a Birth Cert of a Child born post 1837 eg Matthews to confirm Anns maiden name.
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Found a Tree with Ann Eaton as nee Millward and this on it;
Poor Law Removal Order 1808
Ann Millward 1808 27 Feb Age: 7
Lilleshall, Shropshire, England
Sarah Millward, widow of Thomas Millward and 4 children: John (12), ANN(7), Abraham (5)**, Richard (2 1/2) removed from Lilleshall and sent to Wrockwardine, Shropshire (Note: people were removed to the place of "last legal settlement)
Back to John Jnr;
Marriage;
25 Dec 1853, St Thomas, Dudley, Staffordshire
John EATON, Bachelor, Miner, Father JOHN Eaton, Miner
Jane MARTIN, Spinster, Father WILLIAM Martin, Miner (deceased)
ENOCH Eaton was a Witness
(FreeREG)
1861 Census Sedgley, Staffs;
John Eaton, 36
Jane Eaton, 29
Thomas Eaton, 5
Esther Eaton, 3
Mary A Eaton, 1
A Tree has John emigratiing to the US and dying Pennsylvania 9 Jan 1863
Wife Jane remarries.
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Poor Law Removal Order 1808
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removed from Lilleshall and sent to Wrockwardine, Shropshire (Note: people were removed to the place of "last legal settlement)
What was this "Poor Law Removal Order"?
Where they beggars or what was this all about? ???
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1881. Ryhill Yorkshire
Emily Webb 44 widow bn Bilston Staffs
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One really feels for her, widowed for a second time, and with such a large and young family.
Yes, I agree.
sgf28 found this information:
Possible death for Robert:
Robert Poole
Age:36
Burial: 21 Dec 1870
Featherstone, Yorkshire, England
This link gives more details for a Robert Pool death:
http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/database/result/41621.html
I didn't know that Peter Webb also died very young. Was it another accident?
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Try a google search for Poor Law Removal Order to get full details. (It is what the rest of us would do for more accurate information.)
e.g.
http://www.mdlp.co.uk/resources/general/poor_law.htm
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I didn't know that Peter Webb also died very young. Was it another accident?
You would need to get a copy of his death cert to find the cause of death.
That can be ordered from www.gro.gov.uk
First you would need to find his death in the index. That can be searched at freebmd by anyone.
We know he died after 1872 (when he married Emily) and before 1881, when she is a widow in the census. In view of the fact she has a baby, then one would expect it to be 1880/81.
Try having a look yourself - much more fun than relying on others to find things from resources that are freely available to all.
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Thank you chempat!
I followed your advice, and found a lot of information about the Poor Law Removal Order.
Here a paste a wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Removal_Act_1795
This morning I will search if there was a Workhouse at Wrockwardine (which I don't even know where it is).
Lizdb, Thank you too!
I will do that and let you all know.
Although, for me, it's much more fun doing a group research. :)
However I now understand why you all find ancestry so thrilling (it's getting me too! LOL)
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Sarah Millward, widow of Thomas Millward and 4 children: John (12), ANN(7), Abraham (5)**, Richard (2 1/2) removed from Lilleshall and sent to Wrockwardine, Shropshire (Note: people were removed to the place of "last legal settlement)
How can I find out in the indexes where and when Sarah Millward died?
(what would be the procedure?)
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That removal took place in 1808. So she likely died before 1837 - when Civil Registration started. So, if you are talking the GRO indexes on FreeBMD that I referred to earlier, you are unlikely to find her.
You will need to search Parish Registers for a burial. Starting with where you last knew she was. And armed with an age for her!
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"About 1801 a new workhouse had been erected 1 km. west of Wrockwardine on land belonging to the Tiddicross charity, and John Hollis was to provide its inmates with bread, cheese, and beer, and beef or mutton at least once a week. In 1803 £544 was spent on the poor, mostly as out-relief. In 1814 the workhouse, then under a salaried keeper, comprised a kitchen, paupers' kitchen, 5 bedrooms containing 13 beds, a 'dead room' with 3 spinning wheels and 1 long wheel, pantry, brewhouse, and cellar.
Expenditure on poor relief was highest in 1816-1817 when c. £1,620 was spent and there were up to thirty in the workhouse. The parish owed £1,980, and 703 of the population of 1,938 were receiving parish relief, including 200 men completely unemployed. As ever, most of the poor lived in Wrockwardine Wood, the industrial part of the parish, which, however, contributed only a seventh of the parish rate income. Late in 1816 the unemployed were set to work on the parish roads. Over the next five years expenditure fell rapidly to £1,052 in 1822-3. By 1827-8 it had risen again to £1,291. A select vestry was formed, probably in 1819."
(Source: www.british-history.ac.uk)
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Another possibility is that Sarah Millward remarried after 1808.
Can anyone check this to confirm it or rule it out?
Thanks!
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Possible Marriage;
John EATON Married Ann MILLWARD, 23 May 1825 St Peter
Bachelor/Spinster
Abraham Millward was a Witness
(FreeREG)
Could you please tell me in what town/city is this St. Peter church?
Thanks!
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Oh, I think I've found it: St. Peter is in Wrockwardine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrockwardine
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I've found an inconsistency in the 1841 census:
John Eaton 40 Not born in County
Ann 40 Not born in County
Enoch 6
Emmily 4
Matthew 1
Residing at Hall Fold, Wolverhampton
Census Ref HO107/101/ 8/9 / 10
Enoch (b.1834), Emily (b.1837), Matthew (b.1839) and then son Abraham (b.1844) were ALL born at Bilston, so why would they appear living in Wolverhampton in 1841 ???
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Hi if you look at the actual census the Parish and Township is Wolverhampton the Town is Bilston.
Keyboard86
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Ok, thanks! That explains it!!! ;)
By the way, Keyboard, where did the Rollason family live?
(the family which Emily Eaton was working for in 1851)
I see the patern repeats itself in the family: maybe Emily's mother, Ann, thought it was a good idea to put the elder children to work, since she probably did work very hard and her own mother too at the Workhouse in Wrockwardine.
I found that in 1841 John Eaton (16) was working as a male servant...
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Hi again, David Rollason was a Farmer of 34 Acres and his family lived at Gospelend House, Golspelend Road, Sedgley
Keyboard86
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This family is really interesting... :o
In 1851 Emily is working for David Rollason & family as a nurse/servant at Gospel End Road, Sedgley (she is 13 years old).
Then in 1854 she marries (24 April 1854, at St Martin, Tipton, Staffordshire).
"Marriage between Emily Eaton (18) and Robert Poole (20). His father's name is Benjamin Poole". In the marriage registry, Emily states being 18 when in reallity she was 17!!
Unless when she was baptized St Leonard, Bilston on the 2 Apr.1837 she was already 1 year old!...
Any ideas or suggestions about this?
Can anyone please complete the following data about her brothers?:
Enoch Eaton married MAR qtr 1856 at Dudley district (6c 137). To whom?
Matthew Eaton is totally missing: no marriage and no death registry. Could he have emigrated too?
Abraham Eaton died JUN qtr. 1864 at Dudley district (6c 43). Was it him (aged 19/20)?
And can anyone post the 1861 Census to locate parent's John and Ann Eaton?
Thank you so much!!! :)
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Hi I would ignore a small variation in age for Emily, as an example all my searches and I am certain of the "Seasoned " researchers is +/- 2 as far as Enoch took me a bit of time to locate in 1861 but:-
ENOCK HEATON 26
Dianna 26
Sarah J 4
William 1
A Matthew Johnson & Susannah family are shown as Boarders.
