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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: AHurle on Monday 10 August 15 11:45 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My great grand aunt Margaret Mary Mariah Hurle born in 1890 in Waterlip, Somerset went to Canada with her husband Silas Albert Fear born 1887 in Ashwick, Somerset.
I have found them on the passenger list.
Silas died in 1949 in Mission City, BC. I have found the registration of death record online and it states that he was buried in Hatzic.
I know that his wife Margaret died in 1997 - I believe it was in Canada but not 100% sure. I believe if she did stay in Canada she probably would have been buried with her husband Silas. They did not have any children.
Is there anyway of finding if Hatzic has any records of Margaret? And does anyone know how to go about finding out if there was ever a headstone for Silas?
Many thanks.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat
Wow, a centenarian - born 1890 and passed away 1997, surely that must be recorded somewhere.
How do you know Margaret passed in 1997 ?
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
My grandfather received a photograph that was sent to him (I think she may have been in a care home by then) on it it states Maggie Fear (Hurle) 1890 - 1997.
But like I said no idea where about she died. We knew that she lived for a long time but didn't realise how long until we saw the picture and figured out who it was!
Alison
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Just noticed another ancestry tree says passed away 1987 - Mendip. Somerset - there is a death registered in Mendip Somerset in 1997 but for a Margaret Fear born 5 March 1895 aged 91 years ::) Must be the nearest entry they could find.
Sandra
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I saw that too and thought it could be her but I would have hoped the person who sent the photograph knew Margaret and wouldn't have wrote 1997 by mistake. ??? I shall keep looking.
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Hi,
District of Mission website has an option to email the Hatzic cemetery clerk, bottom
of the page. Might be worth a try.
http://www.mission.ca/municipal-hall/departments/parks-recreation-culture/cemetery/
Cheers,
DB
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Have you thought of creating a memorial for Silas Albert Fear at Hatzic Cemetery ?
Its explained here - How to submit a photo request. Hope this might helps.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#73
Sandra
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Canada Voters List for Fraser Valley, British Columbia, Canada 1949 only shows Silas Fear - Gardener - no sign of Margaret. Notice Margaret was not the informant on the death certificate - it was a friend ???
Sandra
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Silas Albert Fear appears to have been in Saskatchewan around 1921 , married but without his wife. I found a Margaret M Fear on the 1916 Saskatchewan census who may be the right one , unfortunately she is a patient in the Asylum :
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21941/pdf/31228_4363970-00201.pdf
She is at the same address in 1921.
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Hi,
I wonder how many centenarians there can be named Margaret Fear b. Somerset d. 1997. ???
There is this cemetery record in Saskatchewan, information is not quite correct, but something
to consider.
http://willowbunch.ca/cemetery/cemetery_list.html?LastName=Fear
Cheers,
DB
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Noticed that earlier on FIND A GRAVE DB - close but not quite with the middle name Dorothy ;)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=142140883&ref=acom
Birth Registration went under Margaret Mary M Hurle - Shepton Mallet - 5c 471 - Sept 1890
Sandra
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From the census' that CB53 found, 1916 gives age unknown, 1921 age 29.
So I went with....close...... which equals straws + clutching. ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
DB
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Something about that one, that has kept me hooked - feeling in the old bones, that it could be correct - just that middle name that's not fitting - maybe the submitter has put the wrong middle name ??? There is an e-mail address for him and says "willing to help with any requests for data" - perhaps Alison could try an e-mail to see whether its possible to count this one in or out. ;)
That is also the area Silas Albert was in in 1921 - Assiniboia. He is also listed Assiniboia Saskatchewan, Canada, Residents Index 1914.
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - Silas Fear born 1887 and aged 43 years - LIverpool to St Johns New Brunswick - Duchess of York - returning Canadian - 11 January 1930 - Married - place of birth Nettlebridge - had been in Canada April 1913 - July 1929 - Oshawa Ontario - home to wife Mrs Margaret Fear, 71 Colborne Street, East Oshawa Ontario.
