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General => Armed Forces => World War Two => Topic started by: elf on Tuesday 29 September 15 18:34 BST (UK)
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I would like to send for my late Uncles WW2 Service records I have his full Name date of Birth date of Death , Number and he was in the Lancashire Fusiliers could you please tell me what else I would need He never married and has no children Thank you
Sue
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Is he a Brother of either your mother or your father?
My reason for asking that is to establish that he is a direct "blood" relative and NOT an "in-law"
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Is he a Brother of either your mother or your father?
My reason for asking that is to establish that he is a direct "blood" relative and NOT an "in-law"
If he has been dead for more than 25 years it will not matter.
All the information can be found here
www.gov.uk/guidance/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records
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You will need his death certificate; unless he died in service.
(presumably the Forces think that's proof enough?)
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He died in 1984 and was my late mothers brother
Sue
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Sue
All you need to apply for a soldiers service records is:
Name
Date of Birth and or Service Number
Proof of Death
Next of Kin approval unless they died more than 25 years ago
Cheque for £30
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Sue
All you need to apply for a soldiers service records is:
Name
Date of Birth and or Service Number
Proof of Death
Next of Kin approval unless they died more than 25 years ago
Cheque for £30
Sorry to hijack this thread
Who would you define as next of kin to a man who had no children and his siblings are also dead :-\
I am looking at this family
Boy bn 1915 has two children eldest bn 1950
Girl bn 1917 has one child bn 1945
Boy bn 1920 who has no children and is the one I want records for
Does the nephew born 1945 take priority over the one born 1950 :-\
Rosie
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The form to be downladed from the MOD site is entitled:
Application Form Part 1 for Next of Kin or Enquirers with the Consent of Next of Kin
and states:
This form can be used by any applicant to provide evidence that the consent of the immediate next of kin has been given for them to be provided with the information from the Record of Service that would normally be withheld from other than the immediate next of kin for the first 25 years following the death of the deceased subject.
There are boxes in which to mark a cross:
Spouse/Civil Partner
Son/Daughter
Grandchild
Father/Mother
Brother/Sister
Nephew/Niece
Grandparent
Other (Please specify)
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and states:
This form can be used by any applicant to provide evidence that the consent of the immediate next of kin has been given .
I was just querying really as to whether nieces/nephews take any sort of priority as nok, I know they are equal when wills are administered. It is just that the eldest one would not allow me to apply if I asked them. ::)
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Rosie,
The MOD forms don't define what is meant by "immediate" NOK?!
I would assume that, in the absence of what we would term as immediate family, all nephews and nieces are of equal standing?
Also, the NoK form is only required if he died within the last 25 years.
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Thanks KG ;D
I'll give it a try then. Yes he did die in the last 25 years :)
Rosie
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Regarding immediate next of kin, their definition seems to be: "the spouse of a crew member[/soldier], or their children (or parent and sibling where there is no spouse or children)."
Out of interest, anybody have an idea how long it takes to hear back from them? By coincidence I popped two orders in the post today.
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My experience is with RN records.
1 took just about a week! ;D
The other, more complicated, one took about 2 months. (Merchant Seaman who died in RN Reserve service)
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Great stuff, thanks KGarrad. Was worried i might be waiting 12 months or something like that.
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I have signed as NOK for my Grandfathers brother as I'm not aware of anyone else related that is alive, not that I've checked in any significant degree. At the end of the day it is a data protection box ticking arse covering exercise. If another relative complains they can say 'well they signed as the next of kin'. They can not check verify every application they receive, if they did the waiting time to receive the records would be around 3 years.
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Out of interest, anybody have an idea how long it takes to hear back from them? By coincidence I popped two orders in the post today.
My experience was getting both my parents records but Mum was still alive then and she signed the forms so it was only a few weeks.
As for NOK, I shall presume all nieces/nephews of my uncle are equal. Thank you all for your comments.
Rosie
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My experience was getting both my parents records but Mum was still alive then and she signed the forms so it was only a few weeks.
Thanks for your feedback. I've only sent in "general enquirerers" (rather than NOK) forms for two grand-uncles of mine, and I didn't have any regiment/service numbers. No doubt that'll all slow it up somewhat, but hopefully not too much!
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When I sent for my father's records my mother was still alive, and as the soldier's spouse she could request the service records for free. They took only a few weeks to arrive iirc.
The information sheet (part two of the application form) is where the soldier's details go. The more you can fill in on this sheet the better.
RRTB
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I'm getting a bit confused here ( not hard ) I definitely don't need my Aunts consent as next of kin for me to send for her brother my Uncles Service Records as he died in 1984
Sue
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Agreed, but if she applies for them then the MOD will issue the service record (if they have it) free of charge. If *you* apply for it, you are neither the soldier himself nor his spouse and therefore you will have to pay the £30 charge.
That of course might not matter to you; it wouldn't have for me either, but my mother was just as interested as I was so she applied on behalf of both of us.
RRTB
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Agreed, but if she applies for them then the MOD will issue the service record (if they have it) free of charge. If *you* apply for it, you are neither the soldier himself nor his spouse and therefore you will have to pay the £30 charge.
That of course might not matter to you; it wouldn't have for me either, but my mother was just as interested as I was so she applied on behalf of both of us.
RRTB
Elf has already said the uncle never married, so there is no spouse to apply for his records, her aunt would have to pay.
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Thank you both
Sue
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Elf has already said the uncle never married, so there is no spouse to apply for his records, her aunt would have to pay.
Oops, sorry, hadn't spotted that. My apologies.