Census ref RG09/2051/95/10
In 1871 for some reason on original the name of his wife has been scrawled over?
Census ref RG10/3006/167/20
But Diana in 1881
1861 census
John Eaton 64 occ Miner b Hambridge
Ann 64 b Donnington
Abraham 17 b Bilston
Residing at Broad Street, Sedgley
Census ref RG09/2049/111/7
Keyboard86
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1861 Census Sedgley, Staffs;
John Eaton, 36
Jane Eaton, 29
Thomas Eaton, 5
Esther Eaton, 3
Mary A Eaton, 1
A Tree has John emigratiing to the US and dying Pennsylvania 9 Jan 1863
Wife Jane remarries.
So in the 1861 Census they are living at Sedgley, Staffordshire. After that they emigrated to the US and John Eaton died in Pennsylvania 9 Jan 1863 (aged 35)...
Today I've realized that if this is correct John Eaton emigrated at the worst possible time! At the beginning of the US Civil War. ???
Any ideas or suggestions about this?
Thank you!
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Are John and Ann Eaton on the 1871 census?
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1881 Census
Ryhill Yorkshire
Emily Webb 44 widow bn Bilston Staffs
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One really feels for her, widowed for a second time, and with such a large and young family.
I cannot find Peter Webb's death in the indexes. Can anyone help, PLEASE!
Marriage: Peter Webb + Emily Poole, 15th April 1872, at Featherstone.
So Peter must have died between 1872 and 1881. But when ???
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1881. (i assume you have this as it is free to search)
Ryhill Yorkshire
Emily Webb 44 widow bn Bilston Staffs
Abraham Pool 23 miner bn Staffs
Mary Jane 22 dtr in law
Thomas Pool 19 bn Sedgely
Samuel Pool 17 bn Sedgeley
John Pool 15 bn Durham
Emily Pool 11 bn Pontefract Yorkshire
Joseph Webb 8 bn Pontefract
Elijah Webb 4. Bn Pont.
Sarah Jane Webb 2 bn Pont.
Eliza Webb 4mths bn Hemsworth
Robert Pool 6 mths bn Hemsworth
One really feels for her, widowed for a second time, and with such a large and young family.
Hi again going on this 1881 census, unless the Webb children were not Emily's he died c 1881 if in fact he did?
Keyboard86
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Good point!
So 1880-1881 is the approximate date of death...
Emily declares herself a widow in that 1881 Census,
but check this out that I've just found out: there is a Peter Webb DEATH in 1905! :o
(Death DEC 1905, Peter Webb (58) Pontefract 9c 66)
...and the weird thing is that the age fits with the aproximate date of birth of Peter Webb.
I think a good idea would be to check the 1891 census for Emily Webb and see if husband appears there, of even if Peter Webb appears anywhere in 1881 or 1891.
All this is very strange! :-\
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Hi again in 1901 that Peter Webb aged 56 occ Coal Miner ill at home b West Bromwich is with an Emily Webb 64 b Staffordshire
Joseph 28
Elijah 24
David 18
Peter 18
All children born Featherstone
Census ref RG13/4298/48/27
Keyboard86
So was Emily a Widow in 1881?
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Wow, keyboard, that's an awesome discovery!
Does it say where was Peter Webb born (town/city)?
The age fits perfectly, he must have been born in 1844 or 1845...
So Emily was NOT a second time young widow after all! :-[
Another curiosity is that the two smallest sons, David and Peter (18), must have been twins.
There are no other twins in my family so that would be the Webbs' genes, I suppose.
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Hi again, in 1891:-
Peter Webb 46 occ Coal Miner b West Bromwich
Emily 55 b Bilston
Joseph 17
Eligh 14
Sarah 12
Eliza 10
David 8
Peter 8
Residing at Short Street, Featherstone
Census ref RG12/3760/21/36
Keyboard86
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In 1851/1861 a Peter Webb aged 3 and 13 b West Bromwich he is a Visitor/Grandson to a Mary Whitehouse and Daughter Elizabeth Webster Unmarried in Tipton
Census ref HO107/2029/5/3 and RG09/2042/109/4
Could be him?
Keyboard86
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Hi again,
The indexes show a Peter Webb b. SEP 1847 W. Bromwich, 18 547.
This fits with those entries of 1851 and 1861 in terms of age, and also Tipton is near to W. Bromwich.
The same as the Poole(s) he must have gone to Yorkshire looking for a job at the collieries between 1861 and 1872 (year he married Emily)...
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Hi again,
The indexes show a Peter Webb b. SEP 1847 W. Bromwich, 18 547.
This fits with those entries of 1851 and 1861 in terms of age, and also Tipton is near to W. Bromwich.
The same as the Poole(s) he must have gone to Yorkshire looking for a job at the collieries between 1861 and 1872 (year he married Emily)...
Either their are two Peter Webb's b c 1847 but the one married to Emily via census gives c 1845 as on West Yorkshire Burials from an online tree their was a Peter Webb burial All Saints Featherstone Dec 16th 1906 aged 58 the death registration for Peter Webb was Dec qtr 1905 aged 58? a parish clerk error?
1871/81 anyone?
EDIT Also why when Eliza Webb b c 1880 Rhyhill married why/where does the middle name of Twigger come from when she marries Leonard Parker Dec qtr 1900 Doncaster 9c 235
And also when Peter Webb 28 married on 24th June 1911 St Giles & St Mary Pontefract to Ethel Annie Robertson one of the witnesses was Eliza Twigger Parker
Keyboard86
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Hi everyone!
A new piece of the puzzle: today I've found out that Emily's first husband, Robert Poole, was baptized at Darlaston (Staffordshire): at Pinfold St Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, on 30 Mar.1834, and was born 14 Mar.1834 son of Benjamin "Pool" and Sophia Whitehouse. Entry gives the mother's parentage - Sophia d.O. Isaac & Phillis Whitehouse.
(Source: freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
The interesting thing is that Robert Poole's mother had the surname Whitehouse...
...and Enoch Poole's wife was called Diana Whitehouse. (Enoch was Emily's brother and Robert's brother-in-law).
Maybe there was a connection or maybe Whitehouse was a common surname in that area. :)
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Hi again, also remember the Mary Whitehouse that Peter Webb aged 3/13 was with 1851/61, Diana could be the Dinah aged 16 b Tipton with parents John & Sarah in Sedgley in 1851 same road I believe as Mary Whitehouse
Census ref HO107/2031/226/20
Keyboard86
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Hi! It very well could be! :o
Back to Emily's father: John Eaton...
In the 1861 census he states being 65 years old, and his wife Ann Eaton (nee Millward) 64.
From the 1808 Poor Removal Act, Ann seems to have been born in 1800... so if it's not a transcript error she must be 61 in 1861... ??? Or she was born in 1797. And John born c.a. 1796.
Piece: RG9/2049 Place: Sedgley -Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Sedgley Ecclesiastical Parish: Coseley
Folio: 111 Page: 7 Schedule: 33
Address: Broad Street
John "ETON", Head, 65, Miner, b. Shropshire - Wembridge (or Hambridge?)
Ann "ETON", Wife, 64, b. Shropshire - Donington
Abraham "ETON", Son, 17, File Cutter, b. Staffordshire - Bilston
Ok. Now Abraham Eaton (Emily's youngest brother) died JUN qtr. 1864 at Dudley district (aged 20). He was buried at Christ Church, Coseley, Sedgley on the date 3 Apr.1864. He lived at Wallbrook.
