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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: mawddachlover on Friday 28 August 15 23:37 BST (UK)
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Jane Humphreys born 1827, was married to John Grant in 1845, in Broughton, Chester. Her Father was John Humphreys, cabinet maker, on the marriage certificate.
That is all I know.
All through the censuses from 1851 - 1901 she says she was born in Gresford, and then on the 1911 census it says she was born in Moss, which is quite a way from Gresford.
I would like to get further back in the family, but I can't find anything other than her father's name and occupation.
Would like her mother's and siblings' names. I found a grave at Moss for a Sarah Humphreys born 1815 I think it was. An older sister possibly? Any one help please?
Sue
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One of the main difficulties with research in the area is that the 1841 Census is missing.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Yes I realise that about the Wrexham census. I did find a Jane Humpreys on the '41 census as a servant, which she says she was at her marriage, up towards Ruthin. Of course even if it was her, it's not got her family with her. It only says she was born in the county not where.
I thought maybe someone had access to parish records, I know some Welsh records are online now on various sites.
Sue
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May be worth noting this Family for reference in the future.
1851 Census
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
HO107/2503/629/46
Frances Humphreys, 39, Head, Widr, Store Keeper, born Chester, Cheshire
James Humphreys, 17, Son, Solicitors Clerk, born Gresford, Denbighshire
William Humphreys, 15, Son, Cabinet Maker, born Marchwell, Denbighshire
Charlotte Humphreys, 11, Daug, Scholar, born Marchwell
David Humphreys, 13, Son, Scholar, born Marchwell
Jane Lewis,17, Servant, born Gresford
Just though worth noting as Mother is fron Cheshire and a Son is a Cabinet Maker
F/S has a Baptism 7 March 1834 Wrexham for a James Humphreys, access through FindMyPast
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From Jill Rose`s names from Clwyd.
All surname Grant.
1841 Census Wrexham Town: Charles Street:
All born Scotland
James 25 Tea dealer born S.
Donald 20 do ap born S.
John 20 do ap born S.
Elsie 20 born S.
Brook Street:
Wm. 20 School m not born in County
Elizabeth 35 born in County
Mary 20 not born in County
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May be worth noting this Family for reference in the future.
1851 Census
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
HO107/2503/629/46
Frances Humphreys, 39, Head, Widr, Store Keeper, born Chester, Cheshire
James Humphreys, 17, Son, Solicitors Clerk, born Gresford, Denbighshire
William Humphreys, 15, Son, Cabinet Maker, born Marchwell, Denbighshire
Charlotte Humphreys, 11, Daug, Scholar, born Marchwell
David Humphreys, 13, Son, Scholar, born Marchwell
Jane Lewis,17, Servant, born Gresford
Just though worth noting as Mother is fron Cheshire and a Son is a Cabinet Maker
Possibly the same Frances.
Wrexham Advertiser . March 1st 1852
Deaths:
10th ult., in Mount-street, Wrexham, aged 40, FRANCES, relict of Mr. WILLIAM HUMPHREYS, of the Commercial Inn, Chester.
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Are there any clues on the marriage certificate, names of witnesses who may be related .
GRANT John / HUMPHREYS Jane . Chester, St John
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Not really much help, but John , Jane and a son are buried in Wrexham Ruabon Road cemetery, all in the same grave. it does seem to confirm her age is correct.
GRANT JOHN age 27 BANK STREET 29/12/1884 grave 03743
GRANT JOHN age 64 10 BANK STREET 17/06/1885 grave 03743
GRANT JANE age 84 6 LAMBPIT STREET 28/04/1911 grave 03743
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All through the censuses from 1851 - 1901 she says she was born in Gresford, and then on the 1911 census it says she was born in Moss, which is quite a way from Gresford.
She also states she was born Wrexham in 5 consecutive census years.
1851 Gresford
1861 Wrexham
1871 Wrexham
1881 Wrexham
1891 Wrexham
1901 Wrexham
1911 Moss
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I have the whole family tree from 1837, when registration started, down to today.
It's before that I'm stuck on. Cannot find births or marriages of any who might be family of Jane Humphreys. There are no parish records on ancestry that are from that area.
Her husband John Grant is even worse, there's not even a clue where in Scotland he was from, and the name is so common there.
Jane is the one I'd like to know more about before she married John Grant.
Sue
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It may be worth looking at FindMyPast. Even if you have to pay to view.
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I've had the wrong birth year for Jane, working it out from her birth to her death, it was 1826 not 1827. I have found a baptism in Wrexham 16 Nov 1826, on findmypast, but no parents names, unless they are on the actual document which I will have to pay for, unless one of you guys already has a subscription.
