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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: pennysteve on Thursday 17 September 15 14:35 BST (UK)
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Need some help. My mom married a Frederick clark I have the marriage cert, and I have been trying for long time to find fredericks father. On the wedding cert, is Frederick marry oct 14 1944 to Kathleen mary box. Frederick dad is Josiah clark. I have spent loads time looking and unable to trace. They was married in Smethwick. I hope someone might have clue.
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What occupation is listed for Josiah?
Was Frederick born in 1923?
If you have a look at his birth on Free BMD you will see mothers maiden name listed and can then check for a marriage for the parents.
Apologies if you have already done this but one looks likely :)
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Was Frederick a 'bachelor' when he married
Is this likely to be Josiah's death
March qtr 1954
Josiah Clark
age 73
Smethwick reg district 9b 487
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Yes Frederick was a bachelor age 21, he was born 1923. Maybe 8 march 1923. He married Kathleen mary box. Josiah clark was a toolmaker, lived at 28 john st, Smethwick on the wed cert. Frederick was also a toolmaker.
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I cannot find who Josiah married or his parents, I really have no idea.
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If you have a look at his birth on Free BMD you will see mothers maiden name listed and can then check for a marriage for the parents.
If you look at the 1923 birth it will give you his mothers maiden name - the person Josiah married.
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There's a Josiah Clark in Smethwick in 1901 son of Joseph & Mary. Occupation iron turner at engineer works same as his father. He is single and age 20. Not with the family on the next census so he could be married (poss 1903) and out of the home.
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I have looked for Josiah mom, I found harris but I have no idea. Not sure where he was born. That's great I could not find nothing. I wonder if that's the correct one? So hard to work out.
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Sorry just to clarify is it Fredericks father you are looking for or further back?
You might need to get some certificates to prove things.
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Ok I see where the Harris comes in.
Joseph Alexander Clark married Mary Ann Harris Sep 1875.
On census Josiah is born Harborne Staffs 1881/1891 Smethwick Staffs 1901.
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Yes Frederick father. I am lost.
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Births Jun 1880
Clark Josiah
King's N.
This is the Josiah from the 1881/1891/1901 census with parents Joseph and Mary but we need to confirm his marriage (poss 1903) and that he was indeed the father of Frederick.
Birth certificate for Frederick would confirm who his mother was.
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This is the possible marriage as one of the surnames Caddick matches the mothers maiden name for the Frederick birth in 1923. I realise this is 20 years before Frederick was born but possible.
Marriages Mar 1903
Bibb Jane
Caddick Annie
Clark Josiah
Plant John
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Frederick parents yes. But I still unable to find joseph and mary 1901, I have just been looking. Do you think possible parents?
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1901
Joseph A Clark 45
Mary A Clark 43
Josiah 20
Bertram E 13
Maud E 7
Hilda M 3
Joseph and Mary are definite parents of Josiah but is he "your" Josiah that is the question.
Frederick is born 20 years after this one gets married which isn't impossible but really need his birth to confirm we have the right mother - Annie Caddick.
If so then everything is correct, if not we start again!
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I have found trade directories, 1849 mr j clark at the same address clothes sale man. as what is on the wedding cert of Kathleen and fred. So could this be the great grand parents to fred.?
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Joseph was born 1856 and his parents are possibly Phillip Martin Clark a bolt maker and Emma but there could be more than one Joseph born same year/place so pinch of salt with that one for now.