I'm trying to find when and where did Emily's father John Eaton die?!
And I have found one record that MIGHT fit in:
There was a burial of a John Eaton at Christ Church, Coseley, Sedgley on the date 30 July 1871.
(The same church as his son Abraham)
The age stated is 78... So 1871-78=1793 Grrrr! >:(
But what I would like someone to check out is that if he died JUN qtr. 1871 he must appear in the 1871 census, and that's what I cannot find!
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Hi again in 1871 their is a John Eaton 78 with Wife Ann 68? Both born Shropshire living at Broad Street Sedgley
Census ref RG10/3006/64/9
Keyboard86
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Bingo!!! :D
Congratulations Keyboard!
EDIT: Marriage (23 May 1825 St. Peter, Wrockwardine) between Ann Millward (25) and John Eaton (26). So they seem a bit confused about their respective ages!... :o
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:) May I suggest before progressing other avenues you for instance sort out why the Whitehouse/Pool/e/Webb families seem so interlinked?
Who was the mother of Peter Webb b c 1847 West Bromwich?
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Hi Keyboard!
Yes indeed; you are as much part of this research as I am, so your suggestions are very welcome!
(As for others who are reading this post, I would appreciate hugely your cooperation too!). :D
So, ok, let's see who was Peter Webb's mother, grandmother and what relationship did they have with Diana Whitehouse (later Diana Eaton).
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I found something in the 1861 Census:
Piece: RG9/2043 Place: Tipton -Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Tipton Ecclesiastical Parish: St. John
Folio: 23 Page: 2 Schedule: 6
Address: Upper Church Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
POOLLE Benjamin Head M M 44 Coal Miner Shropshire - Madeley
POOLLE Sophia Wife M F 42 Staffordshire - Sedgley
POOLLE Thomas Son U M 19 Puddler Staffordshire - Sedgley
POOLLE Martha Dau U F 13 Staffordshire - Tipton
POOLLE Sarah Dau U F 9 Staffordshire - Tipton
POOLLE Isaac Son - M 8 Staffordshire - Tipton
POOLLE Eliza Dau - F 4 Staffordshire - Tipton
By error I put in bold letters Thomas POOLLE. I got confused! The name of the son we are looking for who married Emily Eaton is Robert Poole.
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:) Good start, a Benjamin Pool married a Sophia Whitehouse 4th March 1833 Sedgley
Keyboard86
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About the Whitehouse(s):
I've checked the 1851 census and there were 1650 people with the surname Whitehouse in Staffordshire.
And in the 1861 census the number is 2900 (also in Staffordshire)... :o
This link gives the geographical distribution of the surname by 1881 and curiosly enogh Dudley is the "epicentre"... :(
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=WHITEHOUSE&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name
So I think it's difficult that there was any relation between Robert Poole's mother, Sophia Poole (nee Whitehouse), and Peter Webb's grandmother, Mary Whitehouse, and Enoch Eaton's wife, Diana Eaton (nee Whitehouse).
Most possibly there was a relation between Peter and Diana.
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About Diana Whitehouse:
Baptised at St Martin, Tipton, Staffordshire
4 January 1835
Father: John Whitehouse, Miner
Mother: Sarah
Abode: Wood Street
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Hi again that Diana in 1841:-
John Whitehouse 28
Sarah 28
Job 10
Dianah 7
William 4
Rachael 2
Abraham 2 months
Residing at Princes End, Tipton
Census ref HO107/982/ 1/9 / 11
Keyboard86
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In 1851/1861 a Peter Webb aged 3 and 13 b West Bromwich he is a Visitor/Grandson to a Mary Whitehouse and Daughter Elizabeth Webster Unmarried in Tipton
Census ref HO107/2029/5/3 and RG09/2042/109/4
Could be him?
Keyboard86
Trying to locate Peter Webb's parents...
There is a Peter Webb, miner, married to (a) Mary Webb with the following kids:
- Charlotte Webb baptized 1 Feb.1829, Sedgley
- Mary Webb, bp. 12 Jun.1831, Sedgley
- Ann Webb, bp. 8 Dec.1833, Sedgley
- Hezekiah Webb, bp. 5 Mar.1837, Sedgley
- Elizabeth Webb, bp. 21 Apr.1839, Sedgley
- Betsy Webb, bp. 22 Mar. 1840, Sedgley
Ok. After that there is another (or the same) Peter Webb, miner, married to (a) Sarah Webb, with the kids:
- John Webb, bp. 29 Sep.1844 Tipton
- Mary Anne Webb, bp. 7 Dec.1845 Tipton but residing (abode) at West Bromwich!
Important questions:
Is it the same Peter Webb in both households?
(Maybe there is a marriage after 1840 of a Peter Webb widower to Sarah)
And could these be the parents of Peter Webb born 1845/1846 at West Bromwich?
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Hi again, if the marriage of a Peter Webb to ( on same page) Sarah Whitehouse March qtr 1844 Dudley v18 page 328 is the one, then the relationship as Grandson of Peter 1851/61 to Mary Whitehouse needs to be looked into?
Keyboard86
Edited marriage qtr
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I see the marriage registry on FreeBMD of Peter Webb and Sarah Whitehouse on the same page.
Since there is another Sarah Instone as well on the same page we cannot be 100% sure...
But the date I see is: MAR qtr. 1844 at DUDLEY.
Has anyone got access to this marriage certificate? ???
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Important questions:
Is it the same Peter Webb in both households?
(Maybe there is a marriage after 1840 of a Peter Webb widower to Sarah)
And could these be the parents of Peter Webb born 1845/1846 at West Bromwich?
There was 3 deaths in Dudley between 1840 and 1844 which correspond to the name Mary Webb (in 1840, 1842 and 1843). One of them was a 53 years old lady... :-\
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Hi I do not why but I cannot at present locate the Peter Webb with Sarah and family in 1851, can you post census ref or details or is it 1861?
Keyboard86
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The first year to check would be 1851.
In Staffordshire there where only 2 Peter Webb(s) adults:
One a farmer, and the other one: Peter Webb, 44, Contracting Miner, b. 1807 aprox. at Sedgley, Staffordshire.
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??? Sorry thought you had households for both?
The one with Mary has stepdaugters Eliza Robert 19 and Hannah Langford 11 and Ann Webb 17 and Hezekiah Webb aged 14
Census ref HO107/2021/438/44
In 1841 that Mary A in 1841 was married to a William Langford with children Mary A 15 Eliza Roberts 10 and Hannah Langford 2
Salop Row, Bilston
Census ref HO107/1001/ 2/28 / 4
1841 for Peter Webb :-
Peter Webb 30
Mary 30
Charlotte 12
Ann 7
Hezekiah 5
Betsey 2
Residing at Penn Street, Bilston
Census ref HO107/1001/ 13/31 / 20
In 1861 look to be;-
Peter Webb 53 occ Miner
Mary Ann 55
Residing at 14, Court, Temple Street, Bilston
Census ref RG09)2005/112/26
So which Peter Webb possibly married a Sarah Whitehouse 1844?
Keyboard86
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Hi Keyboard!
I'm following the trail of Hezekiah Webb since it's the most uncommon name (no offense intended)...
I can confirm the 1841 Census:
Peter Webb (30) b.1811 in Staffordshire, Stone miner,
Mary Webb (30) b.1811 also in Staffordshire,
Charlotte Webb (12) b.1829,
Ann Webb (7) b.1834,
Hezekiah Webb (5) b.1836,
Betsy Webb (2) b.1839, all kids born in Staffordshire.
