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Thomas Davis
Birth: dd mm 1879 - Sligo, Ireland
Occupier:Thomas Davis Lessor:Major Chas O'HaraCounty:SligoBarony:LeynyParish:KilloranTownland:Carrowleam Name:Thomas DavisGender:MaleBirth Date:22 Jul 1875 Birth Place:Sligo, Ireland Father's name:William Davis Mother's name:Jane Cregg or Greff
Name:Thomas Davis Birth Date:24 Sep 1879 Birth Place:Sligo, Father's name:
William Davis
1854 died 1929 Tobercurry Mother's name:Jane Creff Davis Married 1873 residence Carrowhicken
Jane born 1852 ( Tobercurry died 1926 ?? )
Hi Everyone, If anybody has any knowledge of any of the above please let me know. I have come to a dead end. Thanks Ken
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Hi Ken
Welcome to RootsChat ;D
Do you have certificates to confirm these relationships? William and Jane's marriage certificate should name both their fathers and give occupations. Jane's surname is showing as CRAIG in the indexes.
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
You will find William and Jane and their family in 1901 and 1911 in Sligo. Their ages in 1911 are a bit askew.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Debra :)
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Hi There & Welcome
First of all, click the 'report to moderator' button and get this thread moved to the Sligo Ireland board where you will be able to get lots of local help !
Tara
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So, Next
As Dundee said, what proof do you have that William & Jane are Thomas' parents ?
Where was Thomas in 1901 ?
Anyway, for now, for others reference here are the William & Jane being referred to in 1901.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Coolaney/Coolaney/1688098/
. . . and again in 1911 !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Coolaney/Coolaney/772910/
So. if you let us know all the information that you have so that we can help you !
Tara
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Again, for reference
This William & Jane had a son called Thomas b 1875 whom obviously passed away in childhood.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8M-Y32
A later son b 1879 was then given the name Thomas, a common practice.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN6-ZS6
Tara
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. . . a Margaret
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGLC-1R2
. . . and a James too
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5CB-THY
Tara
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Coolaney on GV
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/sligo/killoran.htm
Tara
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The marriage of William and Jane.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYQW-ZQ3
Tara
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Thomas Davis of Coolaney, Will.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00100.pdf
Tara
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This then would be Mary Jackson, nee Davis.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Ballintogher_East/Gortlownan/1681987/
When you get the marriage of WIlliam and Jane, and IF it gives the father of William to be Thomas, then the above will would be his father and this Mary Davis Jackson would be William's sister.
Still early days though.
Tara
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On the same page there is also a William Davis of Coolaney.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00100.pdf
Tara
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The James Donaghey from the above will.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Coolaney/Carrownleam/1688096/
Tara
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Another Davis of Coolaney will.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014908/005014908_00108.pdf
Tara
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Thanks to Debra and Tara and anyone else for your replies. Some interesting leads to follow up. Will update you all when I have more information.
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No Probs
Let us know how you get on and then we can help take your search further.
Tara
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William Davis b 1847 and his wife Jane Craig are in my now public Livingston family tree in Ancestry.
William's mother was Ann Livingston b1807 who married James Davis b1811. The two families lived in Rathbarron, Sligo, in the Parish of Killroan, in adjoining houses that shared a roof. One of my Livingston connections was still living in the house when I visited in 1999.
Anne's brother John Livingston was my 2 x gt grandfather. Their father was Thomas Livingston of Rathbarron.
The information in my tree on the Davis family has mostly come from another Davis descendant.
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My Ancestry tree is more up to date than any text I have, though I have not visited this part of my tree for some time. But if you cannot access my tree, I do have a very old word file with some basic information.There is no text on the subsequent generations. I can come down further into the Davis family if you let me know which ones you are most interested in. There are rather a lot.
Ann Livingston & James DAVIS
Ann was probably the oldest daughter of Thomas and ?Ann Livingston. Ann married c1827 to James DAVIS son of William DAVIS and Catherine ARMSTRONG of Rathbarron. James Davis was born c 1811 and died in Coolaney on 3 July 1876 aged 65. A member of the Davis family has researched the family of James Davis and Ann Livingston. (Side note: this researcher is also a professional researcher who was based in Sligo when I met her in 2001?)
