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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: daisynook on Monday 21 September 15 14:22 BST (UK)
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I am following up on a previous thread from 2011 which got tangled up with Angel Meadow. I was looking for a marriage of Gallager/Phillips and a kind person gave me the following information:
Marriage 22 Jun 1862 at St James, Accrington, Lancashire
John Phillips, aged 29 - Father: James Phillips
Ann Gallagher, aged 35 - Father: John Conolly
Could anyone find an earlier marriage for Ann Gallagher as she was quite old when she marriage John Phillips?
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Where are they on census after they married.
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William lived at 1 Shuttleworth Street, Pendleton, Salford on 1861 census, 3 Back Irk Court on 1881 Census, I also have another address for them but I don't know when they were there 30 Lillian Street, Beswick
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The marriage to John Phillips says she is a widow age 35 occupation washer woman father John Connolly soldier
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William lived at 1 Shuttleworth Street, Pendleton, Salford on 1861 census, 3 Back Irk Court on 1881 Census, I also have another address for them but I don't know when they were there 30 Lillian Street, Beswick
Is it not John ?
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So sorry, that's what comes of research 2 threads at the same time!! Please disregard the last post, the address I have for them is Worth Street, in 1871
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If i have the correct Marriage would that mean Ann's maiden name was Conolly?
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Worth street where :-\ ;D
Sorry but I am not seeing Ann on census anywhere, could you please tell us where she was born.
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Yes, father John Conolly, she was born in Bolton
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Don't know where Worth Street was but presumably in Manchester
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There is a possible marriage in Manchester in 1855 on family search Ann Connelly John Gallagher Elizabeth Lind Patrick O'brien
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Found them in Worth Street Manchester in 1871. It gives Johns occupation as a warehouseman and they have 4 children all born Manchester the eldest being Thomas age 8.
The occupation on the 1862 Accrington marriage cert for John Phillips is Engine tenter.
1861 John and Ann Phillips are in Manchester and appear to be already married - he is working in a warehouse RG9 /2958 f73 p48
They appear to be a different couple :-\
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There is a possible marriage in Manchester in 1855 on family search Ann Connelly John Gallagher Elizabeth Lind Patrick O'brien
According to Lancashirebmd Ann Connelly married Patrick O'Brien
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This is possibly the Manchester John Phillips in 1841 (there is a Jemima which is one of the name John and Ann used for their children)
H0107/575 f5 p5
William Phillips 50
Elizabeth Phillips 35
Walter Phillips 17
Henry Phillips 18
Elizabeth Phillips 13
Thomas Phillips 6
John Phillips 5
Jemima Phillips 3
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I'm sure the Worth Street one is the right one. They had 4 children one of them being my great-grandmother Jemima and the eldest Thomas. I don't quite understand the earlier marriage, does this mean her first marriage was to Patrick O'Brien, where does Elizabeth Lind come in?
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In 1871 Jemima is 4 - could this be her birth registration
1866
PHILLIPS Jemima
Mothers maiden name MCGILL
STG/95/88
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Other children with mothers mn McGill - Thomas, William & James
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I'm really confused now!! Jemima was born in July 1866 in Manchester that's right but I have her mother has Ann Gallager unless that is another name if she had been widowed.
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I have Jemima's siblings as Thomas, William, Henry.
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1871 census has
Thomas 8
William 6
Jemima 4
Henry 2
Other children with mothers mn McGill - Thomas, William & James
Those with McGill as MMN on Lancsbmd are
Thomas 1862
William 1864
Jemima 1866
James 1872
There is this marriage :-\
MCGILL Ann
FULLER John Phillips
Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church)
The marriage cert says that John Phillips Fuller is a warehouseman and no fathers name is mentioned.
Ann McGills father is Peter McGill occ Gas Maker
They are both 23
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I'm really confused now!! Jemima was born in July 1866 in Manchester that's right but I have her mother has Ann Gallager unless that is another name if she had been widowed.
