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Title: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Tuesday 25 August 15 14:20 BST (UK)
Hi, Everyone,
I would like to know whether anyone is researching the LEUTZ family.  A Godfrey LLOYDS, who died in St John's Street, Clerkenwell, London in 1825, aged 75, apparently Anglicised his name from Gottfried LEUTZ once he came to England (not exactly sure when that was, but possibly in the 1790's, or even before that). On his 1826 will it says he is from Mosbach, Germany.
His father could possibly have been a Johannes Valentinus LEUTZ, born or baptised in 1722, parents Valentini and Annae LEUTZ.
Are there BMD's stored somewhere for a place like Mosbach (and I have no idea whether there is just one place with this name in Germany or others too) that I might to be able to access to see whether the LEUTZ family resided in Mosbach for a while...
Many thanks,
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Gaie on Friday 28 August 15 18:05 BST (UK)
Hi Keith

The LDS have some transcribed records from Mosbach, Baden, Germany:

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bsurname%3Aleutz~%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC95005-1

I can't see a Gottfried, but they seem to be short of births mid-C18th.

They have films for this period for Mosbach, both catholic and protestant:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g0j/

You could hire and view them at your local LDS Centre; I've checked the London LDS website and they are not holding them in stock.

Possible marriage for Godfrey:  St George in the Easth, 12th December 1786, Godfrey LLOYDS, bachelor of the parish, to Sarah LONG, spinster of the parish, both signed, witnesses Wm Moxon and John Grainger.

There are some documents relating to Godrey at The National Archives and the LMA, including property insurance, and some court papers where it appears that the Crown sought to claim his estate after his death as he was an "alien"!

It is interesting that Godfrey called one of his sons Valentine.

KR Gaie

Added:  PS Ancestry is free this weekend!
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Saturday 29 August 15 10:24 BST (UK)
Hi again, Gaie,
Thanks so much for all this lovely info re those German records.
I do already have all the details of Godfrey's marriage in 1786 that's exactly the right one that you have spotted -  and his subsequent descent in the London area to the present day; but you've given me some new ideas about how to go about tracing his Mosbach roots.  Will PM you…
Keith
Already have the document about his estate after he was dead, but not the property insurance one/ones, so will definitely look into that!
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Saturday 29 August 15 19:05 BST (UK)
Hi Keith again,
how is it going... do share your new ideas. Tricky one this because there are so many different spellings of Leutz. But Mosbach does limit us somewhat. James
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Saturday 29 August 15 21:25 BST (UK)
Hi again, James,
No new ideas as yet, but I'm keeping options open, and will of course let you know as soon as anything turns up! Having Mosbach as Godfrey's/Gottfried's place of origin on his will does indeed narrow things down usefully...
Regards, Keith
…and as you can see from those (patchy) records that Gaie has so kindly unearthed for us, there's an identically named individual Joannes Valentinus Leuetz, baptised in 1688.  Someone in the family I think needs to go to Mosbach to see if they can search out any original records that might still exist.  I see too from that 1722 baptism that the word Katholisch is used...
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Sunday 31 March 19 13:30 BST (UK)
Keith, I'm going via Mosbach this week and hope to spend a day at the records office in town. Hopefully be able to find a bit more. Johannes Valentin Leutz is my favoured record.  I note different spellings but I think  J V leutz sounds promising. His father was a Valentin/ Valentine/ Valentinus as well.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Sunday 31 March 19 13:47 BST (UK)
Hi again, Jimvin,
Now that could be very exciting indeed.  I've many times tried to persuade your relative TD ( I hope you know whom I'm referring to!) to go and spend some time in that German town in his travels there to spend a while browsing through their records.
Do have a look to see whether they have any old directories too that might identify other members of this LEUTZ family. And do let me know how you get on.
The other day I passed by the site of the establishment in St John's St, Clerkenwell, London where Godfrey LLOYDS had his wine shop/pub in the early 19thC...
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Sunday 31 March 19 13:55 BST (UK)
One thing I did learn when I went to the London metropolitan archive on another assignment was godfrey had the hoop and adze on one side and a house on the other side a few doors up.  I think that was on an insurance record there. Don't have my notes to hand. From memory though not sure how long he was there. I'll try and look it out when home.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Sunday 31 March 19 14:00 BST (UK)
Oh, that's also extremely interesting.  Was that in response to the suggestion that Rootschatter Gaie made on here earlier?
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Sunday 31 March 19 15:26 BST (UK)
I was there, at the LMA, looking into Mental asylums when I was doing my AdvDip in Local history at Oxford (great online course btw)... so used the opportunity. It basically just confirmed what we already knew,  just a few years in between.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 02 April 19 06:38 BST (UK)
Mosbach 1600's
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&nom=Leuetz&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Baden+Wurttemberg%2C+Germany&country__0__=DEU&region__0__=BWU&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1