Ann & James DAVIS had children:
John DAVIS b c1827 m Jane SPROULL in 1852
Richard DAVIS b c1835
Jane DAVIS b c 1838 m Daniel CREAN in 1859
Mary Anne DAVIS b c 1838 m William BARBER
Thomas DAVIS b c 1845 m Margaret Anne LILLIE
William DAVIS b c 1847 m Jane CRAIG
James DAVIS
Interestingly I was just looking at the link to Ballymote tombstone photos posted by Hallmark in the Morrison post in the Sligo site, and one of these was for an Oswald Alexander Armstrong, Inspector in the RIC. I was interested in that as my grandfather was Oswlad Livngston and his father William Livingston was in the RIC so I wondered if that was where the name Oswald came from.
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Onto the next generation:
Looking at my Davis family I can confirm the information from previous responders. Thomas born 1875, son of William and Jane presumably died pre 1879. Sisters were Margaret and Jane and others.
I only have the year of birth, 1879, for the 2nd Thomas Davis and no further information so his family was not known to the Davis researcher that I met.
Family of William Davis and Janes Craig:
James Davis b 1874 m Elizabeth ?
Thomas Davis b 1875 d <1879
Margaret Davis b1877 married John Crean
Thomas Davis b 1879
Mary Anne Davis b 1882 married James Brown
Eliza Davis b 1884 married Edward R Jackson
Jane Davis b 1886 married William T Craven
Frances Davis b1891 married Robert King
William Davis b 1893 married Margery Barbour
Several of these people have sprouted green leaves in my tree so I shall go explore the hints now.
Cheers
Linda (NZ)
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The James Donaghey from the above will.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Coolaney/Carrownleam/1688096/
Tara
Davis/Donaghy g/stone, Killoran Parish Church, Coolaney
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Hi Linda,
Thanks so much for all that important information. I wonder from your signature do you live in NZ as we do? We are in the North close to Auckland. Yes ,please delve deeper if you can as I am relatively new to genealogical research but must admit am enjoying it immensely.
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Eliza Davis b 1884 married Edward R Jackson
These two were my Maternal grandparents.
Regards,
Joan
Cavan, Ireland
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Hi Joan,
I have two daughters for Edward Rowlette Jackson and Eliza Davis:
Violet Frances Jackson (who died 2003) married Oswald Oliver Peel
Elizabeth Isabella Jackson(died 1993) who married William T Black
And one son, Norman Bennett Jackson who died 1983.
I will have had some of this information from L Peel. However I also have some information on the Black family as William Thomas Black was the son of Isabella Marrion Black, daughter of my 2x gt Aunt Jane Livingston. I checked back on Wm T Black's father Wm Henry Black also so I would know which Black family was which. These families are in my Livingston family tree in Ancestry
Cheers
Linda (NZ)
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https://rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=22432/DavidBLACK/Coolaney/Sligo
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Hi Hallmark
That is the right location. The tombstone photo I have for A Marrion Black (d 17 Jul 1953) and husband William Henry Black (d 9 June 1965) is Carrowmacarrick, and their son John Black who died 1979 at Barnbrack. I have it in with the photos I took at Beltra in 1999 but my Rathbarron photos are on the next page.
I do not have any data from the next generation though, so cannot place David Black who died 2007.
The Rathbarron church is just down the road from the original farm of Thomas Livingston and his Davis neighbour.
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By the way the tombstone does say Isabella Marrion Black, Carrowmacarrick, it is just that the ell bits have lost their lettering so the A was on its own. And the Ca of carromacarrick has also faded.
And I should say John Black of Barnabrack died 6 Dec 1979.
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Hi Linda, I had never heard of this site till yesterday so decided to have a peep last night and came across your post.
Elizabeth Isabella Jackson (Known as Lily) was my mother, I was Joan Black from Rathbarron parish (Killoran)
Norman Jackson, the 2nd name Bennett, does not sound right, will try and check it out.
There was another son Edward, who died about 4 years ago in U.K. aged 93. He has 3 sons.
I also think there is a slight mix up of Davis, my great grandparents did not live at Rathbarron they lived at a location about 3 miles away, it was know as Green Road, Coolaney, but possibly had another address other than Green Road.
Where are you living.
Joan.
