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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Jimini on Monday 05 October 15 20:43 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am trying to find info on a Robina Turnbull of Ancrum who is listed in the volume Jedburgh Parish (1852-1874). If anyone has access to the volume I would be grateful for some help.
Thanks, a Canadian Turnbull, Jim
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was Robina married to a Turnbull or was she unmarried
the Robina is a somewhat unlucky name for the Turnbull and in my Turnbull family its rarely used
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Thank you for responding. Robina Robison married a Richard Turnbull in Ancrum abt 1835?
I am researching our Turnbull ancestors who lived mostly in Ancrum; I have been able to go back to family members who are listed on a monument in Ancrum Cemetery, a William Turnbull (Mason)and wife Isabella Davidson, and one son Richard. Both Family Search and Scotland's People have come up blank as far as OPR records, aside from a marriage in Ancrum for Richard in 1800.
Thanks again for your reply,
Cheers, Jim
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double checked family search and it state Richard & Robina married 23 Jan 1835 at Jedburgh - I'll check my CD's for the Jed poor law, because if they were from Jedburgh, the rule was they had to apply to they birth parish, not necessarily the parish they lived in - I think they moved out of the area or they like many of the Turnbull's were non-conformist and don't always appear in the OPR - probably will need to check the Church Records.
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Thank you, I am now trying to find out if the old Kirk Session Records are available, I am in Canada so a quick trip to Edinburgh is is not an option, perhaps our local LDS has access.
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Check the poor law record and the robina turnbull mentioned is the illegitimate daug of Ann turnbull age 2months borm 1858 at poorhouse
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Interesting, Annie, the daughter of Richard and Robina (marr.1835) married a William Simpson in 1861, and the child Robina is with them in Edinburgh census 1861. Fortunately they were able to survive the poverty and have a future. In the 1861 marriage record both of Annie's parents are deceased, and Robina's maiden name appears to be Robson. The SRI record for Robina's illegitimate birth in 1858 gives Causewayend,Ancrum in a Turnbull's house as the place of birth. Causewayend is where most of our Turnbulls lived.
Thank you so much for the info, Jim
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Had a closer look at the poor law record and there was a few comments
It states that Ann applied for Robina and states she Board in Poorhouse, but declined to go into Poorhouse with Robina - it appears Robina was born in Ancrum
Interestingly it also stated that Ann's parents were dead by 1858 and Robina's reputed father was a George Scott a Millwright who had absconded.
How was Ann related to the Turnbull Families at Causewayend Ancrum - all Masons - where they cousins or uncles
found an Ann Turnbull age 14 (servant) in the 1851 census Jedburgh living with the Andrew Wight's Family (Flesher (ie a buther)- which have connections with Ancrum)
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Yes, how are they related to Causewayend Turnbulls, that's how I started on this. I went looking for more info on our Richard, and stumbled on a google book called "The Monthly Record of Births,Deaths and Marriages 1860". William Simpson is listed on page 73 as marrying Annie Turnbull Dec.26th, youngest daughter of late Richard Turnbull, Ancrum. The "youngest daughter" is a mystery.
The birth record for Robina shows the event happened at Archie?? Turnbull's house, who in 1851 census was a mason, and became a grocer after that (1861). I can only assume for now that Annie's father Richard was related to Archie somehow, will keep digging.
I will have to purchase the Poor Law cd at some point in time, I noticed a William from Ancrum listed in the index also. More head scratching to do.
Thanks for all of your help! Jim
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i'm curious because although I'm a Turnbull from roxburghshire - i have a link on my otherside through marriage to Turnbull's from Ancrum how were Masons
Very curious does the name Lydia appear in your research
I'll keep digging and I'll see what comes up
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Yes I did research Lydia Turnbull Aiken living in Nisbet, Crailing with her father John (Mason, born in Ancrum) in 1851, John not in 1861 census. I had hoped to find a MI somewhere to hopefully get more info, he likely died in Nisbet, possibly pre 1855. I think he may have been a brother or son of our William who married Isabel Davidson.
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I forgot to ask, who is your link to all the Turnbull masons from Ancrum?
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your nearly right
Lydia turnbull (Born 1816 ancrum) married mark Aitken (born 1802 crailing) in 1836 - mark is my gggrandfathers brother - Lydia's father was john turnbull (born circa 1781 ancrum) he was a mason - the census shows john living with Lydia and mark 1841 & 1851
also might of found Richard's MI - but his wife was an Isabella turnbull - the parent were William turnbull and Isabella Davidson
will do some more digging and let you know what I find
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Yes, I found John's marriage info, and Lydia's death reg, they all match. Will check opr for John to see if his age lines up with census data.
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I forgot to mention - don't rely too much on the spelling of names and census ages
the spelling depends on the person reading or hearing the names with our different dialect around vowels can sound different ie. 'e' could be heard as 'i' , etc same with 'i' & 'y' - for example lydia turnbull is spelt Lidia in the 1841 census, but Lydia in the 1851 & the with Robson & Robison
a lot of the records were taken orally.
as for the ages in the census' depended on who the census taker speaks to - the ages in the 1841 are somewhat estimated give or take 5 years in some cases.
