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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: mazbonks on Sunday 09 August 15 15:13 BST (UK)
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A long shot I'm sure but someone may be looking for him! I have just transcribed a letter from the Alexeevsky Mental Hospital in Poctrayni (Russia?) to Dublin Castle dated 18th Feb 1916 regarding a John Casey. John is described as being age 32, an unmarried 'Domestic Teacher/Tutor' born in County Mayo Ireland and suffering from 'the Early stages of Brain Weakening'. He was taken to the hospital by the Chaplain of the English Church and they had no record of any family to support him. There must be an amazing story here for someone's family tree!
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Hiya...I am in search of a John Casey born Abt 1900-1910? very possibly from ireland and even mayo.i did a DNA test and it came back nearly 80% irish and region in ireland Connacht..or if i can try and help you find who your John Casey belonged to :)
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Welcome to RootsChat
Have you got any more information on the John Casey you are looking for Galway Girl, if you know who he married or have his parent's names his birth and marriage (if in Ireland) certs is probably on line on IrishGenelogy.
John Casey is too common a name to search for without more information.
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The only other info i have is he had a son called James Peter Terence Casey born abt 1929..john Bernard was a Coal Miner in the 1950's and retired by 1969.me and mum have both taken DNA tests to try help find our mystery caseys
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The only other info i have is he had a son called James Peter Terence Casey born abt 1929..john Bernard was a Coal Miner in the 1950's and retired by 1969.me and mum have both taken DNA tests to try help find our mystery caseys
Where were these people living?
Is John Bernard the John Casey you say was born 1900-1910?
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Yes the John is John Bernard casey is james father who is named on James P T Caseys marriage cert to my Grandmother in 1955 in London uk..
it says He was a coal miner,also on James 2nd marriage in Preston Lancashire in 1969 it says coal miner retired john bernard casey..based on the 2 marriage certs for James P T Casey he was born about 1929..he is named on my mums birth cert 1956 and her brothers in 1957.there are 3-4 electorals on ancestry and that is it...i have spent over 13 years searching and my mum has been trying to find one single person or casey she is related to for over 40 years! DNA was/is our last hope..all mums Maternal line that i have found are from in and around london going back a long way.mum has a lot of matches on Ancestry which i than uploaded to Gedmatch and FTDNA and MyHeritage..i dont understand how to build mirror trees. at lost dot com and abouts to throw the towel in Lol x thanks for reading and Replying
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First I wouldn't put too much store in the DNA linking to Connacht, Ancestry only lists Ulster, Munster and Connacht as regions in Ireland because that is where most of the emigrants came from and their decedents are the main (Irish) people doing DNA tests, they also give me as Connacht and my lot are Leinster for centuries but Ancestry has no DNA data base for Leinster so doesn't even list it.
Doesn't mean your family aren't from Connacht just don't be surprised if it turns out they were not.
Do you know where James P T Casey was born? Ireland or the UK?
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Were your grandparents married in a church? especially a Catholic Church?
If James was born and baptised in a different parish he would require a letter of freedom.
This comes from his original parish and often includes more information than a civil record e.g. the mother's maiden name.
If not already done so I would contact the church for more information if relevant
There is a father and son in Seaton Valley Northumberland on the 1939 register that I wonder have you looked at. John Casey was born Nov 01 1877 and James Casey Jan 06 1929.
John Casey is shown as a "Colliery Shifter Below"
A James Casey with this date of birth died in 1989
Civil Ref: Lambeth, Greater London Sep 1989 aged 60; Volume 14 Page 347
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Sorry meant to say regarding the DNA mums came back 45% irish welsh/scottish with her community in Ulster which is a long way away from all her maternal line so i was hopin to start there but it is nearly impossible as it is such a common name..
When james married my grandmother it was in a Registry office :( and his 2nd marriage was also a registry office...
The 2nd marriage in preston in 1969..it took me years to track down his wife to discover Elizabeth had passed away in 2010.i ordered a copy of her death cert which said wasnt married but i am 100% it is the same woman.her sister was informant on the DC so i found her daughter or granddaughter and messaged giving the details i had and she said Yes that all sounds correct But once i sent a copy of the marriage cert to her she said sorry i didnt know my sister was ever married i cant help,goodbye
i waited a few weeks months to let the dust settle and contacted her again as my intention is Not to Upset Anybody!! i asked her if she remembered james casey being a friend of Elizabeth's and she said she did not know the name but that elizabeth used to go out and visit regularly with a man named Jimmy!!
