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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Vatersay on Saturday 26 September 15 15:19 BST (UK)
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Hello there
I am gathering information about a shipping disaster that happened in the Outer Hebrides on the 28th of September 1853, Surgeon Francis Goold was the ships doctor and one of the survivors.
http://www.anniejane.net/ I knew nothing about him till today till I found his wedding in the Limerick and Clare examiner 10 June 1854. "At Rathmines Surgeon Francis Goold fourth son of the late Henry M.F Goold of Goold's hill, County of Cork to Matilda Mary eldest daughter of George D Burnetti Esq of Mount pleasant square.
Also found a death notice in India in 1862.
I would like to find out where Goolds hill is? What is the nearest big town? Names of Siblings? Burnetti? is that an Irish name? and any other information related to the family and wife's family.
Thanks for reading
Allan
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Just googled it... https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Goulds+Hill+House,+Mallow,+Co.+Cork/@52.1193136,-8.661113,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4844beb712e448af:0xf7df220b92f86db9
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The Golds/Goolds were an old family associated with the city of Cork. George Goold was established at Old Court near the city in the mid 18th century. He married Mary Catherine, eldest daughter of James Galway. Their second son, Francis Goold, was created a baronet in 1801 and was succeeded by his nephew George as 2nd Baronet in 1818. In 1802 George married Lady Charlotte Browne, daughter of the Earl of Kenmare. The Goold estate was first advertised for sale in November 1851. It was comprised of over 2,100 acres in county Cork, 2,300 acres in county Tipperary and 277 acres in county Limerick and included the head rent of a number of mansion houses in the Mallow locality of county Cork. The sale rental includes details relating to the bidding and to the purchasers. Murdock Green and Robert Potter purchased portions of the Cork estate while lands in Tipperary were purchased by John Adair. . At the time of Griffith's Valuation the county Tipperary estate was in the parishes of Loughmoe East and West, barony of Eliogarty and Clonbullogue, barony of Clanwilliam. In June 1874, over 650 acres owned by Sir Henry Valentine Goold in the barony of East Carbery, county Cork, were offered for sale in the Landed Estates Court. The purchaser was Thomas Beamish. Henry M. Goold held land at Gooldshill, parish of Mallow in the 1850s. Henry Michael Goold was a nephew of the first baronet. The estate of Henry Michael Francis Goold amounting to 7,686 acres in the baronies of Eliogarty (parishes of Loughmoe East and West), Ikerrin and Clanwilliam, county Tipperary and 826 acres in the baronies of Fermoy and Duhallow, including Goold's Hill were advertised for sale in August 1852. Members of the Goold family had connections with other county Cork localities and with the city of Limerick. George Goold of Aughrim owned 183 acres and Theobald Goold of Cork city owned 138 acres in the 1870s. In November 1877 the 155 acre estate of George Goold at Aughrim, barony of Orrery and Kilmore, was advertised for sale. It was held on a renewal lease from St John Galway to George Goold dated 3 July 1847.
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Insolvent 1855
Tara
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Goold Wills
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/results.jsp?deceasedSurname=goold&deceasedForename=&beneficiarySurname=&beneficiaryForename=&dateDay=&dateMonth=&dateYear=&placeDeath=&probateOrAdministration=&search=Search
You can also try under the spelling GOULD
Tara
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The 1853 Wreck !
Tara
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1858 ~ a daughter !
Tara
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The Marriage !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/763eee0010392
Tara
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Daughter Margaret.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9b783d0013956
Tara
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Daughter Maria.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5732f70017452
Tara
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A sister possibly ???
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b24c530011182
Tara
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OOOHHHH
The Gore Booths
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/6fbf030569284
Tara
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Possibly Matilda Brunetti's parents ???
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5e03c20418214
Tara
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Other Brunettis
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2fm=&name2l=&namefm=&namel=brunetti&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100&diocese=&parish=¢ury=&decade=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&event=
Tara
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Yes, those are her parents as the marriage also refers to Malone.
Tara
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George Brunetti and Margaret Malone
Son Richard
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4e15000176284
Tara
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Daughter Francisca
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7637530066335
Tara
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A Son Joseph
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a188640179999
Tara
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The 1864 death of Margaret Malone Brunetti
Tara
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I wonder did GD remarry as here is an 1875 death for another wife ???