As far as I'm aware John's wife was Margaret Young
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I located John's death, 1855 in Peebles; but it raises more questions, the childrens names match, and the wife's name, and his age, but for parents it has Richard Turnbull and Margt Young. Anyhow if you have access to the SRI records have a look, it reveals a sister of John too!. I have photos of Nisbet Boathouse from a contact in Nisbet area, if you wish me to email you with attachments please let me know.
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Sorry I misread the brother in law bit, John was visiting a daughter Bella who had married a James Tinline
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The more I look I think the Richard you are trying to trace was married twice first to Isabella Turnbull and then to Robina - found out that William & Archibald were brothers with mother isabella - I'll keep you posted
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Funny you should say that...I was thinking the same thing about our Richard, regarding your John, I could find no instance of a Richard marrying a Margaret Young..
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No I said Margaret young was john turnbull's wife not Richards
I also think John and Richard may be brothers or a very close cousins
This weekend I might pop into ancrum cemetery and check the stone of Richard,s wife Isabella the mi write up i found doesn't read right it only about 10 mins down the road
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yes confusing, the sri death for john in 1855 has margaret young his wife, and margaret young as his mother,richard turnbull as his father
I have the complete mi for our william, isabella davidson, richard and isabella turnbull in ancrum cemetery plus photos
enjoy your visit to ancrum!
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Ancrum Gravestone Inscription (July 2005)
Richard Turnbull mason son of William Turnbull mason and Isabella Davidson his wife died at Causewayend Ancrum 5 June 1830. Isabella Turnbull wife of said Richard Turnbull daughter of the late Walter Turnbull weaver and portione of Lilliesleaf and Janet Walker his wife died at Causewayend Ancrum aged ...years George Turnbull their son ..... James Turnbull their son....20Walter Richard .... Turnbull also Walter Turnbull mason portioner 3rd son of the said Richard and Isabella Turnbull born 23 Nov 1803 died at Causewayend 31 January 1873 and Margaret Mitchie his wife and daughter of the late William Mitchie weaver Jedburgh and Jane Henderson his wife died 11th June 1870 aged 63. George Turnbull mason, thier son who died at Rookwood New Sydney Australia aged 41 20th Nov 1887.
Walter Turnbull mason who died at Causewayend 6 Feb 1904 aged 65 years and Elizabeth Ford his wife who died .... 1898. Elizabeth their daughter died 10 March 1892 in her 24th year
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If you search online for Southernknowe Studio,Causewayend,Ancrum, you will locate the family home which Richard's and Isabella's son Walter built, it housed several of our families until 1904 I believe, my great grandfather grew up there.
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I know causewayend it just long from where my gr aunt used to live
This tree is getting interesting
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It must be very late your way, so I will bid you Good Night. Yes a tree with many twists and turns, ten years ago we had no idea my mum had such a past. I wish I could tour Ancrum someday.
Cheers,Jim
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Popped down to the cemetery this afternoon, but time & weather has taken its toll on the sandstone - the stone is very worn
If anything else turns up with you richard I'll keep you posted
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Thanks! I will keep trying to find something on Lydia's father, his death info has me baffled.
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problem solved re Lydia's fathers death
I went on scotlandspeople and noticed two similar deaths but with different mother surnames - accessed both and bingo they were for the same man
the record you have is the initial registered death - which his death was not certified
the certified death certificate has some corrections (not uncommon when the person registering is not a direct relative) the certified copy has the death as the night of the 11th not the 12th (12th probably when the family found him - also the certified copy has his parents as William Turnbull and Helen Rutherford - Margaret Young was his wife - the death was certified over a week later
it is rare to have to details about his children on the death certificate - it would be great if it was still the same after 1855 - (first time I've seen it )
I have seen his parents before during my turnbull side research so I'll have to dig it out again.
Keep searching
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Wow, I looked to see if there was an RCE for the reg, glad you dug deeper, apparently another William mason lived in Ancrum and had John. Yes I was thrilled to see the details of children listed, maybe just in Peebles.
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I just viewed that info, wonder where "Nisbet Burial Place" was/is.
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I think nisbet burial place means he was buried at Nisbet Graveyard
the bordering parish to Ancrum is Nisbet & Crailing - Lydia & Mark are buried there - quite a few of my Aitken's, etc are buried in Nisbet & Crailing.
Nisbet Graveyard is in the centre of the village
I checked the MI but no stone for John Turnbull visible, if any.
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Found opr marriage 1766 for William Turnbull mason and Nelly Rutherford
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Found it last night too
Nelly is a common name around here for Helen
Had a look for possible siblings - seems as usual the minster wasn't interested in the mother's name only the father's - but did find several possibility(19), I'll just have to eliminate some as I go through them - turnbull's beard well back then