Sandra
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Wonder if this is the same one ? - Canada Voters List 1935 - Silas Fear - Macdonald Manitoba - labourer
Macdonald and Assiniboia seem to be a fair distance apart -
http://www.distance-cities.com/ca/distance-macdonald-mb-to-assiniboia-sk
Sandra
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Thanks for my straws Sandra. ;D ;D
It is close and tempting isn't it. With the age unknown in 1916, makes you think hmmm,
what else was unknown or inferred. The spelling of Summerset bothered me too. Definitely
worth Alison sending along an email.
And....we are now off to Oshawa and Manitoba. Gee Silas gets around.
Cheers,
DB
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Firstly thank you so much Sandra and DB for all this info! It is very much appreciated.
Silas and Margaret got married the same year they went over to Canada. On the 1911 census for Somerset Silas is listed as a engine driver living with a different family as a boarder. Up the road from this address was where Margaret and her family lived. Her brother Oliver was also a engine driver I believe this is probably how they met!
You are right DB it could be Margaret in the Asylum in 1916. I spoke to a member of the Fear family and they told me this "Silas' cousin Clifford Fear emigrated one month before him to Moose Jaw, about 150 miles away in Saskatchewan. He was a farmer".
So the area could be correct for those times.
If the informant on a death certificate isn't the wife I guess that means they weren't around when he died? I suppose it would make sense.
I will email the gentleman on the find a grave site. It seems too like to be different person! Maybe they never added the Mariah bit to her name only the Mary. Wear of gravestones due to weather could have just shown the Y of her middle name and the gentleman could have guessed.
I wonder what happened for Silas to be hopping around Canada. Maybe he was just following his cousin. Looks like he had many jobs though..
Thanks again for all your help! :-*
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Wonder if this is the same one ? - Canada Voters List 1935 - Silas Fear - Macdonald Manitoba - labourer
Macdonald and Assiniboia seem to be a fair distance apart -
http://www.distance-cities.com/ca/distance-macdonald-mb-to-assiniboia-sk
Sandra
If Clifford lived in Macdonald with wife Lillian, that is why Silas was there 1935. Never noticed Clifford and Mrs Clifford Fear were listed next but one to Silas on that voters list. Clifford also arrived 1913.
Wonder if we followed Clifford, would it mention Maggie in any obits ? Maybe not but worth a shot ???
Sandra
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Wonder if the Assiniboia & District Public Library could help with an obituary for Maggie ? This site has a couple of e-mail addresses.
http://www.assiniboia.net/residents/assiniboia_district_public_library.html
Sandra
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If Clifford lived in Macdonald with wife Lillian, that is why Silas was there 1935. Never noticed Clifford and Mrs Clifford Fear were listed next but one to Silas on that voters list. Clifford also arrived 1913.
Wonder if we followed Clifford, would it mention Maggie in any obits ? Maybe not but worth a shot ???
Sandra
Working on finding Clifford. So far, found an obit for his son Leonard... it has a bit of information about Clifford's whereabouts.
Winnipeg Free Press, Sept 20 1997. Leonard Lloyd Norman Fear died on Sept 16, 1997. Had lived in Culross, Manitoba. Born Dec 31 1916, in Assiniboia, Sask - son of Clifford and Lillian Fear. As a boy, he went to school in England for 2 years. Returned to Canada and lived on his parents' farm near Waskada Manitoba until 1929, when they moved to a farm near Culross. Leonard was a farmer all his life. Predeceased by his parents, 2 sisters and one brother. Survived by his wife and 2 sons. Interred in Garry Memorial Park Cemetery, Winnipeg.
Found Clifford's obit too. Winnipeg Free Press June 19, 1970. No mention of Silas or Margaret :'(
Clifford Lewis Fear died on June 17 1970 at the Brandon General Hospital. He was 81. Husband of the late Lillian G Fear of 815-19th St. Brandon Manitoba. Interment in the "family plot", Garry Memorial Park Cemetery, Winnipeg.