And the address is Penn Road, Bilston.
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The 1851 Census:
Peter Webb (44) b.1807 in Sedgley, Contracting Miner,
Mary Ann Webb (45) b.1806 in Bilston,
Ann Webb (17) b.1834 at Ledgley
Hezekiah Webb (14) b.1837 at Bilston, Miner
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Eliza Bolus (19) b.1832 at Bilston (stepdaughter)
Hannah Longford (11) b.1840 at Bilston (stepdaughter)
And the address is Coseley Street, Bilston.
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No problem, but is he THE Peter Webb who married possibly Sarah Whitehouse in 1844, then Mary Ann Langford 1844?
Keyboard86
PS I have shown all those census, it is Eliza Robert/Roberts
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I don't think the father of Hezekiah is the father of "our" Peter Webb 1846/1847...
I've had an idea: Supposing Peter Webb who married Sarah Whitehouse in 1844 have 3 children:
John (b.1844), Mary Anne (b.1845) and "our" Peter (b.1846/47)...
We know the first two kids where baptized at Tipton, but not Peter.
And we know Peter lives in 1851 and 1861 with his grandmother.
What if after "our" Peter was born, both parents died?
That may explain why Peter was not baptized and why he is found with his grandmother... ::)
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Hi again, it is that 1851 family eg John 1844 Mary Ann 1845 both born Tipton with parents Peter/Sarah I am having trouble with?!
Keyboard86
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On the other hand, we don't know if "our" Peter was the son of Peter and Sarah Webb, and if John and Mary Anne were his siblings?
And we are supposing "our" Peter was that grandson staying with Mary Whitehouse.
Maybe I'm confused and need to go back and read this topic over again... ???
"Our" Peter Webb's marriage certificate (to Emily Poole -nee Eaton) gives:
The date of wedding: 15 Apr.1872
Peter's age and condition: 25 , Bachelor
Occupation: Miner
Residence at the time of marriage: Purston (Featherstone)
Father's name, surname and occupation: Peter Webb, Miner
and the 1891 Census gives:
Age and occupation: 46, Coal Miner
Birth place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
and the 1901 Census gives:
Age and occupation: 56, Coal Miner Hewer at Home
Birth place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Address: 24 Albert Street, Pontefract district (Yorkshire)
and FreeBMD deaths gives:
Date of death: DEC qtr.1905 (aged 58) at Pontefract district.
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Hi again just for reference are we also to assume that Peter/Sarah/John 1844 Mary A 1845 both b Tipton all of them died by 1851?
Also where did your earlier info come from that Peter occ Miner with Sarah John & Mary A abode WEST BROMWICH?
Keyboard86
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Hi Keyboard,
I did explain myself poorly... sorry. :-[
This "idea" (just an hypotesis) was that if both parents died, the 3 kids would have been adopted, maybe not by the same family, they could have been separated (we hear stories like this every day), so my "idea" was to look for a John Webb (adopted son), and a Mary Anne Webb (adopter daughter) in the censuses. And I did that this afternoon, but with no luck. :(
About your second question, you can find those same details at http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/ if you look for Peter Webb, 1840-1850, Baptisms (and include family members). The baptism of Mary Anne Webb at Tipton clearly states abode: West Bromwich.
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:) OK i go with that, but for at least 20 years Peter b 1845/7 is never around his brother or sister, unless as you say they changed their name to an adopted one or have died, a Peter Webb snr death somewhere that makes sense/remarriage of Sarah etc etc
Keyboard86
PS Emigration/Made up name for father by Peter jnr at marriage etc?
That birth certificate may be your only recourse?
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Another piece of the puzzle (!)...
Burial of (a) Matthew Eaton (Emily's younger brother):
Place: Sedgley, Staffordshire
Church name: Christ Church (Coseley)
Burial date: 20 Mar 1859
Person age: 19
Burial person forename Matthew
Burial person surname EATON
Burial person abode Mamble Square
(source:freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
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;D Look rather than going back to the Eaton side of the family, the first thing is to sort out just who the Peter Webb and wife Sarah and children John & Mary Ann abode West Bromwich at Mary Ann baptism are, and what happened to them all?
The Unmarried Elizabeth Webster with mother Mary Whitehouse on the same census returns as Peter Webb aged 3/13 may even be his mother?
That birth certificate in 1847 I once again state may be your only recourse, you cannot/should not attempt to complete a family tree by census returns only?
Where was Peter in 1871/81 eg Army?
Keyboard86
PS and remembering a thread I helped out on yesterday why b c 1845 when married/census returns?
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PS and remembering a thread I helped out on yesterday why b c 1845 when married/census returns?
What do you mean? Can you please explain a little bit more?...
Ok. Last night I sat on the terrace thinking for a long while about our Peter Webb and couldn't find a solution. The only thing I figured out was that if that is the only Peter Webb born around 1847 in West Bromwich living in that area (and since Peter Webb was not a common name), it might very well be him. And since the only sure relative to that Peter Webb 3/13 years old, is his grandmother, and she is called Whitehouse, we can go from there downwards:
First a marriage between Mary (surname) and John Whitehouse. Place and date.
Then a list of children, and if there was a daughter named Sarah...Bingo!
(If the lady named Elizabeth Webster was unmarried, then the illegitimate child would be called Peter Webster, no?)
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The PS referred to a William Sheen thread where he showed from marriage & census returns b 1876 but only apparent birth was 1878, and many trees have accepted this must be him, it was proved later the 1878 William marries someone else?!
Keyboard86
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Regarding the subject of Peter Webb's year of birth:
Peter Webb's marriage certificate gives:
The date of wedding: 15 Apr.1872
Peter's age and condition: 25 , Bachelor 1872 - 25 = 1847
and the 1891 Census gives:
Age and occupation: 46, Coal Miner
Birth place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire 1891 - 46 = 1845
and the 1901 Census gives:
Age and occupation: 56, Coal Miner Hewer at Home
Birth place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Address: 24 Albert Street, Pontefract district (Yorkshire) 1901 - 56 = 1845
and FreeBMD deaths gives:
Date of death: DEC qtr.1905 (aged 58) at Pontefract district. 1905 - 58 = 1847
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;D OK wrong at marriage/death We must get rid of that of the Peter/Sarah/John/Mary Ann conundrum, and where the one above was 1871/81?
Keyboard86
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...And since the only sure relative to that Peter Webb 3/13 years old, is his grandmother, and she is called Whitehouse, we can go from there downwards:
First a marriage between Mary (surname) and John Whitehouse. Place and date.
Then a list of children, and if there was a daughter named Sarah...Bingo!
(If the lady named Elizabeth Webster was unmarried, then the illegitimate child would be called Peter Webster, no?)
MARRIAGE
St Peter, Wolverhampton, STS
Marriage date: 2 Jul 1823
Groom: John WHITEHOUSE, Bachelor
Bride: Mary WEBSTER, Widow
Witnesses: Sarah VIPOND and Samuel HANCHER
(Source: freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
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The Unmarried Elizabeth Webster with mother Mary Whitehouse on the same census returns as Peter Webb aged 3/13 may even be his mother?
Elizabeth Weberton (!) >:(
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The Unmarried Elizabeth Webster with mother Mary Whitehouse on the same census returns as Peter Webb aged 3/13 may even be his mother?