I have also found 4 marriages for 4 John Humphreys in Brymbo the old parish for Gresford. I do need her mother's name to see which marriage it might be - Anne, Elizabeth, Margaret or Roseanna?
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Brymbo would have been in the parish of Wrexham if John married before 1826.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Brymbo/
Gresford was a different parish.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Gresford/
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Maybe he moved to Gresford after he married, as there are no marriages in Gresford for a John Humphreys, unless they are not online yet. I don't seem to be getting any nearer to knowing.
Sue
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The parents of Jane bapt 16th Nov 1826 were John and Catherine.
John was a joiner, abode Gwersyllt. Looking good so far.
Gwersyllt was in the parish of Gresford, before 1851.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Gwersyllt/
Moss is very close to Gwersyllt , and at that time was in the parish of Wrexham, before Brymbo became a parish of it`s own in 1844.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Brymbo/
Hope this helps.
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Thank you so much. Just need John and Catherines' marriage now, and any siblings she had
Sue
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Unfortunately I don`t subscribe to FindMyPast, I just called in a favour from someone I know.
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A FindMyPast search comes up with these matches that are quite local. Of course the couple may have been from anywhere.
HUMPHREYS JOHN — — 1800 Denbigh Marriages Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales
ROBERTS CATHERINE — — 1800 Denbigh Marriages Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales
Also Banns for this Llangollen marriage.
HUMPHREYS JOHN — — 1804 Denbigh Banns Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
DAVIES CATHERINE — — 1804 Denbigh Banns Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Only banns .
There is a document held at Denbighshire Archives. If you contact them with the details they will probably tell you what it is.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g1n/
Bottom of the list
Humphreys, John Address: Llangollen, Denbighshire
Date: 1835 Occupation: Joiner And Cabinet Maker
Ref Number: 1835 DIR
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Those marriages seem too early, even the 1804 one is 22yrs before Jane was born. I know it's not impossible, many had babies in their 40s, but could there be a John and Catherine who married at a later date
Sue
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Jane and John Grant were married in Chester, so I thought I'd try Chester for John Humpreys too. I found one in 1821 to Catherine Thomas, which I think is more likely than 1804 or 1800. Also he was a cabinetmaker. So I'm pretty sure its them.
I have gone on findmypast myself now.
I found 3 earlier births in Wrexham to a John and Catherine Humphreys, Elizabeth 1821, Mary Ann 1823, William Thomas 1825, (Thomas could be after maiden name of mother), and the father John was a joiner, so maybe they moved out to Gwersyllt before they had Jane in 1826.
I cannot find any apart from Jane on any censuses, or find any deaths for John or Catherine though.
Sue
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3 March 1821 Both parties signed.
Witnesses Elith Humphreys , William Maitchill
http://cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/
Could Elith ( Elizabeth ?) be a sister of John
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I thought that myself, so looked to see if I could find an Elizabeth and John with same parents. I found a William and Elizabeth, the births were 1787 for Elizabeth, and 1793 for John, which would mean John didn't marry till he was 28.
At John's baptism his father was a baker, but no occupation on Elizabeth's.
William and Elizabeth are family names, so could be right parents.
Sue
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I thought that myself, so looked to see if I could find an Elizabeth and John with same parents. I found a William and Elizabeth, the births were 1787 for Elizabeth, and 1793 for John, which would mean John didn't marry till he was 28.
At John's baptism his father was a baker, but no occupation on Elizabeth's.
William and Elizabeth are family names, so could be right parents.
Sue
Where were these baptisms.
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Sorry forgot to say, Wrexham.
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Hello, I am a decendant of jane grant nee Humphreys she was my great great grandmother they lived where marrubbi`s café is now in bank street Wrexham they had 6 children kate, john, mary-jane, annie, elizabeth, and Maggie who was my great grandmother.
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Any other decendants out there.
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My husband has Elizabeth as his great grandmother and we're in touch with a family who have Margaret as their great grandmother. They took us to Marubbi's cafe when we visited them in Wrexham a few years ago.
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Hello, I also had a great great grand mother called Maggie her name was grant before she married she had a sister Elizabeth my granny violet used to call her aunt lizzie. what is your husbands surname?
we live in Wrexham. What is the name of the family that took you to marrubbi`s
hope you reply soon
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If your granny was Violet, then you are related to Linda Cooke and Rita Wynn. They are sisters and they took us to the cafe. My husband is Colin Holden, and his grandfather Herbert Whitehall was Elizabeth's youngest son, born after she moved to Liverpool. She lived with Herbert after he married and had children, see the 1911 census, Colin's mum Doris was a baby.
Regards Sue