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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Rosinish on Sunday 13 September 15 19:56 BST (UK)
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Hi Folks,
I have entered some info. into my tree from a census record online (prob Ancestry) which I must have put in the recycle bin by "mistook" ;D as it's not on my comp ::)
What I have is;
Glenmasson Conaresk Farm, Kilmun, Dunoon & Kilmun, Argyll...... (It's not on google) ???
The names on the census which I have noted 1861 next to are;
Jane McColl or Steele (not sure how it was written down) but variants of both names
Flora (mother) was either down as Steele or MacIsaac (variants for both names)
Jane was born 1827 South Uist, Inverness
Flora was born c1801 Canna, Argyll
There may be Jane's husband Duncan McColl (Shepherd) b 1819 Kilchrenan & Dalavich, Argyll & 2 kids Donald c1850 & Margaret c1856
I would like to locate this place but can find nothing on the net, so I'm wondering if I've written it down properly ???
Any help would be much appreciated.
Annie
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Hello Annie,
Think this is the one.
1861 Census. Glenmasson Conaresk Farm, Kilmun.
Duncan McCall 42 Forrester b Kilchrenan, Argyll.
Jean Steele 30 Wife b South Uist, Inverness. [Jean McKeesie]
Flora McKeesie 55 Mother-in-law b " " " [Farmer's Wife]
Archd Marshel 22 Boarder b Strathlachlan, Argyll. [Shepherd]
Regards, Dod.
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Thanks Eck,
That's the very one ;D
I had a note to check it (must have been interrupted at the time) & had deleted it ::)
Strange Jane is using her mother's maiden name yet hubby is at home ???
I have googled that place & came up with "0" :o
Annie
ADDED...............have to laugh at the transcription of names especially MacIsaac ;D
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Hello Annie,
Jean's surname should be Steel without the 'e' on the end. (Sorry, my mistake)
You must have found a different transcription from the A*try one I posted. Because of the difference in Flora's surname between the two, I had a little nosey on SP.
1861 Census. One match for Jean Steel age 30 in Kilmun, Argyll.
No matches for Duncan McCall but there is one match for Duncan McColl age 42.
No matches for Flora McKeesie or MacIsaac but there is one match for Flora McKesic age 55 in Kilmun. (Wonder which one, if any, is right!)
Putting a name in the 'Second Person Forename' Box only works if the surnames are the same, so can't tell if they are in the same household or not.
Regards, Dod.
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Eck,
The Anc one you found is the one I found.
As soon as I saw it I remembered exactly about Jane's mum Flora's surname.......her actual name was MacIsaac but the transcription is a bit out.
I couldn't remember all the details as I couldn't find the copy I saved.
I just had a look at my tree & I also have a note for 1871 to check, (they details were on the same doc. I have deleted)
I just checked freecen & only 1 entry for a Duncan McColl but he's with a different wife (Margaret) & I can't remember what was on the Anc one now as I haven't written anything in the notes apart from to check 1871 so I'm not sure if Anc has Jane with him or not.
The only thing I have written is 1871 Glenmasson Cardie House, Dunoon but the freecen had something different, no mention of the Glenmasson................it says Bute so it can't be the right one ??? or if it is....he is remarried :o
Annie
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Hello Annie,
1871 Census. Road & Glenmasson Cardie House, Dunoon and Kilmun. (A*try)
Household Schedule No:59
Duncan Mccale 51 Ploughman b Kilchrenan, Argyll.
Jean " 40 Wife b Kilpheada, Inverness-shire.
Same address but Household Schedule No:60.
Archibald Mcnicol 30, John Mclair 21, Peter Mcnab 56, John Campbell 26, Donald Mcnicol 28, all Lodgers & Occupation: Fishermen.
1871 Census. (SP) Duncan McCale age 51 with Jean typed in 'Second Person Forename' Box comes up with one match.
Regards, Dod.
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Thanks Eck,
That's the correct one which isn't on freecen.
I thought the freecen one wasn't right but I recognise this one.
Still can't find the place although I found one which is a holiday home which might be it but hard to say as it has changed name if it is.
Will check it out again later.
Seems to have been a large house though.
Annie
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Hello Annie,
Found a place named Corarsik by the River Masson in Kilmun district. If you follow the river northwards it takes you through Glen Masson and eventually to buildings named Glenmassan. (I assume both Corarsik & Glenmassan are farms) Could Corarsik & Conaresk be the same place?
