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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Marydoll1952 on Saturday 22 August 15 18:03 BST (UK)
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John Mcdougall was married to my Great Great Grandmother Catherine McKeith. He died in September 1853 or 1858. I cannot find any facts on his death, where, when anything. Looking for any help available. Thanks
Mary
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Hi Mary,
I take it you have seen his MI or have info. from it ???
If he died 1858 it will be recorded on SP Statuatory Deaths.
If 1853 then well it could be but not definite ???
You don't say anything about him ???
Annie
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Hi Mary,
You haven't said what his birth yr was or how you know when he died or when and where he was last on a census, occupation or any other details ???
There are 2 John's mentioned here;
McDOUGALL John d.1853 28 yrs
McDOUGALL John d.1859 70 yrs
http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/tarbertgraveyard.php
Annie
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McDOUGALL John d.1853 28 yrs
McDOUGALL John d.1859 70 yrs
Mary,
I'm puzzled how you know when John died if you have no info. ???
This is the birth of a Son Alexander Mcdugald b 1828
& mother's name spelling variant Cathrin Mckieth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8C-FHZ
Annie
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Hi Annie, Thanks for replying. I'm just starting on this site and am thinking as I go along.
I have a photo of the headstone in Tarbert . It gives names of offspring of Catharine and John.
I have them as tenants 1841at Culnashemrag (Census 1841 533/00 004/00 003) in South Knapdale.
1851 finds them at Avenagillen Farm, (Census 1851 533/00 005/00 005) with John in bad health.
I cannot find any trace of him after this apart from the headstone which states he was 70 at death in 1859, and this occurred " September". The 9 is difficult to verify, hence the range of dates I quoted.
I have been puzzled over all this for a while, but I don't know which way to go now.
John and Catherine were my geat great Grandparents. I would welcome any assistance.
The info on young Alexander looks to be possibly my great grandfather..... spellings do vary, don't they?!
Thanks
Mary
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I cannot find any trace of him after this apart from the headstone which states he was 70 at death in 1859, and this occurred " September". The 9 is difficult to verify,
Mary
Okay, so the one I quoted from the Ralston site (McDOUGALL John d.1859 70 yrs) appears to be him but................you will need his death cert. to confirm this.
Do you know when his wife died ???
I don't know how experienced you are with scotlandspeople.gov.uk but for the name you most certainly will need to use the surname variants option.
I wouldn't use the age option as it may not be him & leaving that blank will throw up others.
Annie
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Mary,
If you go to this site...........
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fyv/
Below the details it reads "Created by: Harold R" & you can click on that as the person who submitted it seems to be a relative which has an email address :P
Annie
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I have a photo of the headstone in Tarbert . It gives names of offspring of Catharine and John.
Mary,
Can you please post details of children with c births as well as others not mentioned on the MI ???
Annie
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:)
Hi again. What's the MI??
Catherine died on August 24th 1901, aged 101 and 11 months. 114 years ago today. 535/00 0022
children:
Alexander 12/12/1828 as noted in previous post. When he married 02/12/1862 his father was listed as deceased.
other children are as follows, but I have no birth dates confirmed yet.
Angus McDougall
1832 – 1895
Mary McDougall
1835 – 1922
Ronald McDougall
1837 – 1891
Malcolm McDougall
1840 – 1927
Lachlan McDougall
1844 – 1867
I know it's incomplete, but john's death is the one I just cannot trace.
I do use Scotland's people, but maybe just need to narrow the search a bit to one relative at a time! Can't run when learning to walk.
Mary
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Hi Mary,
Sorry...........Monumental Inscription ;)
Annie
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:)
Hi again. What's the MI??
Catherine died on August 24th 1901, aged 101 and 11 months. 114 years ago today. 535/00 0022
children:
Alexander 12/12/1828 as noted in previous post. When he married 02/12/1862 his father was listed as deceased.
other children are as follows, but I have no birth dates confirmed yet.
Angus McDougall
1832 – 1895
Mary McDougall
1835 – 1922
Ronald McDougall
1837 – 1891
Malcolm McDougall
1840 – 1927
Lachlan McDougall
1844 – 1867
I know it's incomplete, but john's death is the one I just cannot trace.
I do use Scotland's people, but maybe just need to narrow the search a bit to one relative at a time! Can't run when learning to walk.
Mary
I did see Catherine's death on the same site. Is she in the same plot ?
It is possible from what you mentioned in an earlier post of John being of "ill health" that he may have died in hospital outside the area your searching and may have been registered in a different area.........just a thought ???
Annie
ADDED.........Do you have Catherine's death cert. confirming she was indeed the widow of John ???
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(http://mediasvc.ancestry.co.uk/v2/image/namespaces/1093/media/a80f5698-9001-4da9-a745-6109bb3ff354?client=TreesUI&maxSide=500)
I'm hoping that that is a link to the photo. If not I'll write it out longhand.
