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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Tuesday 22 September 15 15:12 BST (UK)
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Well this fella, bless him is the illegitimate son of Susannah Mutton
born in 1850 Kelmarsh Northampton.
I have most info on him, but anything anyone can 'turn up' would be great.
My query is regarding his wives death... cannot find it.!!
Here is what I have on Sid.
He was born before his Mothers marriage to James Patrick (gentleman Baker) of Clipston Northampton around 1850.
1861 for Great Bowden shows him as SON of James and Susannah
1871 ditto he is shown as Carpenter.
Then off into the big wide world, :)
I couldn't find him in further Census rtns -- :( but then found him as below:-
He marries in 1877 a Sarah Woods (widow of full age) fathers name Benjamin Denton,
In Newington SURREY - no idea why he is down there ... Her Father is also a BAKER and
Sid states father as James Patrick BAKER.
So when attempting to find him after this date... there was nothing..... UNTIL
I sadly found the probate record attached.... which confused me slightly :)
It is saying Sarah Patrick wife of Henry Arthur etc etc.. Needs reading by a.n.other pair of eyes
to understand.
I then attempted to find Sids wife Sarah -- to no AVAIL cos I didn't really know whether to look in Surrey, Mkt. Harborough or under the carpet :) :) and the midnight oil burnt out on me..
so would love some help on this one xxx
xin
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Henry Arthur Patrick married Sarah Patrick (widow) at St Peter, Walworth on 18 Oct 1882.
Their judicial separation papers (1895) show that during their marriage they resided at 34 Portland St, Walworth.
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OH -- Crikey she didn't wait long then did she, got to find who Henry was - which branch he is from...
uhmmm no wonder I was confused
thanks AVM
xin
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Henry Arthur Patrick was a baker, 25, of 34 Portland St, at the time of the 1882 marriage. His father was William Patrick, a jeweller.
Sarah was 40, a widow, of 34 Portland St. Her father (as you know) was Benjamin Denton, baker.
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thank you, curiouser and curiouser
I googled the address - just an ordinary semi - didn't look like some kind of bakery -
will have to check this out thoroughly.
There surely wasn't two Sidneys ...
:) :)
xin
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Henry's parents appear to have been William and Sarah of Guilsborough/Clipstone, Northants. Does that help?
His birth reg: Henry Arthur Patrick, Dec qtr 1856 Brixworth.
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Yep - brilliant... what a crew this lot.
Now William is James 's brother - from Clipston great can work from there to find Henry..
Been searching the papers for other odd snippets - will have another look
brilliant thank you
xin
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Sorry I'm not helping with the thread - Isn't that a lovely expression they used to use
"the relict of".......................
Sandra
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yes reminds me of the phrase ... 'Oi you old Relic' my granpops used to say - always meant in fun of course. Now I know what it means... :)
and carrying on with the thread
I need to find the will of the boys Mother that caused so much upset... as per attached..
the Mother is as follows.
bn Ann Jarman 1802 Clipston dies circa 1886 as Ann Patrick 'RELICT' :) of David who died in 1860
If I could find the link to her death and her will that would be great... the one I thought I had found in 'CASTOR' when I followed it through was a.n.other lady.
I would love to know why the Will seemingly caused upset between the 4 sons...
xin
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Ann Patrick, 79 b Clipstone, was in the household of her son Edward Patrick in the 1881 census (Market Harborough district) so this death looks possible (give or take a year in age).
Sep qtr 1881: Ann Patrick aged 78, Market Harborough 7a 6.
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thank you :)
will look into that one
xin :)
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Just had a lovely read of the Divorce papers... very interesting. They also gave a little bit of extra info.. regarding the fact a child was born to Sarah and Henry, but sadly died..
Interesting lady.. cant find a 'definite' death for her or for the senior lady Ann Patrick..
But such a big fall out within the family - such a shame.
Have found Sarah up to 1911 and she is 71 living on own means it is her I am sure due to birth place. So on with the search..
xin
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Synopsis:
this is why my head has turned to 'mush'
Sidney gill mutton Patrick!!!
born 1850 Kelmarsh the illegitimate son of Susannah Mutton
Susannah later married James Patrick – who took Sidney on as his Son, now
is that because he was ??? we will never know..
Sid married Sarah Woods a widow – she was nee Denton and born 1840 in
Felstead Essex.
They had one son Sidney James Patrick 1879 (not followed as yet)
Then Sidney snr died in 1880 in Mkt Hbr..
After which in 1882 !!! Sarah - Woods – Denton – Patrick---- married Henry Arthur ‘PATRICK’ the first cousin of Sidney
(albeit dependant on who Sid's real Daddy was)
They had one child sadly died early.
Then Henry and Sarah divorced…… and Sarah went on to live life by herself..
Sarah continues to live by herself after this and I found her seemingly self sufficient in the 1911 and shown as a 'Widow'!?
Henry doesn’t seem to marry again, but states married in later census.(1911)
He then turns up in the 1901 with his brother Charles David/ David Charles who is another
one who seemed to wander around and swop wives etc. D.c's first wife must die or run away and he either marries or sets up home with a new wife Emily Wood…..(Hobbiss)
When I first saw the name of David charles wife I thought …. oh dear, because :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
!!Sidney's wife Sarah was previously married to a Mr Wood and had a daughter Emily Wood
then Sarah marries Henry and I presume that means that Emily is step daughter of Henry, and
...... so when I thought she had married Charles I was falling deeper into confusion, cos if it is the Emily Wood that is the daughter of Sarah then Charles would be her step uncle… maybe. :o :o
Now these two sons of William (bn 1826 Clipston) are from his first marriage to Priscilla, he
married again to a Sarah and they went on to have 4 children, one of these Clara is shown with Henry in the 1891. so I am almost positive this is the correct line I am following.
All the above makes me wonder how on earth, I am managing to sort this family out at all…
The 1911 of David Charles, he is living with his wife Emily --- who luckily turned out NOT to be
the step daughter of his brother but that of an Emily Wood Hobbiss from Warwickshire, so that was a relief..
However they are now living in Biddulph Street Leicester and guess what,
I grew up around the corner and I know that’s a definite. 8)
I hope your brains are now as addled as mine is with this lot… ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
xin
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I know this is 3 yrs old...
but I am updating things on my tree.. as had (due to a certain FLOOD!!!in 2014/5) lost/mislaid a lot of this info..
SO thank goodness for Rootschat - because being able to pick this page up again for this absollllllutely mad family has helped me.
Now I have copies of the divorce papers saved on drop box but they are illegible dpi too small. so will have to find them again..
Where (somebody please remind me) did I get them from???
was it on Ancestry or did I send off and have the originals somewhere... If so I should still have them.
Its funny (not) but it has taken me until now to completely assess what being flooded out actually did ..and it shot my brain that is for sure...
never mind lots of docs stored in safe places so thats good.
xin