Corarsik shown on this OS 6inch, 1888-1913 Map.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.0226&lon=-4.9999&layers=6
Just a bit further south/south east is Cairdie House. (1888-1913 Map) Named Tiahnacardich on OS 6inch, 1843-1882 Map.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.0060&lon=-4.9820&layers=6
National Library of Scotland (nls) Maps are excellent. On the left of the screen in '1. Select a category' box, choose Scotland from the drop down menu. '2. Select a map/map series' box gives a selection of maps, but the OS 6inch, 183-1882 & 1888-1913 Maps have the most detail. Better still is the OS 25inch, 1892-1905 Map, however, it doesn't cover all areas of Scotland.
Slide the Blue Dot on the left of screen for an up-to-date satellite overview or click on the blue Side by Side at the top of the screen to make comparing then and now easier.
Good luck with your search.
Regards, Dod.
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As a by and by, one of my main lines, in Moidart Argyll was MacIsaac. Family morphed into MacDonald through the mid to late 1800s... BMD certs written up as 'MacIsaac or MacDonald', then just became MacDonald. Took me a while to figure out.
May help Annie for you with searches through this period too.
Monica :)
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As a by and by, one of my main lines, in Moidart Argyll was MacIsaac. Family morphed into MacDonald through the mid to late 1800s... BMD certs written up as 'MacIsaac or MacDonald', then just became MacDonald. Took me a while to figure out.
May help Annie for you with searches through this period too.
Monica :)
Hi Monica,
Jane's mother Flora MacIsaac, although born Canna, was married to my 2 x g grandfather's brother Donald Steele 1822 on Uist where they had 7 kids & both died there.
Flora b c1801, her parents were Neil MacIsaac & Catherine MacArthur (although of course they are not my relatives), do they feature in your MacIsaac's ???
Daughter Jane had moved to Argyll as a single girl (missing from census on Uist) & married there as I discovered from her death cert.
Flora was visiting Jane in 1861 at Glenmasson.
I had the Uist census transcription & Jane's father was down as a widower which I knew to be wrong as I had Flora's death cert. 1866 ::)
So when I had my Anc. "Prescription" I found where she was (Glenmasson) in 1861 & of course daughter Jane & hubby.
I would just love a pic of the place to tie it all in ;D
There were/are many MacIsaac's on Uist & I have them on another branch of my Steele line but they were Uist & Eriskay born.
I just found it amusing the name being transcribed as McKeesie ;D & how I fell upon them is a mystery as I was searching for Flora Steele born Canna so it was a good find but I spent hours trawling all the records as I knew she was still alive then :P
You wonder why the change of name but of course it's unlikely you will ever find out ???
According to the history of the name Steele, they started out as McLean's from Coll but on escaping, took the name Steele from the name of the Skipper but they records don't go back far enough either so I will never know for sure ???
Annie
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Hi Dod,
Thanks for the links, will be interesting if I can navigate my way ;D
I find it exciting when ancestors turn up in different places but this one has got me more interested now as my family were staunch catholic, Jane born Uist, hubby Duncan born Argyll (faith unknown) & they married in Church of England, Greenock.
I hadn't even finished that off when it was abandoned all that time ago so that was a shock but also.....Jane has given her mother's maiden name as McKichan (sic).
I know I have the right person as I have both parent's deaths too Donald & Flora.
Annie
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You probably mean CORRARSK. You can locate it on the Ordnance Survey Map for Argyll published c1860 and free to view online on the National Library of Scotland website. Corrarsk is called Corarsik on later maps (and that is its name today, I believe). After you locate it on the old map, find the road number on a modern map and you may be able to view it on Google streetview.
Trawler
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Thanks trawler for going to all the bother to find this.
I wonder if you could give me a link please as I just can't find it at all.
I'm hopeless with geography....even with a map ::)
Don't know how I managed to conquer orienteering in my youth.
Annie
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The best I could find was this...........
Corrarsk/Coryesk
Corrarsk NS131849 Coryesk Pont 14 Mid Argyll Inverary Loch Awe settlement
http://maps.nls.uk/pont/view/?id=pont14#zoom=5&lat=1443&lon=3336&layers=BT
Annie
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Hi Ammack
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74427456
Use this link to get a 6" to the mile map of part of Kilmun & Dunoon in the 1860s. On screen top left you will see a small blue + & -. Click the + three times. You are interested in the top right quarter of the map. Left click on the map and holding the left mouse button down move the map sideways and down until the top right corner of the map is on the top right corner of your screen.
In the centre of your screen, you should see Corrarsk. I led you to understand you could see it on Google street view without checking it out, sadly that's not the case, as street view isn't available there. Its quite a remote spot. Some of my own ancestors hailed from just down the road, so it was no problem.
Trawler
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Hello,
See Reply 7!!
Click on first link.
Regards, Dod.
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Hi ecksdochter
Sorry, I didn't see your earlier posts.
Trawler