Might want to check out the family plot??
RK
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There is also an Alfred Clifford Fear (goes by Cliff) who lived in the Winnipeg Area. He was born in 1917 and died in 1996. Doesn't appear to be related, but the name and location are similar. Could lead us astray if we follow the wrong fellow!! (As I keep reminding myself as I look through the newspapers... make sure I am not reading about the younger man!!)
RK
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Thanks for all this, I have emailed a couple of people from the links and hopefully they will be able to tell me a bit more.
Clifford Fear middle name was Lewis, son of Elisha and Elizabeth. The Fear family is quite big Silas had lots of cousins but it was only him and Clifford that moved over from what I can tell.
I guess once Silas died Maggie probably didn't see Clifford or his family since they were in a different area. I see that Clifford went back to England before coming back to Canada via New York.
Alison
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Great finds RK - Our star super-sleuth strikes again ;D
Alison - Have you checked whether there was an obit for Silas ?
Best Regards
Sandra
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Hee Hee - love the picture. Must admit that I "helped myself" to a copy - she is on my desktop now...for inspiration!!
Looked everywhere for an obit for Silas, but I don't see anything in the papers that I can access. If one can be found in the BC papers, it might be very helpful :)
RK
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Just an update - I did a photo request on findagrave for the Margaret D Fear one that you guys found and got this reply
"We are writing to let you know that a Find A Grave volunteer has reported a problem with your photo request for Margaret Fear.
The general problem they reported is:
I searched the stated plot or section and could not find the grave
They also reported, specifically:
The cemetery records state that Margaret Fear is buried in Plot 7, Block 157, Plan NC but there is no headstone at that location. So, it appears to be an unmarked grave."
I have emailed the cemetery just waiting for more info and I'm pretty sure that this could be her. The details are almost identical to be someone else! Fingers crossed. :)
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Dbreez is very knowledgeable about Canada and came up with a plausible possibility that mental patients weren't allowed to vote in Canada till 1980's. So if Mary remained a patient, she wouldn't appear on the voters lists.
Perhaps with little or few relatives around her, Mary had no money in her estate to pay for a headstone :'( :'(
Sandra
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I see she probably stayed there then if she's not even listed after the 1980s.
When she died my grandfather and his three siblings received money from Margaret, so there must have been something maybe it came from when Silas died. I don't know about Canada but in England it is hard to access wills and probate when they are after the 1950s.
Alison
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We haven't come up with any voters listing for her from 1935 onwards, last sighting appears to be 1921 census.
Did your grandfather or siblings have contact with anyone in Canada ???
Have you got an address for a solicitor you could write to for information ???
Sandra
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Hello Ahurle
Wills are handled separately by each province in the same way BMDs are.
Here is a link that will hopefully give you enough info about obtaining a BC will. Look down the page under deaths and click on application for search of wills notice.
http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/vital-statistics/order-certificates-copies
PB
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Hello just a quick update - I got the obituary for the Margaret D Fear and it is her! The date of birth is two years out and the middle name is wrong but the details all match. I found out Maggie lost a child somewhere between 1913 - 1916 which I believe this was the cause of her being unwell. I wonder if Dorothy was the child's name, her middle names of Mary and Mariah weren't used again after she moved to Canada.
I know someone said that she is still in North Battleford in 1921 on the census, if anyone could post it for me I would like to keep it for my records.
I just wanted to say thanks for all your help and suggestions especially the links you provided me it has really helped me finish Maggie's side of the family ;D
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Provincial Mental Hospital - North Battleford - Saskatchewan 1921
Margaret M Fear - Born 1892 - Married - Imm 1914 - Patient -
There are pages and pages of patients, to numerous to list.
Sandra
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You're welcome. :) Excellent that Margaret has now been found.
Cheers,
DB