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Title: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: Matt Wilson on Friday 28 August 15 15:17 BST (UK)
Hello, after buying some kingdon b/d/m certs, I've hit a dead end after discovering a large part of the kingdons from Barnstaple emigrated to Canada around 1900, only my great granddad Sydney john kingdon seemed to remain in Barnstaple before moving onto Swansea. Can anyone please tell me what happened to his parents and when they died in Canada or if they came back. His father was John (Jack) Kingdon born 1855 Barnstaple and listed as still alive on sid's marriage cert from 1908 and his mother was Elizabeth Limebeer born 1854 Barnstaple. I know sid's brother Bruce came back and died in the war but any help with john and Elizabeth and their own parents would be greatly appreciated so I can continue the line backward on ancestry. Matthew.
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: suzard on Friday 28 August 15 22:07 BST (UK)
this looks like John with parents 1871 -seems like e named his children after some of his siblings

1871
Allens Court Barnstaple Devon
George Kingdon Head M 38 Ships Carpenter Fremington Devon
Matilda wife 27 Glover
JOHN son 15 Sailor
Bruce son 12
George son 10 scholar -fits from birth
Edith daughter 6
Matilda daughter 4
Sidney son 3
Maria daughter 4months
Joshua Kingdon father widower 74 ag lab Charles Devon

Matilda and childen all b. Barnstaple
RG10 2184 1871 50 18

Suz

Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: suzard on Friday 28 August 15 22:34 BST (UK)
1861
Myrtle Place Barnstable Devon
George Kingdon Head M 28 Ship's CCarpenter Tavistock Devon
Matilda wife 27 Ilfracombe Devon
JOHN son 5 Barnstaple
Bruce son 2 Barnstaple
Geo son 2mth Barnstaple
RG9 1489 111 16

1851
Litchdon St Barnstaple
Joshua Kingdon 56 labourer general Charles Devon
Elizabeth wife 55 Barnstaple
Thomas son 20 Journeyman Potter Fremington
George son 16 Journeyman potter Barnstaple
Maria daughter 12
Henry son 4
HO107 1892 337 7

1841
Parracombe Mills Village Devon
Joshua Kingdon 45 ag lab
Elizabeth 45
Thomas 10
Prudence 6
Maria 4
all b Devon
HO107 245 10 15

Baptism
CCharles Devon
Joshua Kingdon
20 May 1796
parents Thomas & Prudence

Hope this helps a little going back

Suz
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 06:05 BST (UK)
Free bmd does not show a John or Jack Kingdon born in 1855 in Barnstaple - have you got his birth certificate to confirm year of birth?

There is this one in 1856, with a fancier name:
Births June quarter  1856   
John Hamlyn Berry   Kingdon     Barnstaple    5b   445

or this in Tiverton:
Births September quarter  1854
John Kingdon        Tiverton    5b   403

The 1901 census shows that the family is still in Barnstaple, so not left for Canada around 1900, but later - when?

1901
John Kingdon   46  shipwright and bargeman  All born Barnstaple
Elizabeth Kingdon   48
Sydney Kingdon   19   bargeman
Bruce Kingdon   13
George Kingdon   11
Jack Kingdon   10
RG13       Piece 2153      Folio  49        Page 15
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 06:24 BST (UK)
There is a Bruce Kingdon travelling out to his sister in 1910:
Bruce Kingdon
Age     22  Birth Year about  1888
Date of Arrival:    21 July  1910
Vessel   Empress of Britain
Port of Arrival      Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure     Liverpool, England

he is a labourer, going to Stonewall (?) , Manitoba (?)
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 06:36 BST (UK)
There are these Kingdon's in 1906 census, but ages out, and not sure of correct transcriptions:
1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
Immigration Year:   1903
Province    Saskatchewan    District     Assiniboia East
Sub-District Description   Townships 18, 19, 20 in ranges 32, 33 west of the 1st M
Sub-District   34
John Kingdon   56
Elazabeth C Kingdon   53
John L Kingdon   23  son, possibly arrived 1900?
 Census Place  34      Assiniboia East     Saskatchewan       Page 13     Family No 112
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 06:45 BST (UK)
Just for reference, ancestry has the family transcribed with parents as Kingdon and children as Kingdom in 1891, and Elizabeth Simebeer (Limebeer?) age 16 a step-daughter.
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 06:52 BST (UK)
This looks like an alternate spelling for that surname:

Births December quarter  1874 
Elizabeth Jane Limebear       Barnstaple    5b   454

(She is showing as Kingdon in 1881 census)

Have you identified John and Elizabeth's marriage?
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 07:08 BST (UK)
You have Elizabeth Limebeer born 1854 Barnstaple - do you know if this is actually her birth - does not want to appear a lot older than her husband?

Births December quarter 1852   
Elizabeth Jane Limebear            Barnstaple    5b   480
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: chempat on Saturday 29 August 15 07:14 BST (UK)
Elizabeth could be with her family in 1861, hiding as Limber from High Bickington.  Looks like she is a servant in 1871.