I asked her if she could remember was he irish or from london or even australia? she said she couldnt remember and that he had died years ago and sorry goodbye.....that was the end of that...i than decided as Preston Lancashire was 100% the last place he was in 1969 and i have the address.i decided to contact the local newspaper there which i did and they ran my story appeal..not 1 word back ever....i also contacted the salvation army a few years ago and they originally thought our James casey was the same one you found in the 1939 register as the same DOB...i ordered his death cert from 1989 lambeth and it has no middle initials and no occupation it says Date and place of birth 6th Jan 1929 Newcastle
i have contacted the BMD in newcastle 3 times in the last 5 years and applied for james casey birth certs with that DOB and they say they cannot find him :-( and they searched +- 5 yrs...the john casey with him in 1939 is born 1877 i think if i remember and i found a john casey with his exact DOB born in Tyrone Ireland but cannot make a connection as again name so common...i am still trying to find that john caseys death from the 1939 register...Thanks Everyone for your cemments and help i really appreciate it :)
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Also if i could get to the Harris library in Preston i could check the electoral which is not available online but i found out i have to do it in person! i was born in london but have lived in ireland since 1978..another dead end
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Long shot
There is a John Casey born 1 Nov 1877 in Tyrone
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096095.pdf
well it looks more like Carey but it's transcribed as Casey perhaps if RC we could find a baptism and it might have a marriage note......
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Long shot
There is a John Casey born 1 Nov 1877 in Tyrone
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096095.pdf
well it looks more like Carey but it's transcribed as Casey perhaps if RC we could find a baptism and it might have a marriage note......
He is still with his mother in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Tullyniskane/Aghakinsallagh_Glebe/866285/
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And he married later that year
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09955/5619551.pdf
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Long shot
There is a John Casey born 1 Nov 1877 in Tyrone
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096095.pdf
well it looks more like Carey but it's transcribed as Casey perhaps if RC we could find a baptism and it might have a marriage note......
I have found his baptism MMN Cullen i think how can i post it or share the link!? Sorry newish to this site or how to ply to each post individually?
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Just Copy and Paste what is in Address bar
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http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=767366&type=bcv&recordCentre=tyronefermanagh&page=1
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http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/view_detail.php?recordid=1176369&type=bch&recordCentre=tyronefermanagh&page=1
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Name: John Casey Date of Birth: 01-Nov-1877
Date of Baptism: 23-Nov-1877
Address: Mullaghateaga Parish/District: COALISLAND
Gender: Male County TYRONE
Father: John Casey Mother: Teresa Cullin
Occupation: Dealer
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John
Mullaghateaga Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:
Notes:
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It doesn't really matter now as he married in Ireland I was hoping he might have moved to the UK and married James' mother.
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On the marriage cert though nice coincidence his dad is also john and hers is Bernard..could they have had a son john who was my james father?? i am going to check my matches for cullen and finnegan
I would LOVE to be able to rule this john and james out for once and for all somehow thanks so much for the help
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I think it seems unlikely that this is the right John Casey but who knows :)
Child Alice born 1915 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01371/1565031.pdf
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It is possible they are James' parents, it was just the marriage didn't happen in the UK makes it a little more difficult. It's still worth looking for James born in Ireland or UK with a mother's name of Cullen.
Meant to say don't expect the second names particularly in an index.
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Mums closest dna matches are a 1st to 2nd cousin from the uk who is in his 60's surname McDonald who hasnt replied yet in 2 months.. and a man in his 40s from the bronx new york?!! who has replied many times and is more than willing to help :-) he has newcastle upon tyne in his family areas and northern ireland and welsh and scottish just to make it easy.he is mums 3rd cousin with a 3.4 on Gedmatch with her and matches me but Not mums half brother so i know he is somehow linked x
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I am getting confused, I think.
I was looking for a mmn for Finnegan for James :-\
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Mums closest dna matches are a 1st to 2nd cousin from the uk who is in his 60's surname McDonald who hasnt replied yet in 2 months.. and a man in his 40s from the bronx new york?!! who has replied many times and is more than willing to help :-) he has newcastle upon tyne in his family areas and northern ireland and welsh and scottish just to make it easy.he is mums 3rd cousin with a 3.4 on Gedmatch with her and matches me but Not mums half brother so i know he is somehow linked x
Has the willing helper got Casey in his ancestry?
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I am getting confused, I think.
