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Title: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Thursday 20 August 15 20:20 BST (UK)
I have a photograph of my second great grandmother that must have been taken about 1850. It is unusual in that it is more like a negative and is on glass. It is mounted in a frame. I have not come across anything like this before or since. Does anyone know what kind of photograph this is and is it possible to use it to make a print. Thank you in advance. Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Geoff-E on Thursday 20 August 15 20:28 BST (UK)
http://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/dating/types-of-photograph/
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Thursday 20 August 15 20:34 BST (UK)
Very interesting. Thank you.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Thursday 20 August 15 20:38 BST (UK)
It would appear that it is an Ambrotype photograph. Is there any way that I can get a more recognisable print from it.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 20 August 15 22:52 BST (UK)
Hi Alan...If you scan it at 300dpi and in colour mode and post it here it can be turned into a more positive image for you.
Carol
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Thursday 20 August 15 23:03 BST (UK)
Ok. I shall have a go. Thank you.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Saturday 22 August 15 17:36 BST (UK)
I have had a go at scanning the picture. The best one seems to be when I used a black background. I should be most interested to see what you can do.

Very many thanks.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Saturday 22 August 15 17:45 BST (UK)
This one was done using a different scanner.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Regorian on Saturday 22 August 15 17:49 BST (UK)
Most interesting, will look forward to what the experts make of it.
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Jool on Saturday 22 August 15 18:16 BST (UK)
Hi Alan, It looks very much like an Ambrotype to me.  I have one too, and at first glance I thought it was the same lady in my photo, but comparing the two it's not.

Here's a link to the thread about my ambrotype, with some expert advice.  :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=437314.0
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: japeflakes on Saturday 22 August 15 19:21 BST (UK)
Both ways:
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Saturday 22 August 15 19:28 BST (UK)
Isn't she lovely. Thank you.

Her name is Elizabeth Landon and she was born in Westbury on Severn in 1835.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Saturday 22 August 15 19:36 BST (UK)
Joel,

Very interesting thread. The frame on your picture is identical to mine.

I am so pleased to have a paper copy now as I am always terrified to handle the original.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: jim1 on Sunday 23 August 15 10:26 BST (UK)
You may be interested to know that ambrotypes are in reverse. In this you can see her right hand on display which was the usual pose for a married woman showing her wedding ring. As it's a reverse image it's actually her left hand.
Late 1850's I would say but possibly into the early 1860's.
Probably just after marriage.
This is how she would have posed.
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 10:36 BST (UK)
That is very interesting. Thank you.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 10:39 BST (UK)
If you know someone with Darkroom skills they should be able to print it for you.
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 10:41 BST (UK)
It certainly does look as though she is showing off her left hand. She married in 1865 which would probably have been too late for this image. She looks younger as well. I wonder if she was married before?

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: GUT on Sunday 23 August 15 10:47 BST (UK)
It certainly does look as though she is showing off her left hand. She married in 1865 which would probably have been too late for this image. She looks younger as well. I wonder if she was married before?

Alan

Engagement rungs were not as common as today but a possibility.
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 10:47 BST (UK)
Can you send again without "reversed" on it. Thanks,
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 11:03 BST (UK)
She is shown as being a Spinster at her wedding in 1865. She was 30 but her husband was only 20. Were they still taking this type of photograph in 1865, were they behind the times in deepest Gloucestershire. Interesting how the dead talk to us, possibly in riddles but they are still trying to tell their story.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 11:05 BST (UK)
What would it look like if someone printed it in a darkroom?

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 23 August 15 11:09 BST (UK)
If you modify the Subject line Alan to request a restore then the restorers will work on it for you. I'm busy today but will have a go for you tomorrow.
Carol
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 11:23 BST (UK)
Carol,

Thank you. Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph - Request a Restore
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 11:27 BST (UK)
Wonderful to see what can be done.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Trishanne on Sunday 23 August 15 17:51 BST (UK)
I've managed to lighten it a bit, hope this is better for you, I've reversed it too.
Pat
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Sunday 23 August 15 18:14 BST (UK)
That is magnificent. Thank you.

I think that I can see a wedding ring so it is 1865.

Alan
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: jim1 on Monday 24 August 15 11:19 BST (UK)
Could this be as late as 1865 you ask.
Her dress style wouldn't be particularly out of place in 1865 although fashion had moved on a little from this outfit.
Her hairstyle again is a bit old fashioned as most younger women were now wearing their hair differently.
Ambrotypes were superseded by albumin prints in 1858, commonly called CdeV's but there was an overlap in medium & you can still see ambrotypes from the early 1860's.
I can't recall seeing one as late as 1865.
My view is that it's earlier than that.
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 24 August 15 11:25 BST (UK)
Hi Alan...A clean from me as promised...I agree with Jim and don't see a ring I think it's a mark on the photo.

Carol
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 24 August 15 11:30 BST (UK)
A lighter version for you with a warmer tone.
Carol
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Regorian on Monday 24 August 15 11:37 BST (UK)
Her father was a labourer. Working people did not wear such clothes and did not have such photographs taken of them yet, give it another 20 years. Perhaps she made a good marriage. May we know the name of the man she married?   
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Monday 24 August 15 14:38 BST (UK)
Carol,

Thank you so much. The two pictures are wonderful. You can see much more of her face.

Her father was Thomas Landon but he died in 1835, the same year that Elizabeth was born. He was indeed a labourer. Her mother remarried Thomas James in 1840. Thomas was a fisherman by trade. He had a large family from a previous marriage so I doubt that there was much money in the family.

Elizabeth married Enoch Barnett in 1865, Enoch was 10 years younger than her and was a carpenter by trade. They lived in Staunton, Coleford, Gloucester.

We will probably never know when and why this photograph was taken. She does look younger than thirty and all of the evidence would suggest that it was taken in the 1850's. At first we did wonder if she had married before but we can find no record of this and she did say that she was a spinster in her wedding to Enoch.

Carol, thank you again for bringing this old picture back to life.

Alan

Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 24 August 15 14:45 BST (UK)
Hi Alan...You are very welcome...what a lovely thing to have...I wonder if it could be a 21st Birthday?
Thanks for the background information...I often wonder about the life and personality of the sitter when I restore a photo.

Carol
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: terry h on Tuesday 25 August 15 11:43 BST (UK)
Two late goes.

Terry
Title: Re: Unusual photograph
Post by: mientajb on Tuesday 25 August 15 12:00 BST (UK)
They are lovely. Thank you.

Alan