England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 16:14 BST (UK)
Title: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 16:14 BST (UK)
I have searched for days now and just cannot find the deaths of the following:
John Mattock born in 1880 London son of Robert Mattock and Margaret nee Robertson. and his wife Fanny nee Rose born Pimlico London 1876.
They have one child Harriet Ellen Mattock, who we have looked at on here due to her marrying Mr Winter Walkling.. ( ;D ) she is all sorted .. with oodles of roots assistance :)
So what I have for the above...........
they are in Dacre House in London until 1912 at least JOHN is.. see Electoral rolls.
They were actually living together as man and wife in the 1901 and their daughter was born 1902. Although the marriage I found shows 1909...Chelsea. 1911 shows the three of them together in Dacre House London and their daughter is down as Hetty. (as I say daughter is all tidied up and finished up to her death in 1980 South end on sea husband pre-deceased.. with No issue! :( )
then I can only find maybe's or possibly's I found a 1951 death for a Fanny Mattock in Leeds ???? the age is almost correct. and I found a 1947 death of a John Mattock in Surrey ? again is ok ish :)
Of course there is also the chance that they emigrated, divorced, or John was in the Services of some sort.
I did find one that could fit for John in The Household Cavalry No. 29270 but don't think it is correct.
Cannot find a will or probate that fits either. :-X :-\ ???
So I am stumped.... Where else - or what else - or shall I close them off... shut them down.. Fanny seems a little bit of a worry, for some reason - I do not have a good feeling regarding her... I attempted to trace her pre marriage... and something stopped me going to far. ??
I do appreciate all time spent and all help received.
xxx
xin
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 28 August 15 16:26 BST (UK)
Did Fanny have a middle name at all ?
Could she be Frances - Frances A Mattock - 1876 - June 1919 - aged 43 years. Kensington London - 1a 131 ?
Sandra
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 28 August 15 16:40 BST (UK)
Hmmm Margaret Mattock died 15 April 1923 - probate 16 May 1923 Middlesex administration London to Helen Phyllis Davis (wife of John Bernard Davis) so no mention of son John Mattock. :'(
Sandra
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 16:41 BST (UK)
John Mattock & Frances Mattock are at 69 Drayton Gardens Kensington in 1919
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 28 August 15 16:54 BST (UK)
John Mattock & Frances Mattock are at 69 Drayton Gardens Kensington in 1919
Hmm - makes that Kensington death a possibility
Could she be Frances - Frances A Mattock - 1876 - June 1919 - aged 43 years. Kensington London - 1a 131 ?
Sandra
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 28 August 15 17:29 BST (UK)
Is there a very quick remarriage for John? 1 December 1919 at St Andrew, West Kensington John Mattock, 39, widower, son of Robert Mattock + Lucy Dentry
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:31 BST (UK)
Her birth should be registered in St George Hanover Square district but the only one I can find is Frances Amelia Rose in 1867! not 1876
Have you got the 1909 marriage cert? it's at the back end of the page range so it'll most probably be a register office if you haven't.
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:33 BST (UK)
Is there a very quick remarriage for John? 1 December 1919 at St Andrew, West Kensington John Mattock, 39, widower, son of Robert Mattock + Lucy Dentry
well spotted!
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:34 BST (UK)
Lucy born 1878 appears to die in Fulham in 1937
(still in the same geographical area)
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:36 BST (UK)
John & Lucy are in the electoral registers at 16 Chesson Road from 1927 to 1935
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:45 BST (UK)
There's a probate entry for the chap who dies in 1947, at Frimley Green, Surrey with a widow Emily Louisa
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 17:45 BST (UK)
whew........... I went out to put my violas in whilst the sun was a shining... and you clever clever people have been at it again.
WOWOOW :) :)
Now I need to study for a few mins... but at a quick glance seems like you have some great info.
Thank you ALL :) :)
roots cannot be beaten - it is the best - the busy people - just never rest - :) :) :) bless em all
xin
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:50 BST (UK)
John Mattock in Frimley Green was there while John & Lucy were in Fulham so not your man (unless he was living a double life!)