Tara
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Francisca Brunetti Marriage !
Tara
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1858 there is a court case whereby Margaret's brother Anthony & John Malone appear to be fighting over their father's will.
Tara
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You'll be doing some of the major families all over Ireland if you keep going Tara!!
WYNNE, Owen, Esq., of Hazlewood, co. Sligo ; and of Lurganboy, co. Leitrim.
Only surviving son of the Right Hon. John Arthur Wynne, M.P., of Hazlewood (formerly Under Sec. for
Ireland), who died 1865, by Lady Anne, who died 1849, 2nd dau. of James, 1st Marquis of Ormonde ; born 1843, married. 1870 Stella Fanny Gore-Booth, who died in 1887, dau. of Sir Robert Gore-Booth, 4th Bart., and has issue, * 4 daus.
Mr. Wynne, who was formerly Lieut. 61st Foot, is a J.P. and D.L. for co. Sligo (High Sheriff 1875), and
a J.P. for co. Leitrim (High Sheriff 1879) ; late Capt. Sligo Militia. — Hazlewood, Sligo; Junior Carlton,
and Army and Navy Clubs, s.w. ; Sackville Street Club, Dublin.
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HA I know Hallmark ;D
It makes a change from the poor aul labourers that I normally visit on my own tree !
Tara
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George Brunetti on GV
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/dublin/stpeters.htm
Tara
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Brunetti relations ???
http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/BallsbridgeThom1862/
Tara
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Thanks for that both of you
Hard to believe that yesterday I knew nothing about him and now I feel like a brother.
So I take it the family had fallen on hard times, I am left to wonder if Francis had a drink problem, cause of death was an abscess of liver.
Ships doctors were not the most highly valued of medical staff during that period.
Speaking of Auld labourers from Cork a lot of the survivors and casualties of the Annie Jane were poor folk from Ireland I am struggling to find any of their roots in comparison the gentry even impoverished are easy. Looks like a lot were from Cork.
Could you cast your eyes over those two lists and see if any inspiration comes to you.
http://www.anniejane.net/passengers/steerage-passengers-drowned/
http://www.anniejane.net/passengers/steerage-passengers-surviving/
I will update the web site tonight with Mr Goold's origin. Only another three hundred and ten to go :'(
Thanks again Allan
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No Probs Allan
'Tis always harder to find a mention in the papers of those whom lacked a few bob but I shall look all the same.
Tara
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Allan
Is there a better list anywhere that would give ages, place of origin etc, anything else that would help ?
Tara
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I'm nit picking here I know but the list would read better in alphabetical order, especially if someone was looking to see if a family member was on board.
Sorry, 'tis just my opinion ::)
Ignore me if you want ;D
Tara
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The mother of The Kelly's was Amy Anderson !
Tara
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UGH
Reading about the incident ~
There had been a collection done for the survivors BUT the money never got to them.
They had dispersed before the money arrived :'(
Tara
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Prerogative Court Wills, 1707 Brunetti, Francis, city of Florence, at present in London (Copy)
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Cabin Passengers ~ Drowned ~ Were carried to the burial ground of the place.
Steerage Passengers ~ Drowned ~ Were all buried in one grave in the sand.
UGH ~ I get grumpy reading things like this :(
Tara
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Hello Tara
Unfortunately there was no list at all. I have cobbled it together out of newspaper articles and obituary's. That is all the information available. its a mission impossible I have done quite well with the Canadians the French/Swiss, English and Scot's but I never quite understood the enormity of the Irish emigration till now and how many people disappeared from Ireland during that period. I did not know about the missing census results when I started but that just compounds the problems.
So no ages or occupations I am afraid. The best hope is an exact match with a family that disappeared from Ireland during that period.
Contemporary accounts have about 430 passengers plus crew aboard the Annie Jane.
I will look at making it Alphabetical to be honest I never noticed that.
Amy Kelly nee Anderson was already in either in Canada or America I have not looked for her yet or if her family made it out afterwards but it is on my to do list.
Thanks for your looking.
Regards Allan
ps that's wrong they were all buried in a common grave, two coffins were made one for the first mate and one for the French Pastor.
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Hello Hallmark
Just noticed your post, so they were of Italian origin, that is interesting.