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Hi Joan,
I am in New Zealand and have only visited Sigo 3 times. My first visit was in 1999 when my mother and I stayed with one of her Livingstone 2nd cousins at Cuiltybar near Coolaney. His uncle was John McMaster who lived in the Rathbarron farmhouse of Thomas Livingston (Thomas Levingston in Griffiths) who was the father of Ann Livingston b c 1807 who married James Davis of Green Road.
Another 2n cousin in the Livingstone family was still farming the Gortakeeran farm of my 2x gt grandfather John Livingston.
My gt grandgather William Livingston was in the RIC so did not live in Sligo but married a Clarke from Skreen and both are buried at the Skreen Church. My parents visited with the Clarke cousins in 1982. I think it may have been one of the Clarke connections who had the key to the gate of Beltra cemetery, which is where Isabella and William Henry Black are buried. I recognise the ground covering creeper that we had to wade through to see the tombstones. I would have taken the photo as I knew my 2x gt grandfather's youngest sister Jane Livingston b1861 married a Thomas Black from Ballysadare, but at that time I did not know as much about the Davis family.
I don't think there are likely to be two Isabella Marrion Blacks married to William Henry Blacks. I have your grandfather William Thomas Black as born 1 Sep 1920m which is too late to be able to check his parents on the irishgenealogy site. (Wm T died 1972 at Ballymacarrick). But if he had a sister Isabella Black b Dec 1912 who married Percy Nairn then I can check her birth which will name her parents. I also have a Crofton Black listed as a brother of William T Black and another Crofton as brother of William Henry Black.
I have not been back in this family in my tree since the irishgenealogy site opened. I am currently taking my first look at the Clarke family since the irishgenealogy site opened.
It would have been in 1999 that I met your 2nd cousin? L Peel who had researched the Davis family. I think she was living with her grandmother Violet Jackson at the time. I do have access to her private tree on Ancestry but cannot see the names of any living family. Edward would be the one whose name I cannot see as he is still marked as living on that tree.
Cheers
Linda
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Hi Joan,
I have had a look at my travel diary from 1999 and see we also met Eileen (Thompson) Black who was married to William Thomas Black's brother John Black born 1910. This was the same day I visited Beltra Church. Eileen gave us information about the Thompson family and Mary Crean. (Crean family in Davis line).
Cheers
Linda
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Hi Joan,
My original post about the Rathbarron farm was misleading in that the Davis who was in the other half of the duplex farmhouse was Thomas Davis, not the father of James Davis who married Ann Livingston pre 1845. There is probably some connection but I do not know it.
Actually I am not sure of the source which identifies William Davis and Catherine Armstrong as the parents of James Davis. Those are the parents as seen in the Davis Ancestry tree but back in 1999 James parents had not been identified. William Davis of Coolaney was a soldier and alive in 1824 as per Tithes.
Mary Ann Crean b 1885, daughter of Eliza Davis and Daniel Crean, and granddaughter of Ann Livingston, married John Martin Thompson. They were the parents of Eileen Thompson who married John Black.
Cheers
Linda
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Thanks for that I must get my head around that. I knew Eileen well as she was my Aunt by marriage, she passed away about 3 or 4 years ago. The David Black who died in 2007 was my only brother.
Do you live i New Zealand?
Regards,
Joan.
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I am going to make copies of all this. Could you please let me have your own
ancestry line. The L Peel genealogist you got information from is a granddaughter of Violet Frances Jackson (Peel) and Oswald Peel) her father was George their eldest son she also has a brother Denis. There are quite a big crowd of Davis ancestors, some emigrated to United States.
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Sorry Linda I missed reply no 26 will digest this. Its a crisp frosty day here so must get out for a walk bef
ore the snow comes.
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Hi Linda, Marrion (Black) married William Henry Black, (my Grandparents) their Son John Black b 1910, Isobel b 1912 died 1972 married Percy Nairn (3 sons Ronald died about 4 years ago, Alan living and another son Leslie who died aged about 3 years.
William Thomas Black b 1920 (my Father d 1972)
Crofton b 1925 d 2000 and something.
Hope this is of some smal lhelp.
So you stayed at Cuiltybar with Arthur (Gordon) Levingstone he is still alive.
His wife has died also a son.
There was a Davis man on other side of village of Coolaney wo was related to Donaghys I am fairly sure, I used to hear my mother talking about lots of different people as a child, a lot of it went over my head but some is still there, cannot remember his first name, he died some shooting incident and a Sproule man had the farm don't know if he was related or he bought it.