Elizabeth Weberton (!) >:(
All according to which site you view on and how it has been transcribed is it the same with Mary Whitehouse on 1851/1861 or not, stick with the Webb family who appear to disappear after Mary Ann b 1845?!
Keyboard86
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I have seen the "original", not the transcript, and I read "Elizabeth Weberton".
In case it was another surname here are two more entries:
MARRIAGE
St Bartholomew, Norton-in-the-Moors
Marriage date: 08 Aug 1821
Groom: John WHITEHOUSE
Bride: Mary STEEL
Witnesses: Hannah WOOD and Wm. STEEL
MARRIAGE
St Thomas, Dudley Staffs
Marriage date: 29 Dec 1823
Groom: John WHITEHOUSE, bachelor
Bride: Mary DARBY, spinster
Witnesses: William STANLEY and S. PASKIN
(Source: freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
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Hi again 1841 census :-
John Whitehouse 35
Mary 45
Sarah 15
Daniel 11
Thomas WEBSTER 20
Elizabeth WEBSTER 23
Residing at Tibbington, Tipton
Census Ref HO107/982/ 1/15 / 23
Keyboard86
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And in 1851 census:
Elizabeth WEBERTON 37 b. Darlaston
She couldn't have aged 14 years from 1841 to 1851... ;D
It also says very confusingly: Relation: Daughter in law, Occupation: Wife's Daughter
So was it 2 different Elizabeth(s) or was the enumerator drunk?
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According to 1841 Thomas and Elizabeth Webster were the son and daughter of a previous marriage of Mary.
If Thomas was 20 years old: 1841-20=1821. So the marriage must have been previous to 1821...
Look what I have found: ;)
MARRIAGE
St Thomas, Dudley Staffs
Marriage date: 28 Aug 1820
George WEBSTER, bachelor from Dudley parish
Mary POOLE, spinster from Dudley parish :o :o :o
Witnesses: S. PASKIN and William Webster
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Or tracking Daniel Whitehouse in 1851 with Peter Webb aged 4 shown as visitor as mentioned much earlier?
Keyboard86
Stick with Peter Webb Sarah etc!
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Track Daniel Whitehouse backwards (parents, grandparents, etc) or forward (whereabouts in 1861, 1871, etc) ?
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On FreeBMD:
BIRTH Peter Webb, Sep 1847, West Bromwich, 18 547.
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Hi again 1841 census :-
John Whitehouse 35
Mary 45
Sarah 15
Daniel 11
Thomas WEBSTER 20
Elizabeth WEBSTER 23
Residing at Tibbington, Tipton
Census Ref HO107/982/ 1/15 / 23
Keyboard86
2 BAPTISMS for Elizabeth Webster:
30 May 1815, St Lawrence, Darlaston. Father Thomas WEBSTER miner, Mother Mary
28 Aug 1815, St Lawrence, Darlaston. Father Thomas WEBSTER miner, Mother Mary
(this second one gives date of birth: 29 Apr 1815)
(both baptisms give "person abode: Catherine's Cross")
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MARRIAGE
St Martin, Tipton
Marriage date: 23 Jan 1809
Thomas WEBSTER, bachelor, parish of Tipton
Mary TONKS, spinster, parish of Tipton
Witnesses: William WINDLE and James GREEN
Banns read Jan 8, 15, 22. Bride and Groom signed with a X.
By Banns. Recorded in the General Register
If a person is/was illiterate, can he or she know what age their are?... ???
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BURIAL
St Lawrence, Darlaston
Burial date: 28 Nov 1821
Thomas WEBSTER, age 34
Burial person abode: Gospel Dale
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MARRIAGE
St Peter, Wolverhampton, STS
Marriage date: 2 Jul 1823
Groom: John WHITEHOUSE, Bachelor
Bride: Mary WEBSTER, Widow
Witnesses: Sarah VIPOND and Samuel HANCHER
(Source: freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
After this marriage...
BAPTISM
St Martin, Tipton
Baptism date: 22 Feb 1824
Sarah WHITEHOUSE
Father John WHITEHOUSE miner, Mother Mary WHITEHOUSE
Person abode: Princes End
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Hi again wondering if this could be the Sarah Whitehouse who possibly married a Peter Webb in 1851:-
Sarah Webb 26 Married b Tipton
John 6 months b Tipton
William B 3 months?? b Sedgley
Residing with a John/Mary Boyle
New Dock, Dudley
Census ref HO107/2032/515/47
Keyboard86
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A timeline of recent discoveries... :D
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Hi again we/you do not know if a Sarah Whitehouse married a Peter Webb, at present only purchase of the Peter Webb marriage certificate will answer the question, are the parents of the John aged 6 months and William B 3 months the same in 1851, William Broadhurst Webb birth September 1850 Stourbridge 18 491?
Keyboard86
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BAPTISM
All Saints, Sedgley Staffs
Baptism date: 7 Apr 1805
John WHITEHOUSE
Father Thomas WHITEHOUSE occ. Screwforger, Mother Elizabeth WHITEHOUSE
Person abode: Coseley
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;D Back to Whitehouse again, Webb family above, if not Peter who married Sarah Whitehouse who was he anyway how old/occupation/pob/death?
Keyboard86
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So Sarah Whitehouse was baptised at St Martin, Tipton in 1824, and Diana Whitehouse was also baptised at St Martin, Tipton in 1835.
Hypothesis: Maybe they were cousins?
How many Whitehouse(s) lived in Tipton by 1841? ::)
(I cannot find that information)
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So Sarah Whitehouse was baptised at St Martin, Tipton in 1824, and Diana Whitehouse was also baptised at St Martin, Tipton in 1835.
Hypothesis: Maybe they were cousins?
How many Whitehouse(s) lived in Tipton by 1841? ::)
(I cannot find that information)
Got that, but is the Sarah Webb above the Sarah Whitehouse?
Keyboard86
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Hi Keyboard,
You keep insisting on this point... I know there was another Sarah (Instone), besides Sarah Whitehouse, in the marriage indexes for Dudley MAR 1844...
If you want to purchase the certificate, you have my blessings! ;D
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;D Not my family or tree but thanks for the offer, you seem adverse to buying any certificates whether the birth of possibly the correct Peter Webb 1847 or the potential marriage of his father Peter marrying a Sarah Whitehouse?
Are you expecting someone to miraculously summon up the above certificates by finding parish records or blindly continue hoping the census will throw up all of your answers?!
Keyboard86
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chr1st1an is abreast of the future- He knows a lot. ;) But so do I ;D
Whats coming as link -Gov ~ Deregulation
http://www.sog.org.uk/news/article/gro-information-on-births-marriages-and-death-doesnt-have-to-on-expensive-c
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Hi dobfarm! :D
Nice to see you again!!! and thank you for that interesting article!
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Hi again wondering if this could be the Sarah Whitehouse who possibly married a Peter Webb in 1851:-
Sarah Webb 26 Married b Tipton
John 6 months b Tipton
William B 3 months?? b Sedgley
Residing with a John/Mary Boyle
New Dock, Dudley
Census ref HO107/2032/515/47
Keyboard86
MARRIAGE
MAR qtr 1877, Wolverhampton
William Broadhurst WEBB
6b 626
(Source: FreeBMD)
Can anyone find name of his father from this?
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That is the problem with that 1851 family, if indeed William B was William Broadhurst Webb as his baptism looks to be 5th January 1851 Kingswinford & St Marys Chapelery Father William Piggott Webb Mothrr Maria Lay
Keyboard86
John aged 6 months William B 3 months?