I assume you have Jemima's birth certificate. What information does it give
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The 1871 Census looks like the right one. I have them living at 34 Lower Tebbutt St, Strangeways, Manchester on 1881 Census and later with daughter Jemima and her husband John Edward in 1901
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No I don't have marriage cert, will have to send off for it
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1841 535/8/8
Coronation Square, Bolton
Peter McGill 30 yrs
Catharine McGill 30 yrs
Bridget McGill 13 yrs
Elizabeth McGill 11 yrs
Michael McGill 6 yrs
Ann McGill 4 yrs
James McGill 2 yrs
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No I don't have marriage cert, will have to send off for it
Do you mean the birth cert. :-\ Where does the information that her maiden name was Gallagher come from.
Rosie
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It looks as though the James bn c1872 died the same year. :'(
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I'm afraid it came from another family member who had been researching! :-[ Ann Gallagher born 1837 Bolton married John Phillips June 1862 in Accrington and the family were definitely called Phillips
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Just to add further confusion
Manchester Cathedral baptism
Jemima Phillips daughter of John & Ann born 23 June 1866 - bapt 6 October 1867 abode Manchester fathers occ Pork Butcher (It would not surprise me if the clergy had this wrong as he appears to be doing bulk baptisms so probably written up later)
Williams bapt (born 13 April 1864) says occ Packer
Henry bn 5 November 1868 no occ for father given
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The Ann that got married to John Phillips is down as 35 on the marriage cert so she would of been born in 1827 not 1837?
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Yes, it does get more confusing! I have William down as occupation Salt Worker 1901 census
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Ann was definitely a widow when she was living with Jemima and husband John Edward McMullen in 1901
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Thank you rosie99 for all your hard work.
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I have only just joined Rootschat and read these posts. John Phillips, Ann McGill and children are my ancestors and are not, as far as I know, related to a Gallagher family. Let me know if you want any further info.
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Hello jersey51, Are you saying that John Phillips and Ann McGill are the parents of Jemima who married John Edward McMullen, Thomas, William and Henry Phillips? I had given up looking for the connections having doubts that the Gallagher were the same family as the dates were wrong.
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Hi Daisynook. Yes, my John Phillips and Ann McGill are the parents of Thomas, William, Jemima and Henry. Thomas is my great grandfather. Have been unable to find birth of John Phillips but when he married Ann he used the name John Phillips Fuller, Fuller being his mother's maiden name.
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This is great news, at last I can confirm the next generation down. Do I have Ann's birth date right as 23 June 1866? Could you also tell me where she was born, her death date and marriage date to John? I have a birth of 1831 for John in Exminster, Devon but I don't have documentation on that.
Ann would be my second great grandmother!! :) Don't know how we are related yet, pleased to meet you. Perhaps you could give me some information on your branch of the family and I am happy to supply you with any information you would like on my branch.
My avatar is Jemima and John Edward McMullen
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Daisynook,
1861 has two John and Ann Phillips
One John is born Manchester; the other is born Bristol, Somerset.
Rosie gives the reference in post # 11
It still looks complicated but jersey51 - welcome ;) will help us.
Heywood
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I wonder if Jersey51 is still around? I'm still trying to follow up on John Phillips Fuller or Fuller Phillips married to Ann McGill.
My great-grandmother was Jemima Phillips, daughter of the above. I wonder if you have any evidence of the name Fuller - believed to be John's mothers name?
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Its a shame, it looks like Jersey51 isn't around any longer shame as I wanted to know more about his branch of the family William Thomas Phillips. Since all that research back to 2016 I have found a lot more on this family. The John last referred to was born in Manchester. I have discovered that the parents of John Fuller Phillips were both widow and widower and this was why I couldn't pin down John Fuller's mother who was calling herself Walton which must have been her previous marriage and she was born in Monmouthshire, Wales and I've no idea who William's first wife was. Some of John Fuller Phillips brothers and sisters were born in Wales but not sure which ones although I know Jemima b.1839 was born in Manchester. I've been trying to pin down a marriage for her and can see two possibles in 1861.
Anyone find anything more enlightening?