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A friend has asked if we could find what became of following males among her relatives.and if any details from earlier would be available .
The surname could be Blumberg in some cases, though in the census of 1881 it is Bloomberg.
Lazarus 42 Tailor Russia
Rachel (Pizer) 43 Germany
Samuel 18 Boot Riviter London
Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham
Fanny 13 B'ham Born 36 Inge Street (the "back-to-backs" run by National Trust)
Abraham 11 B'ham
Esther 9 B'ham Born 62 Lichfield Street
Ezekiel 7 B'ham
Miriam 4 B'ham Born 41 Lancaster Street
"The last name is my paternal Grandmother and I write to the Granddaughter of Fanny."
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A friend has asked if we could find what became of following males among her relatives.and if any details from earlier would be available .
The surname could be Blumberg in some cases, though in the census of 1881 it is Bloomberg.
Lazarus 42 Tailor Russia
Rachel (Pizer) 43 Germany
Samuel 18 Boot Riviter London
Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham
Fanny 13 B'ham Born 36 Inge Street (the "back-to-backs" run by National Trust)
Abraham 11 B'ham
Esther 9 B'ham Born 62 Lichfield Street
Ezekiel 7 B'ham
Miriam 4 B'ham Born 41 Lancaster Street
"The last name is my paternal Grandmother and I write to the Granddaughter of Fanny."
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1891 for info
Lazarus Bloomberg 52 born Riga occupation looks like traveller in kippers?
Rachael 54 born Poland
Abraham 22
Ester 20
Ezekiel 18
Miriam 15
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1871 census at Hill St, Birmingham
Lazarus Bloomberg 33 b Germany
Rachel 32 also b Germany
Rebecca 11 & Samuel 8 both born Middlesex
Nathan 7, Fanny 4 & Abraham 2 all b Warwickshire
Ref: RG10/3112/19/3
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1861 living Whitechapel
Lazarus Blomberg 24 born Germany cap manufacturer
Rachel 24 born Germany
Rebecca 1 born Whitechapel
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Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham
Possible 1901 Hackney
Francis N (Nathaniel) Bloomberg 36 born Birmingham shoe manufacturer
Fannie 33
Henry P 4 son
Sarah Posner 70 mother in law widow
Gertrude Seccombe 21 servant
Marriage 1895 Fanny Posner
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wow well done millipede .
Maureen has joined rootschat + seen these messages but hasn't worked out how to use the site
i don't know her monika
..it took me a while to access correct pages . I'll talk her thru on phone maybe tomorow B
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if we could find what became of following males among her relatives
Have you checked later censuses for them or checked freebmd for marriages/deaths?
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1891 RG12/235/79/13
17 Marisell? Street, St Botolph Aldgate
Lazarus Bloomberg 52 Traveller in Slippers, Riga, Russia
Rachael Bloomberg 54 Conent, Poland
Abraham Bloomberg 22 Tailor, Hill St. Birmingham
Ester Bloomberg 20 Tailor, Litchfield St Birmingham
Ezekiel Bloomberg 18 Boot trade assistant, Lancaster St Birmingham
Miriam Bloomberg 15 no occ, Lancaster St Birmingham
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Lazarus Bloomberg
Age at death 75, estimated birth year about 1840
Registered 1915, Dec 1/4
registration district Edmonton Middlesex
Vol 3a page 563
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1901 RG13/232/54/24
5 church cres Hackney
Emanuel Matthews 48 Painter, Russia naturalised
Rebecca Matthews 39 wife Birmingham warwickshire
Samuel Matthews 19 son drapers errand boy Birmingham Warwickshire
Percy Matthews 15 cabinet maker Birmingham
Abram Matthews 10 Burton on Trent Staffordshire
Gertrude Matthews 8 Burton on Trent
Rachael Blomberg 64 Mother-in-law Poland
Lazams Blomberg 61 father-in-law Germany
William Griggs 28 Boarder
Grace Griggs 24 Boarder
Grace Griggs 3 Boarder
William Griggs 1 Boarder
The only marriage I can find around the right time for a Rebecca Bl*mb*rg is in Dec 1/4 1880 Birmingham registration district with the groom Matthew Gablenofski. So did he change his surname to his from name?
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Does your friend not have Lazarus' and Rachel's marriage certificate?
Lazarus Blumberg m. Rachel Pizar
Q3 London City vol 1c p288
The 1891 census reported that Lazarus came from Riga (where some of your Fellmans ended up). Riga was the captial of Courland/Kurland. Although formerly a province of the Russian Empire, Courland was ruled by Baltic German nobility until the 1880s. There was a very strong German cultural and linguistic influence. It is no surprise that Lazarus identified himself as German.
The surname Pizar/Pizer is derived from Peizer (ei is a long vowel sound, like ie in pie), the German name for what is now Pyzdry, SE of Poznan. Peizer was on the Russian side of the border between the Prussian province of Posen and Russian-ruled Congress Poland until 1918.
Justin
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Nathan called himself Francis Nathaniel Bloomberg and married Fanny Posner in Q1 1895 London City. They had a son named Henry Percy Bloomberg, b. 1896 in Stoke Newington.
Abraham (later known as Alfred) married Catherine 'Kate' Zwart in Q2 1892 London City. They had at least two children:
Harry Percy Bloomberg, b. 1892 Burton-on-Trent
Violet Stella or Stella Violet Bloomberg, b. 1905 Hackney
Samuel and Ezekiel are very elusive.
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Hi everyone who has replied to the Bloomberg question. My name is mohair and I thank all of you who have replied. You have done wonders. Why no-one every spoke of all these relations, I have no idea. Can anyone find descendants coming up to present time?