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Good morning, Keyboard!
So that discards William Broadhurst...
I've search for "Peter Webb Miner" in the census and you can find one (the father of Hezekiah) in 1841, 1851 and 1861. So unless this man had a double life I discard him too.
Now, if I continue the search to 1871 an interesting thing appears:
Peter Webb Miner living as a boarder with Benjamin Annoy 39 Labourer.
Peter is stated as been 21 and born in Tipton... very good so far! :)
But what has really made me smile was the addres: 133 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley...
and do you know who lived at 102 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley?
Enoch Eaton and his wife Diana Eaton! :D
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Here is another mystery...
I can easily find Enoch and Dianah Eaton living at the same address at Sedgley (in 1871,1881 and 1891), but they seem to disappear completely and I can't find none of them in 1901 or afterwards. :(
Can anyone try to locate them, please!
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Might this be their son Jonathan
Jonathan Eaton Age 23 Birth year 1878
Nationality English
Residence Dickenfield
Departure port Liverpool
Arrival year 1901
Arrival place New York
Ship name Oceanic
Record set New York City Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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Thank you!!!
Are his parents on the passenger list?
I also can't place Dickenfield...
A link to an article on RMS Oceanic:
http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Hagberg/oceanic.html
:)
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Thank you!!!
Are his parents on the passenger list?
I also can't place Dickenfield...
That was just the Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription - have just found this
entry to view
JOHNATHAN EATON
Gender Male
Age ADULT
Marital status S
Occupation LAB
Departure year 1901
Departure day 13
Departure month 3
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Ship name OCEANIC
Ship master's first name J G Ship master's last name CAMERON City LIVERPOOL
Ship registered tonnage 6966
Number of passengers 938
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
sorry there are no other Eaton's :(
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The Eaton's (Enoch, Dianah and the kids) where living at:
102 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley in 1871,
101 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley in 1881 and 1891,
but in 1901 a different family was living at 101 High Street, so they must have moved somewhere...
I see a marriage of (an) Abraham Eaton JUN qtr 1898 at Ashton. Checking the List of Places in Ashton under Lyne Registration District one familiar name came up: Duckinfield. This is the place Jonathan Eaton arriving at New York in 1901 says he is from.
Can anyone find Enoch Eaton or Dianah Eaton in Duckinfield, or the name of the groom's father in that marriage? Thanks!
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Abraham Eaton (son of Enoch and Diana) did marry in Ashton! :D
I find him and his wife Fanny Eaton (nee Smith) in the 1911 census living at Newport.
Their first daughter, also named Fanny, was born in Duckinfield.
So at least 2 sons moved from Sedgley to Duckinfield after 1891.
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28 May 1898 - St John, Duckinfield (FindMyPast)
Abraham Eaton 27 bachelor Forgeman of 12 Vicarage Street. Father: Enoch - Collier
Fanny Smith 25 spinsterof 12 Vicarage Street. Father: Benjamin - Forgeman
Witnesses: Jonathan Eaton and Sarah Smith
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So where did Enoch and Diana Eaton die? ???
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Hi again wondering if this could be the Sarah Whitehouse who possibly married a Peter Webb in 1851:-
Sarah Webb 26 Married b Tipton
John 6 months b Tipton
William B 3 months?? b Sedgley
Residing with a John/Mary Boyle
New Dock, Dudley
Census ref HO107/2032/515/47
Keyboard86
Hi again, possibly not a sister ( if Sarah is a Whitehouse) could be a relative, but with this family in 1851 were a William Guest and Jane Guest with son William b 1850 Dudley, William Guest married a Jane Whitehouse 16th September 1849 St Edmund's, Dudley?
Keyboard86
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So where did Enoch and Diana Eaton die? ???
Here is a list of all their kids and dates of birth (all born at Sedgley, DUDLEY):
1856 DEC qtr. - Sarah Jane EATON
1859 JUN qtr. - William
1864 MAR qtr. - John
1866 JUN qtr. - Enoch
? ? ? - Emma or Emily (?)
1870 DEC qtr. - Abraham
1873 MAR qtr. - Susannah
1875 JUN qtr. - Thomas
1877 DEC qtr. - Jonathan
Next would be to find all the marriages...
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Hi again, a Susan Eaton appears to marry a Joseph Matthews Sept qtr 1896 Ashton 8d 825, in 1901 a Susannah Matthews 28 b Tipton ( showing single)? and an Ethel Matthews aged 4 b Stalybridge are visitors to an Isaac/Ann Whitehouse and family at 16, Queen Street, Coseley, Sedgeley, Staffs
Census Ref RG13/2742/22/3
Marriage 15th August 1896 St John's Chapelry, Dukinfield Joseph Matthews 23 Susan Eaton 23 Father's Joseph Matthews Enoch Eaton
Keyboard86
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There is also this MARRIAGE:
MAR qtr. 1895
Susannah EATON
Stoke T. (6b 171)
but I can't confirm it... ???
Keyboard86, I think you've got the right one! (is in Dukinfield, father's name Enoch Eaton, and the age 23 is also correct)
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The Eaton's (Enoch, Dianah and the kids) where living at:
102 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley in 1871,
101 High Street, Brierley, Sedgley in 1881 and 1891,
In 1881, at number 102 High Street - Brierley - Sedgley, were living John and Sarah WHITEHOUSE,
both 72 years old, born at Tipton, him (a) Coal Miner Unemployed.
Most probably this couple were Dianah Eaton's parents.
I found this by chance trying to stablish if Enoch and Dianah's daughter was called Emma or Emily EATON? In 1881 it clearly says Emily Eaton.
Idea (!): Could Dukinfield Cemetery's records show how many Eaton(s) are buried there?
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I found a death of son John EATON (20), DEC qtr. 1883 at Dudley 6c 100 (FreeBMD).
And a marriage of William EATON to Maria BAILEY, JUN qtr. 1882 at Dudley 6c 22 (FreeBMD).
Once again this family appears in the 1891 Census: living at 4 Lome Street, Sedgley; but nowhere to be seen in 1901...
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Hi again, Sarah Jane Eaton marries a Thomas Henry Vincent 13th May 1877 Coseley ( No fathers shown)?
Keyboard86
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Thomas and Sarah Jane VINCENT living at:
64 Albert Street, Sedgley in 1881
94 High Street, Sedgley in 1891 (same street as parents Enoch and Dianah)
in 1901... missing!
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Hi again, in 1901 the Vincent family were at Cape Inn, 45, Hall Street, Tipton
Census Ref RG13/2734/70/32
Also the death of Diannah looks to be June qtr 1897 Ashton 8d 426 as Dinah Eaton aged 60
Enoch Eaton jnr is also in The United States he arrives 8th August 1891 Liverpool to New York on Vessel Alaska, Jonathan showed him as his point of contact on his voyage, Enoch on the US Social Security Application & Claims Index states birth 30th March 1867? in 1937 and 30th March 1868 in 1946 parents shown as Enoch Eaton & Diana Whitehouse
Keyboard86
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Congratulations Keyboard! :)
The only children left are Emily Eaton born around 1867-1869, and Thomas Eaton JUN qtr.1875.
The 1871 staffordshire census also says "Emily" Eaton born at Princes End, 2 years of age.
Not to be confused with (the) Emily Eaton daughter of Robert and Emily Poole (nee Eaton).
[Emily EATON born SEP qtr. 1968 at Hemsworth 9c 122]
This second Emily is living with her mother, widow in 1871, at Featherstone, and she is 1 year old.
