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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: newmodernist on Friday 21 August 15 21:15 BST (UK)
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All of this info is according to the 1911 census which, as far as I can tell, Thomas filled out himself? The writing on it matches the signature - so it SHOULD be accurate, but I'm not finding anything other information based on this info.
Thomas Heather was born about 1866 in Worthing, Sussex. He married a Kate Mary who was born in Well, Somerset in about 1898. In 1911 they were living at 20 Flood St in London. They were at the same location in the 1901 census.
They had a number of children, at least one of which I think may be from a previous marriage who showed up on the 1901 census, but not the 1911 one.
Bessie (1893)
Thomas (1900)
William Ernest (1901)
Edith Mary (1903)
Emily Harriet (1906)
I'm finding a Bessie Blanche Heather in later years who matches the date of birth, but not the birth location - and I can't find any of the rest of the kids. Any advice?
Cheers!
Amanda Heather (nee Orr)
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The son Thomas born 1900 Peckham I think is in a school in 1911 - just search with his name and DOB.
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William Ernest Heather's death
William Ernest Heather
Birth : 13 Dec 1901
Death Registration: Dec 1975
Age at Death: 74
Lambeth
Volume: 14 Page: 0306
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I'm finding a Bessie Blanche Heather in later years who matches the date of birth, but not the birth location - and I can't find any of the rest of the kids. Any advice?
Cheers!
Amanda Heather (nee Orr)
Bessie Blanche Heather was the daughter of Ernest Heather (occ Wheelwright) & Elizabeth -she appears on 1901 & 1911 with her parents
Suz
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Looks as though their son Lewis was registered as Louis G Heather, Sep qtr 1910 Chelsea. He and William Ernest were with Kate at 58 Jeffreys Rd, Kennington in late-1930s electoral rolls. Kate was at that address by 1929, Edith listed with her.
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Kate is traceable with William Ernest in electoral rolls in Kennington/Lambeth until the mid 1950s. There is a possible death for her as Kate Heather in Lambeth, Sep qtr 1956 aged 83.
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It looks like Louis Gerald was born in the Workhouse
Admission Workhouse Chelsea
27 Aug 1910
Kate Heath b 1872 C of E age 38
Louis Gerald Heather birth
Kate was admitted again 31 Aug 1910 for change of diet
she was moved to Infirmary 4 Sept 1910
Suz
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Yes, Louis' birthdate in the register of 27.8.10 shows he was born on the day of her admission.
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Two girls possibly born as FULLER?
Edith Mary Fuller, Mar qtr 1903 Chelsea
Emily Harriet Fuller, Sep qtr 1905 Chelsea
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Can anyone find their marriage - I can't see it?
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Baptisms, Christ Church, Chelsea
11 Mar 1903: Edith Mary FULLER, dau of Thomas Charles (cabman) and Kate Mary, of 20 Flood St.
02 Aug 1905: Emily Harriet FULLER, dau of Thomas (cab driver) and Kate, of 20 Flood St.
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Thomas Charles Fuller and Kate Mary Brice, Jun qtr 1898 Camberwell.
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So is that just a coincidence or did he change his name?
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So is that just a coincidence or did he change his name?
More than coincidence. The Fuller girls' baptisms show the 20 Flood St address shown for the Heather family in the censuses.
Possible birth for Thomas as Thomas Charles Fuller, Jun qtr 1865 Worthing.
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I think Heather was Thomas' stepfather's surname, his father having died very early in his life.
Thomas Charles Fuller b 1865 was baptised 24.06.1866 at Broadwater by Worthing - son of Felix and Mary.
Felix Fuller then died aged 23 in Sep qtr 1866 Worthing.
Mary Fuller I think remarried in 1874 East Preston district to a Robert Heather.
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Got to be him as there is no Thomas Heather born in Worthing then.
So - they marry as Fuller but are calling themselves Heather in the 1901 and 1911 census. They baptise children as Fuller in 1903 and 1905 but the son as Heather in 1910. It looks as if Thomas was brought up as a Heather but perhaps thought he ought to use his birth name on official documents. Although in 1881 he may be the Thomas Fuller aged 16 born Worthing a boarder at 6 Surrey St Broadwater. It looks as if he may have changed his name to Heather when he moved to London as he is Thomas Heather in 1891.
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Birth reg for Kate Mary Brice, Sep qtr 1871 Wells, Somerset.
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Possible birth registrations for the elder children of the marriage:
Thomas Robert W Fuller, Jun qtr 1899 Chelsea
William Ernest Fuller, Mar qtr 1902 Chelsea
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More baptisms at Christ Church, Chelsea:
28 Jun 1899 Thomas Robert Walter Fuller, born 17 Apr 1899
28 Jun 1899 Florence Elizabeth Ellen Fuller, born 22 Aug 1892 (this must be 'Bessie")
Children of Thomas Charles (Carman) and Kate Mary, of 20 Flood St.
