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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: gratuation on Saturday 03 October 15 14:28 BST (UK)
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Looking for info for helen Marshall born Armagh abt 1817 parents Betsey Hamilton and James marhsall I don't know their dob Would like to know where her parents got married and if either Betsey or James's parents are mentioned .
Thanks for taking the time to read this
G
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RC registers are online registers.nli.ie
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That's really early and not alot of records exist from that timeframe, but where did Helen get married I'll guess that they weren't Roman Catholic.
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I agree with Eileen and I also suspect that in Irish records (if there are any) that she will be called Ellen not Helen.
To find such early records (if they do survive) you'll need to know both their religion and where they lived (parish if not actual townland, not just the county). If you do locate a marriage for the parents it is likely to just give the date along with names of bride and groom.
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Thank you all for the interest , Helen was married in 1838 in old macar think that's the correct spelling it's in Scotland . I found Helens birthday place details on the census her husband was Scottish . Am quite excited to have a Irish ancestor and would love to know more about her . Her mother was betsey Hamilton and her father was James Marshall I'm guessing they were from Ireland but I don't really know that . The church Helen got married in was c of e , but this could be due to her husbands religion again I
Don't know. I did have a look at the parish records thank you for telling me about them very interesting I couldn't see a entry for them but some of the writing is hard to make out hats off to transcribers !! I'm guessing that most people from amagh would have been Catholic is that the case ?
Thanks again
G
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Do you mean Old Machar in Aberdeenshire?
Have you checked to see if Helen's parents also went to Scotland?
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Sorry yes it's old machar , don't think I did a check on her parents being in Scotland assumed they were in Ireland good thinking 😊
G
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Most from Armagh would not have been RC. Heavily settled during the Ulster Plantation by Scots and English, so Church of Ireland and Presbyterian.
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Hi, looked at parish registers and this is the only birth I found.
Birth:
Eleanor Marshall
born 19 May 1811
parish: Tyrone Ditches
county: Armagh
rel: Presbyterian
father: James Marshall
mother: -------(not listed)
I could locate no marriage for James & Betsey. You would need more info to identify if indeed this is your Ellen/Helen. Hope this may help, Kim
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Can anyone point me in the right direction or look up a birth registration please . Helen Marshall was born in Armaugh in 1817 to James and betsey Marshall . She moved to Scotland at some point I cannot find helen in Ireland but on all the census she puts armaugh down as her place of birth .
Thanks Scoty
2015 & 2017 threads merged.
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Can anyone point me in the right direction or look up a birth registration please . Helen Marshall was born in Armaugh in 1817 to James and betsey Marshall . She moved to Scotland at some point I cannot find helen in Ireland but on all the census she puts armaugh down as her place of birth .
Thanks Scoty
In Ireland her name is more likely to be Ellen rather than Helen but civil registration of births didn't start until 1864. To find church records you need to know the family's religion and where they lived (parish if not exact townland). Unfortunately, not all church records from early 1800s survive. Does her birthplace in census records say 'Armaugh' or Armagh?
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Hi , it says armaugh .
I've no idea what reglion she was and I don't know the parish the census which states her birth place as armaugh was on the 1861 Scottish census . She must have moved to Scotland around 1838 she got married in old machar and settled in Dundee after that . Sadly it Looks like I won't be able to find anything more about her then . Thanks for the info though I'm on the Scotland's people site but I think the censuses started at 1841 there I'll double check I couldn't see her there last time I looked . S
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Does the 1861 census actually say 'Armaugh' rather than Armagh? are you reading the original or a transcript?
Have you looked to see if there are any other Marshall in the area in case relatives also came to Scotland?
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Hi , I looked again and I was wrong it's Armagh
Helen married a Francis whitecross in old Macmar in 1838 they moved to Dundee and were on the 1841 in hunter street . I can't find helen prior to that her parents were James and betsey I'm not sure how I found that out to be honest I've no record
Thanks
S
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Hello Scoty
I have just posted the same request I'm also looking for information on Helen Marshall she's a mystery! Like you I found that she married Francis in old mackar but on all the census returns we have both amaugh . I've looked every where for some I formation but there's nothing. Some one said try the church records maybe a trip to Ireland might help! Have you found out anymore since the last post
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I can't even find her father James and like you I can't see how I know her father was James! I've also tried to ring information on Betsey Hamilton her mother , he e you got anything on her . I would love to know more about the family I was very excited having found an Irish ancestor but then it stops with Helen!
Best wishes
G
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Hello,
I can only see transcripts of Scottish censuses but I notice these records which may/not be of any help.
1841 Old Machar
Elizabeth Marshall 60 yrs.
Mary Marshall 30 yrs
Margt Marshall 35 yrs
All born Ireland
Could Elizabeth be your Betsey?
1851 Old Machar
Mary Marshall 38 yrs b ‘Neury, Ardugh’ Ireland
Joseph Sharp 6 yrs son b Old Machar
I would think birthplace could be Newry, Armagh perhaps.
Heywood
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New thread on Angus Scotland board -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799432.0
ev
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thank you Haywood for the new information and its definitely worth following up. I would love to know more about the marshalls and my irish ancestors .
kind regards and thanks
G
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Hello,
I can only see transcripts of Scottish censuses but I notice these records which may/not be of any help.
1841 Old Machar
Elizabeth Marshall 60 yrs.
Mary Marshall 30 yrs
Margt Marshall 35 yrs
All born Ireland
Could Elizabeth be your Betsey?
1851 Old Machar
Mary Marshall 38 yrs b ‘Neury, Ardugh’ Ireland
Joseph Sharp 6 yrs son b Old Machar
I would think birthplace could be Newry, Armagh perhaps.
Heywood
Scotlandspeople has this death in the OPR -
Elizabeth Marshall , no age , Old Machar Aberdeen.
Date - 13th MAY 1845
Parents/other details - Hamilton / Geo. Marshall
Would it be worth trying to trace a death for the Mary Marshall(age 38) on the 1851 Census :-\
ev
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Thanks ev, that looks very interesting.
I did try to look for Joseph Sharp too but don’t have access to SP.
There seems to be more than one thread about this family so it is confusing at times to see what has been contributed and what is relevant.
I think I did link this to a different thread.
graduation has acknowledged my post though so hope they see your additional news. :)