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I have found a marriage of Emily Eaton DEC qtr.1889 at Dudley 6c 8, to either Sydney MARTIN or Abraham TAYLOR.
And also: in the 1891 Staffordshire Census, an Emily Smith (23) born in Sedgley, wife of Frederick SMITH, are living at 38 High Street, Sedgley.
Could one of these be Enoch and Dianah's daughter? ???
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Death JUN qtr.1895
Thomas Eaton (20) at Dudley 6c 33.
Confirmed with freereg2.freereg.org.uk:
Thomas Eaton, aged 20, buried at Christchurch (Coseley)
Date: 11 Apr 1895
Abode: 101 High Street, Princes End
Hypothesis: Maybe after this death, they moved to Dukinfield?... There Susannah and then Abraham married, and youngest son, Jonathan, departed to America.
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I finally found Enoch:
DEATH JUN qtr.1900
Enoch "HEATON" 61, Ashton, 8d 439.
So I guess that confirms the death of Dianah (that Keyboard found)
...Also the death of Diannah looks to be June qtr 1897 Ashton 8d 426 as Dinah Eaton aged 60
Keyboard86
Shall we move on, and start on Emily's first husband Robert Poole? :D
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Hi again wondering if this could be the Sarah Whitehouse who possibly married a Peter Webb in 1851:-
Sarah Webb 26 Married b Tipton
John 6 months b Tipton
William B 3 months?? b Sedgley
Residing with a John/Mary Boyle
New Dock, Dudley
Census ref HO107/2032/515/47
Keyboard86
Hi again, possibly not a sister ( if Sarah is a Whitehouse) could be a relative, but with this family in 1851 were a William Guest and Jane Guest with son William b 1850 Dudley, William Guest married a Jane Whitehouse 16th September 1849 St Edmund's, Dudley?
Keyboard86
:) Wish we could clear this one up first?!
Keyboard86
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Honestly, that's too deep for me! :-[
I leave it to the ancestry experts as yourself! ;)
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Robert Poole (sometimes writen Pool) doesn't appear in the 1871 census since he died in December 1870.
In the 1861 Staffordshire census:
Robert Pool 27 (b.1834) Head Coal Miner
Emily Pool 24 (b.1837) Wife
Abraham Pool 4 (b.1857) Son
Susannah Griffiths 24 (b.1837) Sister in law
Benjamin Griffiths 4 (b.1857) Nephew Scholar
William Griffiths 2 (b.1859) Nephew
All born at Sedgley. Address: 64 High Street.
How can Susannah Griffiths be sister in law to Robert Pool? In any case, she must have been Robert's sister...
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MARRIAGE
JUN qtr.1854 at Dudley district:
William GRIFFITHS
"Susanna POOL"
(FreeBMD)
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1841 Census - HO107/998/12 folio 39 page 23/24 (dreadful image) - Skidmore Row, Sedgley
Benjamin Pool - 25 - ? Coal
Sophia - 25
Robert - 7
Sachana (?) - 4
Phebe - 2
Thomas - 2 months
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All Benjamin and Sophia Poole's kids (and years of birth according to census):
Robert 1834/35
Susannah 1837
Phebe 1839
Thomas 1841/42 later a "Pudler" or puddler
Martha 1848
Sarah 1851/52
Isaac 1853 another puddler
Eliza 1857
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Can anyone please find Benjamin and Sophia's marriage, and if possible baptism for both of them?
Thanks!
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The marriage is on familysearch ;D ;)
https://familysearch.org/search
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MARRIAGE
4 March 1833
Benjamin POOL, bachelor, living at Sedgley
Sophia WHITEHOUSE, spinster, also living at Sedgley
Both signed with an X.
(Source: freereg2.freereg.org.uk)
From the census, Benjamin was born at Madeley (Shropshire) and Sophia in Birmingham (Warwickshire). And the year of birth going from 1811 to 1819, but most probably being 1816 since that is what they stated in the 1841 census...
[Note: I still think that a person who didn't know how to read, would not know his/her age... Any ideas on this subject would be appreciated].
By the way, they also lived at High Street, Sedgley: at number 38 in 1871, and at number 120 in 1881.
Can anyone find the baptism of either Benjamin Poole or Sophia Whitehouse?
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Remember ages are rounded in the 1841 census down to the nearest 5 (thats why you see lots of years of birth in the transcrptions ending in a 1 or a 6, because the ages given end in a 5 or a 0)
So that is the least reliable census for years of birth.
If the couple married in 1833, they are unlikely to have been born after 1817.
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DEATHS/BURIALS
Benjamin POOLE died the 24 Dec.1882, aged 73, Christchurch;
Sophia POOLE died MAR qtr. 1884 DUDLEY, aged 73;
another 2 deaths I've found are:
Phebe POOLE died SEP qtr. 1845 DUDLEY, aprox. age 6;
ELIZA POOLE died MAR qtr. 1865 DUDLEY, aprox. age 8.
(both were daughters of Benjamin and Sophia)
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Emily's children:
With first husband Robert Poole (1854-1870):
Abraham Pool, b. JUN 1857 Sedgley (Dudley)
Thomas Pool, b. MAR 1862 Sedgley (Dudley)
Samuel Joseph Pool, b. SEP 1864 Sedgley (Dudley)
John Pool, b. MAR 1867 (Durham) [this one doesn't match the censuses]
Emily Pool, b. JUN 1869 Featherstone (Pontefract)
With second husband Peter Webb (1872-1905):
Joseph or Joseph William Webb, b. at Featherstone (according to censuses) date unknown
Elijah Webb, b. SEP 1876 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Sarah Jane Webb, b. MAR 1879 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Eliza Twigger Webb, b. DEC 1880 Ryhill (Hemsworth)
David William Webb, b. JUN 1883 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Peter Webb, b. JUN 1883 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Can anyone please help me find the correct names and dates for those two (in red)?
Thanks! :)
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Joseph or Joseph William Webb, b. at Featherstone (according to censuses) date unknown
Elijah Webb[/b], b. SEP 1876 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Sarah Jane Webb[/b], b. MAR 1879 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Eliza Twigger Webb[/b], b. DEC 1880 Ryhill (Hemsworth)
David William Webb[/b], b. JUN 1883 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Peter Webb[/b], b. JUN 1883 Featherstone (Pontefract)
Can anyone please help me find the correct names and dates for those two (in red)?
1881 census gives Joseph Webb birth year c1873 Pontefract
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQF5-BQM
His christening date 19 Oct 1873 Featherstone parents Peter & Emily
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTHP-G2Y
Not sure about this entry on FreeBMD might be his :-\
Births (FreeBMD)
Mar 1873 Pontefract vol 9c page 94
Joseph William P WEBB
Featherstone is in the registration district of Pontefract
These are the only other birth entries I can see on FreeBMD for 1873
Mar qtr. Wortley Joseph Webb
Mar qtr. Halifax Joseph William Webb death 1874 Halifax
If you don't have them on familysearch.org theres also christenings at Featherstone
for Elijah, Sarah Jane (Pontefract) , Eliza (ch Ryhill), Peter & David William Webb parents
Peter & Emily
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Joseph or Joseph William Webb, b. at Featherstone (according to censuses) date unknown
1881 census gives Joseph Webb birth year c1873 Pontefract
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQF5-BQM
His christening date 19 Oct 1873 Featherstone parents Peter & Emily
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTHP-G2Y
Thank you for providing so much information! :)
Does the christening state parents' abode?