Her Father William born Tawstock in about 1828/1830.
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: roeschlinp on Tuesday 23 November 21 22:05 GMT (UK)
Kingdon, Sydney John: Merchant Seaman; BT/351/1/607 WW1;
Notes: There is a Medals Record Card for a Sidney John Kingdon shown in the WW1 Board of Trade Merchant Seaman’s Medals; I believe that this is Sydney John Kingdon born 1882 in Barnstaple Devon; He was the son of John E. Kingdon (b.1855), of Barnstaple, England, a Fisherman, Shipbuilder & Bargeman & Elizabeth Limebeer from Barnstaple who married in ?? (she may have been previously married as there is a stepdaughter in 1891 Census); (Many members of this family emigrated to Manitoba in Canada ca.1906); In 1891 Sydney J. Kingdon was aged 8, a scholar, but recorded as living as an In Patient in the North Devon Infirmary in Barnstaple, Devon; There is no indication of his illness; In the 1901 Census Sydney Kingdon was aged 19 & living with his parents in #10, Signal Terrace, Barnstaple, Devon, his Father is a Shipwright & Bargeman, Sydney is a Bargeman working on his own account; In 1902 there are Ship’s Records for the “Wheatear”, #48880 out of Poole in Dorset, which has reference  to Sydney J. Kingdon (b.1881 Barnstaple) being a member of the Crew of the ‘Wheatear’ having joined 05.01.1902 in Newport as an Able Seaman but having left this ship on 15.02.1902 in Bristol; The record shows that his previous ship in 1901 was the “Acacia” out of Barnstaple; I understand that Sydney John Kingdon moved to Swansea in Wales as he appears to have Married a Mary Emily Sullivan, b.1889 Swansea, in Swansea in 1908; In the 1911 Census Sydney John & Emily Kingdon live at #81, Colbourne Terrace, Swansea, Glamorgan, wales, he is a General Labourer; I have no other records except that Sidney J Kingdon probably Died in 1947 in Wolverhampton at the age of 64; Further research  required to find his WW1 Merchant Seaman Records; (He was the Brother of Kingdon, John (Jack): Royal Field Artillery No: 49756 Rank: Sergeant 1914-1920 WO 372/23); (He was also the Brother of Kingdon, Bruce: #622376, Private, Canadian Infantry (New Brunswick Regiment); who died aged 27 on 25th October 1916 in the Area of the Somme); (He was also the Brother of #174744 Sergeant George Kingdon of the Royal Garrison Artillery);
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: roeschlinp on Tuesday 23 November 21 22:20 GMT (UK)
Kingdon, Bruce: #A23151 & #622376, Private, B Company, 44th Battalion, Canadian Infantry (New Brunswick Regiment); – Died in WW1; Private Bruce Kingdon, was Killed in Action at the age 27 on 25th October 1916 in the Area of the Somme; This Soldier is Remembered with Honour in the Vimy Memorial at Pas de Calais in France; (This memorial is for WW1 Dead Canadian Soldiers & for WW1 Canadian Soldiers, missing, presumed dead in France, generally with no known grave); (Canadian records have him as Kingdon & Kingdom);
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: roeschlinp on Tuesday 23 November 21 22:21 GMT (UK)
Notes: This is Bruce Kingdon who was born in Barnstaple, England on 21.04.1888; He was the Son of John E. Kingdon (b.1855), of Barnstaple, England, a Fisherman, Shipbuilder & Bargeman & Elizabeth Limebear, also from Barnstaple; (She may have been previously married as there is a Stepdaughter recorded living with the family in the 1891 Census called Elizabeth Jane Limebear, b.1875 Barnstaple); At the time of his Death in France, Bruce Kingdon was the Husband of Reta Viola Kingdon of 249, Kilbride Avenue, Winnipeg, Manitoba; In 1891 Bruce Kingdon lived with his parents in Potters Lane, Barnstaple, his Father was a Fisherman; In the 1901 English Census, Bruce Kingdon was aged 13 & living with his parents at #10, Signal Terrace, Barnstaple, Devon, his Father is a Shipwright & Bargeman; Bruce Kingdon probably emigrated to Canada on 21.07.1910 to visit his step sister Elizabeth Limebeer, who had married Richard Johns in Barnstaple in 1899 & emigrated to Manitoba, Canada in 1905, on the ‘SS Empress of Britain’ from Liverpool to Quebec; Bruce Kingdon is Rooming with another Policeman & his family in Winnipeg City in the 1911 Census of Canada, he is a Winnipeg City Policeman, but this record indicated that he had arrived in Canada in 1906 & not in 1910?; Bruce Kingdon married Reta Viola Wilson on 02.11.1911 in Winnipeg, Manitoba; Private Bruce Kingdon enlisted at the age of 27 in the Canadian Over-Seas Expeditionary Force in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada on 17.05.1915 stating that he was an ex Winnipeg City Policeman & that he had previously served with the Royal Garrison Artillery, (Volunteers) in Devonshire, England; His attestation papers give his birth date of 21.04.1888 in Barnstaple, Devon, England & indicate that he was already married; His first attestation number was A23151, which was subsequently changed to #622376 when he joined the 44th Overseas Battalion, CEF; His unit sailed from Halifax to England on 23.10.1915 on the ‘SS Lapland’; During January 1916 Bruce Kingdon was admitted to Bramshott Hospital in England suffering with muscle rheumatism; He embarked for France on 31.08.1916; His wife was then living at #273 Atlantic Avenue, winnipeg in Canada; This soldier was one of 37 Other Ranks & 3 Officers who were killed during the 44th Battalion Operation Order #9; This was a failed attempt to capture a portion of ‘Regina Trench’ in the ‘Bricklands’ area of the Somme, due to  insufficient Artillery Barrage, on the day of 25.10.1916; I understand that his wife remarried to a William Arnold Drenner in Winnipeg on 01.04.1918 & lived at #478, Slater Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada; Awarded the Victory & British War Medals; He was not eligible for the 1914-15 Star; (He was probably the Brother of Kingdon, John (Jack): #49756 Sergeant, Royal Field Artillery, 1914-1920 WO 372/23); (The Brother of Kingdon, George: #45713, Gunner, Royal Field Artillery & #174744 Sergeant George Kingdon of the Royal Garrison Artillery); (He was also the Brother of Sydney John Kingdon WW1 Merchant Seaman);
Title: Re: Kingdon Family Help
Post by: roeschlinp on Tuesday 23 November 21 22:22 GMT (UK)
Bruce Kingdon