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Possible registration of Florence?
Births Jun 1892
Florence Ellen E Brice
Edmonton 3a 363
Ignore that too early if she was born August 1892.
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1871 census Broadwater
Mary Fuller 29 Head widow Charwoman
Thomas C Fuller 5 son
Florence Fuller 1 daughter
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Possible registration of Florence?
Births Jun 1892
Florence Ellen E Brice
Edmonton 3a 363
Ignore that too early if she was born August 1892.
Big coincidence though. The writing in the baptism register isn't all that clear but it looks more like "Aug" to my eye than anything else. But of course mistakes can always creep in one way or another.
Per 1901 her birthplace was supposed to be Peckham, so likely reg district Camberwell, but I can't see anything likely there.
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1871 census Broadwater
Mary Fuller 29 Head widow Charwoman
Thomas C Fuller 5 son
Florence Fuller 1 daughter
Yes - baby Florence cannot have been fathered by Felix (d. 1866), so Mary must have had another relationship since his death.
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Kate Mary Brice
1871 Jul-Aug-Sep
Wells Somerset
Volume: 5c Page: 542
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Possible registration of Florence?
Births Jun 1892
Florence Ellen E Brice
Edmonton 3a 363
Ignore that too early if she was born August 1892.
Actually we can definitely rule this one out as she dies Dec qtr 1892 Edmonton.
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Maybe this birth then for Bessie:
Elizabeth Ellen F BRICE, Dec qtr 1892 Camberwell.
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Maybe this birth then for Bessie:
Elizabeth Ellen F BRICE, Dec qtr 1892 Camberwell.
That looks a better one
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On line tree has Kate Mary's parents as Robert Brice 1842 – 1887 and Elizabeth Mary Sarah Cardwell
1848 – 1902.
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Off to bed now - newmodernist will get a bit of a surprise when she realises that Thomas was a Fuller not a Heather! ;D ;D
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Indeed :)
One last thing from me for tonight: suggested 1911 free index details for Bessie as Elizabeth Heather,18 born Peckham, in the Chelsea area
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2P-YTG
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Bit like my brother in law's great grandfather who adopted the surname of his step grandfather! Luckily my B in L thought it was a laugh that his name wasn't originally what he thought it was.
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Off to bed now - newmodernist will get a bit of a surprise when she realises that Thomas was a Fuller not a Heather! ;D ;D
A bit of a surprise? A bit?! LOL! It's going to take a while to absorb all of this! I have no idea how you guys did it - but thank you so much I never would've found this out on my own. If any of you would like to explain your process to me, I always love learning. Sometimes I find my research skills need a lot of work.
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Hello, avm will be able to explain how she connected the Fullers with the Heathers, but I think you were lucky that they were in London as there are lots of baptism records on line for there. Often searching with just first names, dates and places of birth produces results. You were also lucky that they gave their children middle names, but the most conclusive evidence is their address, which is the same in both censuses and the baptisms.
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Hello, avm will be able to explain how she connected the Fullers with the Heathers
I was niggled by various things:
The lack of Heather birth registrations for the children other than Louis
The lack of a marriage for Thomas & Kate in the expected names
The lack of a Worthing birth/1871 census entry for a Thomas Heather of the right sort of age
...so on a hunch that another surname might be involved I went hunting for children's birth registrations matching the first name/middle name combinations but leaving out a surname. Finding Fuller births matching time, place and given names for Edith & Emily, I then looked for their baptisms as Fuller, and when they turned up with the 20 Flood St address and father's occupation carman (matching Thomas Heather's address and occupation in the censuses) it all started to fall into place.
As groom says, it would have stayed a hunch had there not been such good London records.
Generally, it is always essential to try to trace birth (and marriage) registrations where they are available. We often see on here people taking an approximate birthdate from a census entry, or an approximate marriage date based on the 1911 census, and leaving it there, but finding those civil registrations can be the key to cracking a puzzle.
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Interesting! So again (this isn't the first time, so you'd think I'd have learned!) my problem is looking using too much information - sometimes it's better to use less. It was a brilliant bit of searching though, thank you!
It's going to be tricky explaining it all to my Heather in-laws though! Hopefully I'll now be able to trace the other children and their potential marriages/issue to see about cousins and such! I wonder if any of the kids went back to Fuller? Hmm..
Thank you again, and thank you for taking the time to explain your process. Everytime someone does that it helps me not have to ask you guys for so much help!