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 28 August 15 17:55 BST (UK)
so that just about leaves John Mattock aged 76 with a death registration in Gosport Hampshire in 1956
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 28 August 15 18:09 BST (UK)
Lucy Mattock (wife of John Mattock) 16 Chesson Road. Kensington London - passed away 2 May 1937 - probate London 11 August 1937 - to John Mattock- Chauffeur Gardener. Effects £ 818 12s 5d
Sandra
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 18:10 BST (UK)
yea .... have read through - and agree with all thoughts as to 2nd marriage etc.. excellent..
regarding Margarets probate... she did have 8 children - only 4 survived.. Joseph. JOHN Euphemia and Nellie aka Helen.. she died in 1950 and her husband then remarried.
uhm Fanny could have been telling a fib?!! regarding birth...
But it does look like that is the right 2nd marriage :)
thank you ALL xx
xin
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 18:19 BST (UK)
YES that is definitely his 2nd Marriage -- even tho his father has changed profession.. the witnesses are significant... His sister Euphemia married a Thomas Mahoney :) and it could well be his mothers signature Margaret Mattock.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
xin
Just found her 1st marriage (LUCY) maiden name Hooker she was living in FREAN ST. now that name is really ringing bells and you know what! I think it is where Tommy Steele lived ??! (I am a fan bless him ) that's all just a by the way :) :)
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 19:02 BST (UK)
So
collating all info..
and thinking that due to Nellie or Harriet Ellen Winter-Walkling being his ONLY off spring....
maybe I will run through info on her around the years after his 2nd wife died to see if she may have found time to care for him or for him to visit her... so phone books and newspapers ... cant think of any other way .... electoral roll for them residing close by would be great!! xin
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 28 August 15 20:59 BST (UK)
Hi There's a (Miss) Helen Mattock with John + Lucy for a couple of years, 1929 and 1930, at 16 Chesson Road. Is that John's sister? I wondered if it was John's daughter Harriet Ellen, but from what you say she married in 1928. And at that time was with her husband at 5 Palliser Road, not far away
Re the Gosport death of a John Mattock, maybe you could check out another marriage! March qtr 1938, Hendon John Mattock married Annie A Willard
Annie Amelia Willard, birth reg Sep 1897, Steyning Annie Amelia Mattock, death reg Dec 1988, Portsmouth, d-o-b 30 June 1897
John
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 28 August 15 21:44 BST (UK)
thanks for that John, I had slipped into the dark hole again, cos I had noticed that regarding Helen and am still attempting to verify Fanny and Johns demise... :)
So will see if I can fathom who the Helen is..
xin ;D ;D ;)
Johns sister Nellie married John Bernard Davies in 1919 and I could find No children of the marriage.
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: terri-07 on Monday 30 April 18 20:25 BST (UK)
hi, I am John Mattocks great great granddaughter and my family are researching the mattocks side family tree , we have got as far as fanny mattock, May I ask if you have found any more information on fanny .
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 30 April 18 21:20 BST (UK)
Hi Terri-07
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Xinia is a regular here so will receive an email notification that you have posted and be back soon.
Dawn
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Monday 30 April 18 22:13 BST (UK)
Hello ;) :D (Thanks Dawn)
I am here... will go over the post and get back to you
xin
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: Finley 1 on Monday 30 April 18 22:32 BST (UK)
Right Terri -07
Just ran through the post quickly, as I had totally moved on from this branch. So all vague memories.
The short answer is I am afraid NO.
I havent found more..
You will see by my original post regarding Fanny - I was worried about the facts. It seems closer branches became more important to me...
I cant promise to find more, but if I do I will update you on here.
All the best
Roots 'champions' did a heck of a lot of work on this .. So maybe if you go through these answers you will find what you are looking for.
xin
feel free to post again to see if there is anything else..
Title: Re: just cannot find these two deaths!?
Post by: terri-07 on Tuesday 01 May 18 19:54 BST (UK)