Leuetz looks to be the original spelling
Appolinia Leuetz - Stephanus - Johannes Vitus - Catharina - Anna - Sebastianus - Agnes - Eva etc etc
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Tuesday 02 April 19 09:56 BST (UK)
Gosh, Garstonite,
Thanks so much for unearthing all those.  The spelling of the family name has certainly taken a few twists and turns through the years.  I wonder whether Jimvin will now be able to fit together some kind of tree after his look through the Mosbach records in the near future...
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Tuesday 02 April 19 16:28 BST (UK)
Thank you for the info. It seems Karlsruhe archive will be better. There are no micro films at Mosbach and I had one film that I would like to check.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Monday 08 April 19 07:58 BST (UK)
The Karlsruhe archive was really handy and I've managed to go a few generations back.
Johannes Gottfried Leutz - Johannes Valentinus Leutz b.1722 d. 1799 - Johannes Peter Leutz b. 1691 d. 1766 - Peter Leutz b. ? D. 1731 -  Leonhardt Leutz b. ? d. ? It seems they were from Diedesheim for Peter and Leonhardt an old suburb of Mosbach... previously called Neckerelz. Peter was a Barrel maker.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Monday 08 April 19 20:22 BST (UK)
Didn't I read somewhere that Godfrey Lloyds was originally a barrel maker?
Not entirely clear from your last post, Jimvin, who the direct ancestors of Godfrey LLOYDS/LEUTZ are...
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Monday 08 April 19 20:50 BST (UK)
Keith, from memory his son Valentine took on the barrel making duties whilst he had the pub. It seems, almost certain, that Godfrey was born Johannes (like his father) Gottfried Leutz and chose to go by Godfrey Lloyds. There are quite a few Johannes in the family then a middle... like some do today, I assume some go by middle names to avoid confusion day to day. The document at the archive which listed a family tree also had the unknown detail of Johannes Gottfried Leutz, as in he was born in Mosbach and then doesn't die there (like most of the rest)... but no one quite knew where he did! I look out some of the docs for your records.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Monday 08 April 19 20:52 BST (UK)
It goes in that order JGLeutz (Godfrey), father JV Leutz, grandfather JP Leutz, GGrandfather P Leutz and Leonhardt GG Grandfather. Peter and Leonhardt it seems came from Diedesheim (Neckerelz) which is all of 2 miles from Mosbach.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Monday 08 April 19 21:14 BST (UK)
Thanks so much for that clarification, Jimvin!
Some splendid research undertaken by you there in Germany.  Very exciting to get back to the 17thC with the family. TD will be/should be very interested to hear all this...
Keith
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Thursday 11 April 19 08:39 BST (UK)
Keith, I sent an email the other day... did you receive it? It's an email address I had on record from a while back.
Also, I am awaiting to hear back from someone who has records for Diedesheim and Neckerelz, but this is a possible lead... but further away (about 10km outside of Mosbach) Most of the names tally.
Title: Re: Germany - LEUTZ family in Mosbach, 18thC and before...
Post by: Jimvin on Thursday 11 April 19 08:42 BST (UK)
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