I was looking for a mmn for Finnegan for James :-\
sorry my fault, John's mother was Cullen wasn't it?
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Sorry if I have missed it but do you know if James has died? If so, where?
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yes john casey born 1877 MMN Cullen/Cullin and he married a Teresa Finnigan/Finnegan in 1911
Heywood the more than willing 3rd cousin has No casey at all and i think his tree may be a little off as when i checked all his irish family births with what he has none of them match up :-( but its hard to tell someone who is helping you that his tree is wrong or his dates are wrong x
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Sorry if I have missed it but do you know if James has died? If so, where?
no i don't know that my james has died,just that when the salvation army did their search years ago they came back with sorry it appears he has died and you should order this james casey death cert from 1989 lambeth..i did and their is nothing conclusive on it so i asked them to look again and they came back with nothing only Maybe he wasn't our james at all..this was before i found that james and john on the 1939 register this was a years ago....carla
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The 2nd marriage in preston in 1969..it took me years to track down his wife to discover Elizabeth had passed away in 2010.i ordered a copy of her death cert which said wasnt married but i am 100% it is the same woman.her sister was informant on the DC so i found her daughter or granddaughter and messaged giving the details i had and she said Yes that all sounds correct But once i sent a copy of the marriage cert to her she said sorry i didnt know my sister was ever married i cant help,goodbye
i waited a few weeks months to let the dust settle and contacted her again as my intention is Not to Upset Anybody!! i asked her if she remembered james casey being a friend of Elizabeth's and she said she did not know the name but that elizabeth used to go out and visit regularly with a man named Jimmy!!
Was this death not as Elizabeth Casey but her previous name ???
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Elizabeth's death was registered under Dickinson Not Casey?!! so i thought maybe i had the wrong woman but others have looked into it and it is the same woman who married my grandfather james casey..i cant find children for the couple which i thought strange as james was a lot older than elizabeth but still no kids? maybe james was a Bigamist?? when he marries elizabeth it says "Previous Marriage Dissolved" my grandmother and james for whatever Unknown reason must have split up by 1959 as she is living with another man and that is a whole epic story in itself!! but she is with another man and had 3 kids with him took his surname even though they Never married..so i have an expensive option of trying to order a divorce record from uk if it even exists?!! but because i don't know when or where it happened i have to pay over 100 pounds for them to do a 10 year search 1959-1969...as i have tried so many things over the years i might have to bite the bullet and try as little options left until mum gets a closer paternal match x
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That James falls into the period covered by data protection makes it very difficult to search for him, then add the common name and uncertainty as to where he was born and it's a maze.
Is there any chance of employees records from the time he first married?
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That James falls into the period covered by data protection makes it very difficult to search for him, then add the common name and uncertainty as to where he was born and it's a maze.
Is there any chance of employees records from the time he first married?
I havent looked into that as on mums birth cert and his first marriage it just says Labourer :-( But on his 2nd marriage it says Auto Engineer setter?? i dont know what that means and i have googled it a few times but have no definite answer..sorry i wish i had more info to go on
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Sorry more questions.
I can’t see a death for Elizabeth in Preston - where did she die? Was her name just Elizabeth or did she have a middle name?
Was James’ age on the marriage certificates? I am just wondering how you know his birth year?
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I have elzabeths death cert which says she died 2nd dec 2010 in preston hospital lancashire But i have just gone to search the indexes so i could send a link and i cant find it on ancestry?? I dont understand why i cant find it but i know i did before as i was able to order her death cert?? no middle name on her marriage or death....my head is wrecked why its not coming up on ancestry?? she was born 1943 in preston
Yes i have both marriage certs and james age on both certs consist with him being born in 1929
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Hello Galway Girl.
This might be a long shot and I may well have it completely wrong, but having read your posts, there's quite a lot of coincidences with my family history.
The background to this is as follows. My Mum was born in 1952 in Preston. My family have lived there for years and are of Irish R.C. heritage. My Gran was young when she had my Mum and was not married. My Mum only new certain details about the past and didn't have the correct surname to search for more details, as there's no fathers name on my Mums birth certificate. It was only a couple of years ago that my Gran told her the following.
My Mums father was an Irish man called John/Jimmy Casey, he was older than my Gran and they lived together for approx 3 years when my Mum was born. It was believed that he had another family in London and another in Preston. Does any of this sound familiar ? I was hoping you may of heard of some of this before. Apologies if I've got this wrong, but we have searched before trying to find answers about the past and it would be great to finally get some information.