Thanks for that
Allan
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Millions left Ireland in the mid to late 1840's, of course before and after so you may have your hands full.
It's a great piece of work that you are doing.
Fair Play !
Tara
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You may have this already but I shall post just in case !
Tara
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. . . second part of the list . . .
Tara
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HA You've good backing there !
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/09/any-connections-to-1853-annie-jane.html
Tara
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My only suggestions are ~
FindMyPast.ie has an old newspaper section ~ €10 a month subscription
irishnewspaperarchives has a huge old newspaper section ~ €10 / 24 hr sub ~ €30 one month sub
The 24 hour sub goes in too quickly as each page can be slow to upload so the one month sub is your best bet.
Tara
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Hi Allan
You know on your 'Passengers & Crew' Page
Cabin Passenger Survivors
Cabin Passengers Drowned
Crew Survivors
Steerage Passenger Survivors
Steerage Passengers Drowned
Might it be an idea to add a 6th page ~ Full List
It's just that for the likes of me say who wants to go in and see is there any names that I could look into researching, well at the mo I'm going in and out of each page and losing track.
If the 6th page was then like a table,
Every person assigned a number:
Then ~
Name
Age (Granted most will be unknown but could be filled in if / when info found)
Occupation (Granted most will be unknown but could be filled in if / when info found)
Place of Birth (Granted most will be unknown but could be filled in if / when info found)
Status 1. (Crew or Passenger)
Status 2. (Survived / Drowned / Exited Early)
Status 3. (Here could be the info that you have found to date on this person)
Sorry, not for a minute wanting to be telling you how to do your job ~
It's all just a suggestion that make make it easier for the likes of me and others here who might like to poke around and see if there are any lines that we could help with.
All The Best
Tara
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Hi Tara
Thanks for taking an interest in the site, your suggestions are all good and are things I have thought of doing but I did try and reject them.
I did give everybody numbers first starting as you would with the Captain, Crew, Cabin passengers, steerage passengers and I did not like it very much it seemed very impersonal, I have got quite fond of some of the characters and calling somebody number 157 I just did not like. No offense meant but you do not seem like the kind of person who would like the Captain to be number 1 and the cabin passengers at a higher number than the steerage. To be honest I think if I had put your great, great, great, great, great, great Auntie twice removed at number 250 you would be getting tore into me, as we say in Scotland.
By putting the people on separate pages I have avoided any hierarchy and protected myself from the wrath of Irish people who only have poor Aul labourers in their family tree.
I have remembered why I did not do all the lists alphabetically I think the problem was different family groups with the same surname, it got complicated. In some of the newspaper articles the interviews along the way back to Liverpool identical surnames were separated into family groups I wanted to keep that where possible. I did not have that luxury with the steerage passengers as they were all lumped together.
To be honest I have never had a website, never dreamed I would have and I am not really computer literate so any changes I do are a struggle and a steep learning curve. I have a wife a full time job, two daughters, a dog, a croft, a small sadly neglected yacht, , I am hoping to and have begun to write a book about the Annie Jane. Oh and did I mention a web site!!! And I am not even going to mention the rabbit problem.
I ask myself why start this now? after all I have put it off for ten years, would be better to wait till I retire, Well at the moment the monument and possibly the graves are threatened by coastal erosion so now seems the right time to raise awareness of the tragedy, which to be honest has been very much forgotten about. If it wasn't by the goodness of a wealthy philanthropist in 1880 who happened to hear the story there would not even be a monument. So that's sort of sad. I have yet to hear from anybody in Ireland that they had heard of this tragedy before or know of this spot where the bones of so many their countrymen and women lie buried. That's sort of sad to.
Thanks again for your help and your interest. And I hope you will dip into the list and see if you can find anybody and encourage other amateur genealogists from other areas to do the same. I think with your experience of Irish searching you will have more luck than me.
Regards Allan
The Irish Newspaper archives, is it searchable? and do they have papers that are not already in the British newspaper archives? I have already been through all the Irish newspapers on that site. I am afraid that poor people did not have the money spare for obituary's
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there was a monument put at vatersay out hebrides the bid issue did at piece on this in feb 13 2015
http://www.bigissue.com
type in search box - Annie Jane