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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: Cath Kelly on Thursday 27 August 15 19:06 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm new to this forum and need help in finding my great grandmothers birth record. I know she was born between 1850-1856 in Maryborough she was a Presbyterian her father was Richard Hargrove and she married Christopher Dowling in Dublin in a registry office in 1885. Any information would be appreciated
Thank you
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Hi There & Welcome
I am attaching the 1901 Census for Esther & Christopher for our reference !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Bridgefoot_Street/1340505/
Tara
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. . . and the 1911 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Usher_s_Quay/63570/
Tara
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Two of her children's baptisms !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/727f980290172
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/cca4430289662
Tara
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I take it you have her marriage cert !
Did it give an occupation for Richard ?
Tara
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No Richard on GV but there is a Laurence which is a starting point.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/laois/borris.htm
Tara
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Hi I'm new to this forum and need help in finding my great grandmothers birth record. I know she was born between 1850-1856 in Maryborough ...
Hello and welcome, just to point out that a "birth record" won't exist as she was born pre civil registration, the most you might find is a baptism record.
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As a matter of interest, what was Christopher's father's name ?
Tara
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If she was from Maryborough / Portlaoise she was more that likely baptised in St. Peters.
http://www.igs.ie/conservation/project/st.-peters-church-portlaoise
You can access this churches records on rootsireland BUT they are a sub site and you can't guarantee that her baptism would be on it.
Tara
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http://laois.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources
Tara
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Two instances of the name in the county ~
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ5-Q7R
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8W-FQT
Neither in Maryborough itself, but not a millions miles away either !
Tara
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... I know she was born between 1850-1856 in Maryborough ...
What is your reference for this? :)
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The census I'm presuming Gaffy !
Tara
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The 1901 / 1911 census returns suggest 1857/8 (ie. they are pretty consistent)?
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I'd go for later years too given the year of marriage and children's births ;D
Tara
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The OP must have a reference for the "I know she was born between 1850-1856" comment.
Catkelly1, how do you know this? :)
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Thank you for your replies to my message :)
I have Esther's marriage certificate to Christopher Dowling her father was Richard he was a labourer but was deceased. Their son was my grandfather also a Christopher they had two other children Elizabeth and Margaret their two elder children another child called Christopher and Kathleen both died young. From my grandfather's employment record it states his mother was his next of kin in 1919 and that she was 70. I have also looked at the census records for 1901 and 1911 which say she was born between 1856-58 so I have been looking for records between these dates. Also the census say she for her religion she was a Presbyterian and church of Ireland. But I can't find any church records for her birth.
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Can't find a baptism for Esther. I'm aware of an 1830 baptism in the area for a Catherine to parents Richard Hargroves and Ann McEvoy, also an 1867 marriage of a Michael Hargroves of Maryborough, father Richard, who married a Mary Dowling, father Connor.
Hopefully someone will pick up something on Esther.
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Thank you Gaffy are Catherine and Michael Presbyterian? could you send me the link to look at the baptism record please? I thought if one parent was a catholic then all the children were brought up as catholic?
You have given me a link to the Dowling family from the census Christopher Dowling Esther's husband was born in Portarlington I don't have his baptism record but maybe Mary Dowling and Christopher Dowling are related :)
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Catherine's 1830 baptism, bottom of right hand page:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634501#page/31/mode/1up
Also a Joseph baptised in 1832 with parents Richard Hardgroves and Anne McEvoy, bottom of right hand page:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634501#page/50/mode/1up
Michael's 1867 marriage is 4th down, I have only just noticed that Michael's mother is cited as Annie McEvoy, same as for Catherine's baptism and Joseph's baptism in 1830.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634416#page/8/mode/1up
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thanks for the help
I think I've found Michael Hargroves and Mary Hargroves (nee Dowling) in the 1901 census I want to find out if Mary is related to my Great Grandfather Christopher any help will be appreciated I don't have his baptism record in the census record his date of birth is 1852 on the marriage certificate his father was a Michael. In the census record it says Christopher was born in Portarlington.
Both Esther and Christopher were married in Dublin and they give a Dublin address so I am assuming they were living in Dublin at least from 1885 the year of their marriage. From the censuses and from what my mother has told me they were in the Usher Quays area of Dublin until the late 1930's. :) ;)
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My burial records from St Peter & Pauls cemetery Portlaoise has the following records of Hargrove;
(542); Mary Hargroves; 68- RC- married-Borris Great; 6/9/1911 (b1853)
(737); Michael Hargroves; 76-RC-widower-Borris Great; 19/7/1916 (b.1840)
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Jack
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UPDATE:
I have found birth records for children of Richard Hargroves and Anne McAvoy : Catherine 1830, Joseph 1832, Richard 1836 and Michael 1838 all in RC records
My great grand mother Esther's religion in the census was Church Presbyterian in 1901 and Church of Ireland 1911. She married Christopher Dowling in 1885 in a registry office in Dublin and they lived in Ushers Quay Dublin.
I have also found a marriage record for John Hargroves born about 1849 his father was Richard and his religion was Church of Ireland according to 1901 census three of his children are living in Ushers Quay I'm thinking they could be related to Esther
There is another marriage record for Elizabeth Hargroves born about 1853 who married William Cox in Dublin in 1876 again her father is Richard and he is a steward.
I can find no Church of Ireland birth records for John, Elizabeth or Esther. I read somewhere that all Church of Ireland records were destroyed in the war of independence is this true? can anyone help me find where I can find the records if they are available.
Sorry for long post Cat