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As is usual with Family Search - NO >:( As I'm sure you can see for yourself ;)
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I can't see for myself :'( (I'm not a member of familysearch).
Maybe when I get to him (Joseph Webb), the marriage or the census will clarify his forename.
As for the date of birth, I will accept 1873. :)
About John Pool born in Durham, one of the censuses says Lince Green or Lintz Green, Durham. And Wikipedia says that Lintz Green was a railway station which opened with the rest of the line on 2 December 1867. ??? Does this make sense to anybody?
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You don't have to be a member of Family Search to view their records - I'm certainly not a member. Just go onto the website, select Search, then Records, then Location (map of the world appears), click on the British Isles, which will then ask you for a particular country. Alternatively click on the link provided by ladyhawk.
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I can't see for myself :'( (I'm not a member of familysearch).
Here's the link to search https://familysearch.org/search
Eliza Twigger Webb marriage details also on family search
About John Pool born in Durham, one of the censuses says Lince Green or Lintz Green, Durham.
1901 gives pob Lintz Green Durham
From family search John's pob given as Staffordshire 1871c & Durham 1881c :-\
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZGG-DMT
John POOLE born c1867 Staffordshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQFB-4GP
John POOL born c 1866 Durham
There are these two birth entries (FreeBMD)
Sep 1866 Dudley vol 6c page 135
John POOLE
Mar 1867 Durham vol 10a page 300
John POOL
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Thanks Ladyhawk! :)
At first I also thought that Durham might had been a transcript error of Dudley, but seeing Durham stated so many times I think the boy was born at Durham Co.
But I see nothing in Lintz Green (a couple of roads that intersect, the river, and the railroad, and a nearby colliery where father Robert Poole might have worked (Hamsterley Colliery).
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At first I also thought that Durham might had been a transcript error of Dudley, but seeing Durham stated so many times I think the boy was born at Durham Co.
But I see nothing in Lintz Green (a couple of roads that intersect, the river, and the railroad, and a nearby colliery where father Robert Poole might have worked (Hamsterley Colliery).
In 1870-72, John Marius Wilson's Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales described......
LINTZ-GREEN, a township in Tanfield chapelry, Chester-le-Street parish, Durham; on the river Derwent
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/25859
TANFIELD, a village, a chapelry, and a sub-district, in the district and county of Durham.
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The chapelry includes Beamish and Lintz-green township, and is in Chester-le-Street parish
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/411
Mar 1867 Durham vol 10a page 300
John POOL
TANFIELD is in the registration district of Durham so possibly the above is John's birth entry you would need to check the b/c to confirm parents names
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A friend of mine suggested that John Pool might have been born in the last quarter of 1866 and then registered in MAR qtr. 1867 at Durham Co.
Thank you also for the marriage details of Eliza Twigger Webb. I have started the search for all Emily's children marriages. Here they are in the order the brothers and sisters were born (not the marriage year):
Abraham POOL + Mary Jane PRICE (DEC 1879 PONTEFRACT)
Thomas POOL + Hannah PRIKE (JUN 1885 WAKEFIELD)
Samuel Joseph POOL + Catherine FOSTER (MAR 1884 WAKEFIELD)
...and years later + Emily Jane DAY (DEC 1909 ECCLESALL B.)
John POOL + Mary Jane APPLEBY (JUN 1889 WAKEFIELD)
Emily POOL + Josiah LEAVESLEY (DEC 1888 PONTEFRACT)
Any help to find the remaining marriages would be hugely appreciated! Thanks!!!
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About Elijah Webb:
In 1901 he was living with his parents Emily and Peter Webb. Age: 24, Occupation: Coal Miner Hewer. Single or Not married.
In 1911 he was living with sister Sarah Jane and husband Frederick Shaw. Age: 34. Single.
Occ: None, and the census says "cripple". :(
DEATH DEC 1911 Pontefract
Elijah WEBB (35) :'(
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Remaining marriages of Emily's children:
Elijah WEBB - Never married
Sarah Jane WEBB + Frederick SHAW (JUN 1898 PONTEFRACT)
Eliza Twigger WEBB + Leonard PARKER (DEC 1900 PONTEFRACT)
David William WEBB + Letitia CANEY (DEC 1909 PONTEFRACT)
Peter WEBB + Esther Annie ROBERTSON (JUN 1911 PONTEFRACT)
The only one left is Joseph (or Joseph William) Webb, born 1873 Featherstone...
In 1911 he is a Boarder at 92 Featherstone Square, Single, 37, Coal Miner Hewer...
Can anyone please help me find his marriage (is there was one)?
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My apologies - but have you got Peter Webb's birth certificate or baptism, or his father Peter's marriage? It's all getting a bit vague :o Or perhaps it's just me 8)
Perhaps the free access to Ancestry this weekend may allow you to do some of this hunting for yourself :) ;)
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Have you got her marriage certificates for her Father's name?
If you know so little about her, how is she related to you?
My apologies - but have you got Peter Webb's birth certificate or baptism, or his father Peter's marriage?
It's all getting a bit vague :o Or perhaps it's just me 8)
If you haven't purchased any certificates they can be ordered from GRO - here's the link https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
each certificate costs £9.25
Perhaps the free access to Ancestry this weekend may allow you to do some of this hunting for yourself :) ;)
That's good to know BumbleB - received a PM from chr1st1an (20/8) saying they didn't have access to Ancestry ;)
For info.
Access to the records will be free from 28 August until 11:59 p.m. GMT on 31 August 2015.
You will need to register for free with Ancestry.co.uk with your name and email address.
You will then be sent a username and password to access the records.
After the free access period ends you will need a paid membership to view records in the collection.
The only one left is Joseph (or Joseph William) Webb, born 1873 Featherstone...
In 1911 he is a Boarder at 92 Featherstone Square, Single, 37, Coal Miner Hewer...
Can anyone please help me find his marriage (is there was one)?
Have you considered the 1917 Pontefract entry on FreeBMD?
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Thank you Ladyhawk! :D
About Ancestry, let's say I register this weekend... what can I look for in that site?
In example, regarding Peter Webb's birth or baptism, or his parents marriage?
What's on Ancenstry which isn't on the indexes?
If someone can enlighten me on this subject I would be very grateful.
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You can search Ancestry, even without a subscription, you just won't be able to view the images or transcriptions. So just go onto the site and look at it, make a list of possibilities, and then use the free weekend to look at the results.
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Have you considered the 1917 Pontefract entry on FreeBMD?
The father's name of this Joseph Webb is John Thomas Webb so this marriage JUN 1917 Pontefract is not the one we are looking for.
Maybe if we could find where did Joseph Webb (son of Peter) die, we could look in the same area for possible marriages...
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You've got your chance this weekend - good luck!! :)
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I didn't find any satisfactory marriage or death entry for Joseph Webb in the indexes.
Ancestry has only a reference to Joseph Webb in the 1881 census.
I could also wait until the 1921 Census is available!... ;D
In the meantime, this research on Emily Eaton's life I feel is completed.
Out of her 11 sons and daughters, 9 got married and had children amounting to 57 grandchildren!
"Not much", some will say, but a huge amount on my standards ;)
But if anyone thinks I'm going to list all the 57 names, they must be "crazy"!
Just a curiosity: out of those 57 grandchildren, 5 were named Emily.
Finally, I want to thank everyone who has helped and collaborated on this research,
and I hope it's been for you as enjoyable as it has been for me! :D
A million thanks!!!
chr1st1an