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Eileen Black has a grandson Alasdair Freeborn married and living near Christchurch,NZ
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Wills http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ln4/
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Will Registers
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ln5/
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Hi Joan,
Thomas Livingston of Rathbarron b1782and wife Ann are my 3x gt grandparents. John Livingston b c1812 of Gortakeeran and wife Mary Wallace from Easky are my 2x gt grandparents.
My gt grandfather William Livingston b1856 who was in the RIC married Margaret Clarke from Carrownree, Skreen. They went to live in Londonderry after William retired from the RIC and that is where my grandparents met. Grandfather Oswald George Livingston and grandmother Wilhelmina Foster Dougherty came out to NZ in 1922 shortly after they married.
I try not to name living people when posting so will stop there. I will send you a personal message a bit later.
By the way William's brother Jeremiah Livingston b1847 was also in the RIC and lived in Cavan. His only son was John James Livingston of Coolnacarrick. Arthur met up with him when he was in his 90s. Glad to know Arthur is still alive as I have not heard from him since Zoe died. Arthur did a huge amount of research on the Livingstons after he moved to Cuiltybar.
When my parents visited Ireland in 1982 they met up with and chatted with another NZ couple on the ferry across to Ireland. I am fairly sure that may have been Eileen's grandson or perhaps his parents as when my parents knocked on Eileen's door there were cries of "what are you doing here" as the same couple were visiting Eileen.
Cheers
Linda.
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Thank you Hallmark for the links to wills.
Thomas Black of Lugawarry who died 1913 was the husband of Jane Black nee Livingston, youngest sister of my gt grandfather William Livingston. Their son was William Livingston Black who died 1968 and is buried at Rathbarron.
Wm L Black was married to Daisy Tuach, granddaughter of my gt grandfather's oldest sister Ann Livingston. Wm L Black's daughter Muriel who died 1987 was the wife of John McMaster of Rathbarron,who farmed the original Livingston farm at Rathbarron. We actually don't know where the Livingstons were pre 1825 , though it is possible they came from Glasgow.
Cheers
Linda
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Hi I just discovered this site. I've began to do a small bit of geology as a birthday present for my brother. I'm trying to find out all I can about my dad's dads and my mum's mums. My mother was Olive Fraser nee Black. I was hoping someone could tell me if my research is correct and if someone has and info, pictures, dates, stories... Anything about the following women I would greatly appreciate it!
Olive Black 1948-2016 married John Fraser 1948-2014.
Eileen Thompson 1918-2015 married John Black 1910-1979.
Mary Anne Crean 1885-____ married John Thompson 1898-____.
Eliza Davis 1850-____ married Daniel Crean 1845-____.
Anne Livingston 1807-____ married James Davis 1811-1876.
Anne______ m Thomas Livingston.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of these.
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You can try https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp and try searching using the likes of this and relevant Year ranges even leaving out District if you don't know it.
Alter search for others as needed...
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For Mary Crean you can try 1901 Census for her on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
and search for others
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For Creans
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I could look for you but many love making discoveries for themselves.....and ask if they get stuck on something.
Enjoy and have fun! ;D
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That's a great help everyone thank you
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I know, for a beginner it can be daunting, but if you are not over-exact you can find many quite easily and learn how to search records for others rather than having names/dates posted and then not learning how to search.
Then, as and when you have time, can research at your own pace....
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Of course it helps if you put correct Surname in Surname box...unlike my examples!! ;D ;D
As a mere Male I was multi-tasking when doing them... trying to drink coffee and doing the examples at same time!
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Starting at the end of the list of names with my ancestors:
Thomas Livingston (1782-1871)
Thomas Livingston (born circa 1782) is the earliest Livingston in our family tree as at 2012. The earliest record we have is the mention in the O’Hara Estate (Sligo) records of 1846 which says that a Thomas Leviston has sown “cabbages and 2 acres of potatoes and 3 acres of oats” on the land at Rathbarron, Sligo. There is no record of Thomas at Rathbarron prior to 1800 and neither does he appear anywhere in the Tithes in 1825 so either Thomas did not rent land prior to 1848 (i.e could have lived in a town) or he was not in Ireland.
