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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Greaves on Wednesday 16 September 15 17:15 BST (UK)
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John Ballinger was the eldest son of William Ballenger and Dianah Cuss. He was born c1808, having been baptised in Down Ampney on 8 Aug 1808. He married Elizabeth PAISH on 29 May 1830 in Latton, Wiltshire.
After their marriage I lost track of the couple. However, recently I have found two references which may relate to them.
In the 1841 census the following family are living at South Carney, Cirencester:
John Ballinger, 30, Ag lab
Elizabeth Ballinger, 30
John Ballinger, 10
Rosana Ballinger, 8
William Ballinger, 6
Sarah Ballinger, 5
George Ballinger, 2
Henry Ballinger, 6m
In the 1851 census, there is this family living in the Parish House, Wicker, Chipping Sudbury:
Elizabeth Ballinger, 51, widow, parish relief
John Ballinger, 29
William Ballinger, 16
Sarah Ballinger, 14
George Ballinger, 13
Henry Ballinger, 10
Do you think (a) they are the same family?, (b) the family I am looking for?
If they are, then John has obviously died between 1841 and 1851. His death, however, is not obvious in the records.
As always, all help gratefully received.
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I see they were in Wickwar in that 1851 census.
In 1861 Henry Ballinger 20 born South Cerney is living as stepson with Charles & Elizabeth Tanner in Wickwar.
Elizabeth's father's details on her remarriage to Charles should confirm whether she is nee Paish.
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27 Jan 1861 Wickwar - marriage
Charles Tanner 62 labourer, father Thomas Tanner labourer
Elizabeth Ballinger 60, father William Paish labourer.
Witnesses: George Ballinger, Eliza Bosser.
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In 1841, the whole family is born in Gloucestershire, except for John whose birthplace isn't specified.
In 1851, they are all born in Latton, Wiltshire.
So contradictory, except as we know we are talking about locations around the Gloucestershire and Wiltshire border and locals probably weren't too concerned or sure as to the county boundary.
But I think the marriage you have found rather confirms they are the same family.
This means that John died sometime between 1841 and 1851, though locating his death isn't proving easy.
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It looks as though there are Poor Law records for the family, showing abode as Wickwar in 1842.
Search here for Ballinger in 1842 and you will see in the list a group with the right forenames sharing the index reference P71 OV 3/2/2/69.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx
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How fascinating. So it looks like John Ballinger was still alive in 1842.
Any idea what registration district Wickwar is in? According to FreeBMD there are only a limited number of possible deaths.
Q1 1842 BALLINGER John Cheltenham 11 180
Q1 1845 BLANCHARD John Melksham 8 308
Q2 1845 BALLINGER John Shipston on S 11 283
Q2 1845 BILLING John Clifton 11 235
Q4 1845 BALLINGER John Cheltenham 11 141
Q1 1847 Blunson John Chipg Sodbury 11 214
Q4 1847 Blanchard John Andover 7 35
Q1 1848 Ballinger John Westbury on S 11 457
Q4 1848 Ballinger John Stroud 11 308
Q2 1849 Ballinger John Thornbury 11 397
Q3 1849 Bullingham John Tewkesbury 11 465
Q4 1849 Ballenger John Chippenham 8 206
Q2 1850 BALLINGER John Gloster 11 275
If I knew where Wikwar was in terms of registration, it would probably make finding his death a little easier
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Chipping Sodbury!
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Yes in the 1851 census they were in the civil parish of Wickwar in the registration district of Chipping Sodbury.
You can also see from FreeBMD that the 1861 Ballinger/Tanner marriage, which we know from the parish register took place in Wickwar, was registered in the district of Chipping Sodbury.
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Well the only recommendation in Chipping Sudbury given by FreeBMD is Q1 1847 Blunson John Chipg Sodbury 11 214. Though to my ear, Blunson sounds nothing like Ballinger!
What do you think?
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Well the only recommendation in Chipping Sudbury given by FreeBMD is Q1 1847 Blunson John Chipg Sodbury 11 214. Though to my ear, Blunson sounds nothing like Ballinger!
What do you think?
Not promising.
He may not have died at home though - a workhouse being one of the possibilities given the poor law records.
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I assume the nearest Workhouse would have been Cirencester. I'm sorry, but my geographical knowledge of this part of the world is very poor.
Or would the one at Stroud have been nearer? I see that there is a death for Stroud in Q4 1848.
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You might like to have a look at this link: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ChippingSodbury/
There were Workhouses in Chipping Sodbury, Wickwar and other nearby places. Cirencester is too far away.
giggsy
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You can discount the Thornbury RD one as he was 74.
Also the Stroud RD one as he was 72.
giggsy
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Many thanks for both the interesting insights into the workhouses (where an awful lot of my relatives seem to have ended up) and the help with elimination.
As far as I can see there are still - if we use the list generated by FreeBMD - 11 possible candidates, though I am at a lost as to why BLUNSON, ironically the only Chipping Sudbury candidate, is included. I really don't want to have to order all 11 certificates!
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I have ordered the Poor Law Reports and I am now awaiting their arrival.
As to identifying the death of John Ballinger, sometime between 1842 and 1851, I am at a loss as to how to proceed.
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I know little to nothing about poor law/overseers' records but I wonder if there is a possibility that his death will be mentioned on there? It may be that an illness or infirmity of his was the reason the family came within the overseers' purview. I will be interested to learn what they do cover.
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I will let you know.
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I have now paid my £6 and received the report of the Overseers from Gloucester Archives. However, I'm not sure what I can share, as I had to sign a declaration to get the report.
In particular, see (b) "will not supply a copy of it to any other person, persons or organisation".
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Without copying it, can you transcribe/summarise the interesting bits in your own words?
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Difficult, as it is very short. I will give it some thought.
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On GloucestershireBMD
Two baptisms for BALLINGER - mother's maiden name PAISH
George 1839 - Cirencester District
Male 1840 - Cirencester District
On the 31 January 1825 at Down Ampney - my x Grandfather Edward BOWN(E) (Widower) married Elizabeth CUSS
Elizabeth died 31 December 1832 age 68 c1764
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Very interesting Capetown, we are obviously very distant relatives. I would be interested to know anything you would like to share about the Bellenger/Bellinger/Ballenger/Ballinger, Cuss or Jewell/Joel families.
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I have been reviewing this and my summary so far is:
1808: John Ballinger, the eldest son of William Ballenger and Dianah Cuss, was born, being baptised in Down Ampney on 8 Aug 1808.
1830: He marries Elizabeth PAISH on 29 May 1830 in Latton, Wiltshire.
1831: family removed from Latton to Wickwar
1841: family resident in South Cerney, Glos (both parents and 6 children)
1842: Elizabeth - having been deserted by John - removed from South Carney to Wickwar, the last legal residence of her husband
1851: Elizabeth and 4 youngest children living in Parish House, Wickwar, Chipping Sodbury
1861: Elizabeth - now a widow - re-marries to Charles Tanner in Wickwar, Chipping Sodbury
From all of which I conclude that John Ballinger must have died somewhere between 1841 and 1861, though having said that I still can't pin his death down. Any suggestions?