Mary
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yes to question on Catherine... she raised the stone to John, and was buried there too.
certificate: yes.
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Alexander 12/12/1828 as noted in previous post. When he married 02/12/1862 his father was listed as deceased.
Where was Alexander living when he married ???
Angus McDougall 1832 – 1895
Angus Mcdugald Christened 08 Feb 1831 South Knapdale,
Father John Mcdugald, Mother Cathrine Mckiech
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8C-D7H
I wonder if this could be Angus
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCQP-38L
Mary McDougall 1835 – 1922 (Couldn't find her)
Ronald McDougall 1837 – 1891 (Couldn't find him)
Malcolm McDougall 1840 – 1927
Born 1839, Christened 18 Jan 1840 South Knapdale
Father John Mcdougald, Mother Catharin Mckiech
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8C-851
Lachlan McDougall 1844 – 1867
Born 16 Oct 1842, Christened 28 Dec 1842 South Knapdale
Father John Mcdugald, Mother Catherine Mckeitch
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY8C-F9G
I know it's incomplete, but john's death is the one I just cannot trace.
I do use Scotland's people, but maybe just need to narrow the search a bit to one relative at a time! Can't run when learning to walk.
Mary
I tried SP with:
Surnames that beginning with M
Forename John (Forenames that begin with)
County Argyll
All Districts
Brought up 157 matches. (7 pages) on the Index which = £1.61 which is worth a try although not a guarantee but cheapest way to search all Argyll :-\
Sorry, I couldn't read the Headstone ::)
Annie
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Mary,
The reason for asking where Alexander was living is, the family may have moved since 1851 census.
You haven't said where they were in other census' after 1851 ???
If any family were elsewhere, John & Catherine may have been with a daughter or son for that matter, helping to look after their sick father ???
Annie
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Annie
Alexander lived in Tarbert when married. 02/12/1862.
I need to go to bed but will endeavour to send you more tomorrow. I really appreciate what you're doing for me.
thank you so much
night night.
mary
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Hi Mary,
From your PM.........Catherine seems to be in Tarbert for the censuses up to 1891, then she does not appear in 1901, months before her death from senile decay.
Catherine missing from 1901 just prior to her death may be simply that she had reverted back to her maiden name/was asleep/didn't hear the door when the enumerator called ???
You have her death cert. so you know she was still alive then.
What was the age (yr born) given 1841 & 1851 for John ??? & what was the age given for Catherine on each of the census until 1891 ???
Just to see how consistent the ages were ???
Can you give us the details for the death certs. for John you have already viewed please which are wrong ???
Annie
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Hi Mary,
From your PM.
"LACHLAN McDOUGALL DROWNED MARCH 25 1867" on MI.
What was the date on his death cert. ???
It's not as unusual as you think. I have one with wrong yr on MI.
Annie
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Hi Mary,
I was looking at another thread today & there's a Passenger List "S. S. Grampian" 27 March 1909 going to Boston, Massachussetts with (passenger no. eight) John Bennett & wife Mary, giving nearest relative's name as.......
Angus McDougall of Dunolly Cottage, Tarbert, Loch Fyne
I wonder if this Angus could be a relative of yours ???
Link to Passenger List......
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9Y7B-GJN
Annie
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1901
Catherine McDougall Head Widow Age 101 Born 1800 Occupation (Formerly Farmer's Wife)
Born Kilberry, Argyllshire
Parish South Knapdale
Registration district Tarbert
Archive reference RG13
Other household member(s)
Mary McDougall Dau Single 62 Born 1839 S Knapdale
Malcom (sic) McDougall Son Single 60 Born 1841 S Knapdale
No occupation listed for Mary or Malcolm
Annie
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Hi Annie
Wow! where did you find the 1901 census entry for Catherine? Well done.
Archive reference RG13 -- where was this found?
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I'll put Angus McDougall in the shoebox for now.
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Lachlan McDougall's death certificate states death was on 25/03/1867 and age was recorded as 22 years.
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John McDougall was "aged " 65 in 1841 and 70 in 1851. Hmmmm
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I'll keep digging, and thank you for your help.
take care
Mary
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Hi Mary,
The details for 1901 were from FindMyPast.
There are usually other no.'s included in the ref. but not for this one ???
I searched SP with all different ................it's not there ??? i.e. I have sent a message to say I can't find it on their site & where else could FindMyPast have found the details ???
They respond quite quickly so will let you know the outcome ;)
There's an entry for..........
Malcolm McDougall (soundex) using (Age Range) 60 (in both boxes) with "Second person forename option" Mary.
Argyll only as I don't know what it's under but certainly none of the areas it should be so may be an error on SP Index ???
Annie
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Hi Mary,
I received a lovely message back earlier today from SP :P
Mary is listed as "age 1" on the Index !!! but will be corrected ASAP although the Lady can't say exactly when for sure but I have to email her back ;)
Great service from them ;D
Annie