Ann (1794-1877)
Ann Livingston, a farmer’s widow who died at Rathbarron on 11 Jul 1877 aged 93 was probably Thomas’s wife. Ann was born c 1794. George Whyte was present at her death. (George Whyte married Ann Livingston, granddaughter of Thomas, daughter of my 2x gt grandfather John Livingston).
The next generation are the ones I listed back on ?page 3 of this thread. Ann Livingston and James Davis
Cheers
Linda
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Next two generations.
Ann LIVINGSTON (1807-1885)
Ann born c1807 was probably the oldest daughter of Thomas and Ann Livingston.
Ann married (probably c1830) James DAVIS son of William DAVIS and Catherine ARMSTRONG of Rathbarron. James Davis was born c 1811 and died in Coolaney on 3 July 1876 aged 65.
The Davis family lived at Green Rd, Coolaney.
Ann died 1885 aged 78.
Eliza Jane DAVIS (1838-1907)
m Daniel CREAN on 7 Mar 1859 in Killoran.
In 1901 census Daniel & Elizza Crean at Carrickbonagher, Co Sligo
Eliza Jane died 23 Feb 1907. Daniel Crean died 22 Dec 1923
CHN:
James Crean (1870-1958) Cloonacurrah. Married Elizabeth Black. 1911 =5 sons, 4 daughters.
Thomas Crean (1872-1953) Carrickbanagher. Married 1910 Mary Jane. 8 chn born >1911
William Crean (1874 -?)
John Crean (1875-1914) Pennsylvania USA. Married Margaret Davis, dau of William Davis and Jane Craig. One son John born 1910 (another son John b1906 died 1906)
Joseph Crean (1881-?)
Robert Crean (1883 - ?)
Mary Anne Crean (1885 - ?) married 1911 to John Martin Thompson. One daughter.
Frederick Crean (1887-1889)
Richard Crean (1889-1971) Collooney. Married 1936 to Anne Irwin. One daughter.
Cheers
Linda
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By the time I get to that 3rd generation, Eliza Davis and Daniel Crean, my written notes are getting more sparse and are not as up to date as my Ancestry tree.
For instance Thomas Crean (1872-1953) married Mary Jane Craven and I think I have one more son for his older bother James Crean born 1870.
I do not have a date of death for Mary Ann Crean or her husband John Martin Thompson but I do have more children in my Ancestry Livingston tree than the one daughter in my notes .
Cheers
Linda
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So to answer your question; yes the details appear to be correct. I have the same dates and spouses for Olive and Eileen.
Olive Black 1948-2016 married John Fraser 1948-2014.
Eileen Thompson 1918-2015 married John Black 1910-1979.
Mary Anne Crean 1885-____ married John Thompson 1898-____.
I can't seem to find a way to copy text details from my tree (other than screenshot) so will have to type it:
Eileen born 1918, b Claragh, Lavagh, Ballymote, Achonry Parish. (If that makes sense)
died 26 Mar 2015, Barnabrack, Beltra, Dromard.
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Linda wow! That's fantastic! Thank you so very much! Eileens sister Ivy Goulden now 94 is still alive, I'm going to "interview" her soon so I will get the details from her about her siblings and I will post them here. Coincidentally her niece (dont know her name) Olive Thompsons daughter from New Zealand is going to visit her on Tuesday. You have been a great help thank you again. Louise
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The death has occurred of Eileen BLACK (née Thompson) Barnabrack, Beltra, Sligo
Peacefully in her 97th year. Reposing at her residence on Sunday from 12 noon until 5pm with removal at 6pm to Christ Church, Dromard. Funeral Service on Monday at 2pm followed by burial in adjoining cemetery.
Date Published: Saturday 28th March 2015
https://rip.ie/death-notice/eileen-black-beltra-sligo/252382
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Hi Louise
My parents first visited Ireland in 1982 and met another couple from NZ on the boat across to Ireland. There was great surprise all round when my parents were in Sligo and were taken "up the mountain" to visit Eileen, only to find the other couple were also visiting.
Sorry I could not tell you now who the other couple were. My mother and I again visited Eileen in 1999. We also visited Annie Goulden nee Boyd who was another cousin of my mother's. I am not sure if I knew that Ivy had married a Goulden. I was told that someone on the Livingston side had married a Goulden but not from the same family as Annie's husband Phillip Goulden. Annie was my maternal grandfather's cousin on the Clarke side (Skreen). Ivy Goulden is a year older than my mother.
Cheers
Linda