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There is now a wealth of info on this family on GR site here is the link so info is not repeated
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1355587?jump=1355587
Mohair we could ask admin to transfer this page to US boards as I think you will find more interest in descendents there
Also i wonder if we could transfer the thread to your name now that you are a member .
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tHANK YOU bRIGID. i WILL TRY THAT LINK. I don't know what you mean by transferring threads, sorry; Maureen
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Brigid, I tried that site and got ChickleBunny's thread with a message from 2006. urely that is not what you meant? Maureen
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No mohair ...I didn#'t mean that when i click it goes to the Bloomberg thread . will phone tues + try + sort it together
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Eureka ... maybe.
Charles would be a likely anglicisation of the name Ezekiel.
On 6th June 1894, a 21-year-old boot maker by the name of Charles Bloomberg left Liverpool on the Indiana bound for Philadelphia.
The 1900 US census recorded the 30-year-old shoe salesman Charles Bloomberg boarding in Manhattan. He was an English national of German parents.
The ages don't quite match for Ezekiel born on 19.01.1874, but the boot/shoe connection could be more than pure coincidence.
Justin
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Hi Justin, I think you may have hit the jackpot. After all, it does depend on what time of the year he boarded the boat because I have him born in 1874, but that was worked out from the 1881 census where he was listed as being 7 years old. His elder brother, Samuel, was a boot riveter so it does seem to link up. Are you able to trace him after that? I shall ask aaround too. Many thanks for the info. Maureen (aka Mohair)
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I am fairly certain that the eldest son, Solomon aka Samuel, married Elizabeth/Lizzie Goodfriend in Manhattan on 28 Aug 1887.
The parents of the groom were Lazarus B. and Rachel (born Posner).
The couple had the following children:
Blanche H. Bloomberg, b. 26 Jun 1888 Manhattan
Mariam Bloomberg, d. 5 Mar 1890 Manhattan (aged 0)
Moses Abraham Bloomberg, b. 20 Jul 1891 Manhattan
Jerome Bloomberg, b. 1892, d. 11 Jan 1892 Manhattan
Elieser Salomon / Salomon E. Bloomberg, b. 6 Jun 1893 Manhattan
Herbert S. Bloomberg, b. 21 Jan 1899 Manhattan
Familiar names?
This Samuel was born in England to parents that were sometimes English, sometimes something else, arrived in the US in 1886/7 and was in the shoe business.
He died on 7 Jul 1939. The death record reports his date of birth as 13 Apr 1863.
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Well,yes you have struck gold again. Can you trace any of his grandchildren? By the way, Samuel was a boot rivetter in London, so that makes another confirmation. Once again, thank you Mohair.
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Hi Maureen,
Much of the info I'm finding is readily available on familysearch.org
Blanche married Max Schwarz on 21.06.1911 in Brooklyn, New York. They appear to have had just the one daughter, Jean, born in New York city on 05.01.1918.
Salomon Elieser aka Solomon/Saul/Sol Eli married Sarah Leifert (b. 1890 Moscow, d/o Hermann Leifert and Bertha born Kirschbaum) on 18.11.1917. The couple was recorded in the 1930 and 1940 censuses with two children: Leonard, b. 1920, and Betty, b. 1927.
The youngest brother, Herbert Spencer Bloomberg, died in Mar 1974 in Maricopa, AZ. He was married according to a passenger manifest of 1947, but I cannot find a wife or children.
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Thank you once more. I shall try the family search.org - I assume it is a site. Best Wishes Mohair
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From family memory book
Maureen (mohair) s paternal grandmother Miriam (Minnie )was born in Birmingham in 1876 to Lazarus BLUMBERG + Rachel
Lazarus was born in Russia in 1839
Rachel B .Germany in 1838
They had 7 children
Samuel 1863
Nathan 1865
Fanny 26 sept 1867
Abraham 1870
Esther 6th Dec 1871
Ezekiel 1874
* Miriam (Minnie )10 Nov 1876
For a time they lived in a tenemant flat which is now owned by the National Trust
Miriam BLUMBERG married
GOODMAN born in Poland under surname SIMKOVITZ ( wife GOLDA WARHA?TIG)
Their daughter was Eleonor GOODMAN m Emanuel ABROMIVITCH Name changed to Max EMANUEL at some point
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Photo of Eleanor GOODMAN age about 11
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Link to original post by mohair
Includes obituaries found by "sandra "
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=737155.0
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I write to record my interest in A BLUMBERG family [a brother-in-Law] who settled in New York State and married to my sister.
[For reasons unknown, my sister has maintained her birth surname and also passed this surname to her two sons who have recently started a new generation]. So what is the value of ANY surname and what is the point of our obsession with genealogy and genes/DNA?
I suspect that BLUMBERG is a fairly common family name with spelling variations from all over Eastern Europe!
Abraham Samuel Blumberg
1921–1996
BIRTH 27 JUN 1921 • New York, USA
DEATH 11 NOV 1996 • San Diego, San Diego, California, USA
father-in-law of sister View notes Add MyTreeTags™.
RootsChat people have recently helped me with the next generation step one male at a time!
I will value all your differing views.
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Elliott I agree that Blumberg Bloomberg is a common name but the whole point of DNA is you can see how closely you relate to others or if they are a different branch .
I feel people have a tendency to follow the male line and the name but the female lines are more certain and the name changes through marriage prove that you are following the correct family
There are many situations where children use their mother's surname it doesn't effect who they are .
Your nephews will still be descendants of a Blumberg common ancestor just as you are a descendant of your maternal grest grandmother who will probably not carry the same surname as you