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Title: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Wednesday 07 October 15 13:07 BST (UK)
A friend has asked if we could find what became of following males among her relatives.and if any details from earlier would be available .

The surname could be Blumberg in some cases, though in the census of 1881 it is Bloomberg.

Lazarus 42  Tailor Russia
Rachel (Pizer) 43 Germany
Samuel 18 Boot Riviter London
Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham
Fanny 13 B'ham    Born 36 Inge Street   (the "back-to-backs" run by National Trust)
Abraham 11 B'ham
Esther 9 B'ham    Born 62 Lichfield Street
Ezekiel 7 B'ham
Miriam 4 B'ham     Born 41     Lancaster Street

"The last name is my paternal Grandmother and I write to the Granddaughter of Fanny." 

   
Title: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Wednesday 07 October 15 13:36 BST (UK)
A friend has asked if we could find what became of following males among her relatives.and if any details from earlier would be available .

The surname could be Blumberg in some cases, though in the census of 1881 it is Bloomberg.

Lazarus 42  Tailor Russia
Rachel (Pizer) 43 Germany
Samuel 18 Boot Riviter London
Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham
Fanny 13 B'ham    Born 36 Inge Street   (the "back-to-backs" run by National Trust)
Abraham 11 B'ham
Esther 9 B'ham    Born 62 Lichfield Street
Ezekiel 7 B'ham
Miriam 4 B'ham     Born 41     Lancaster Street

"The last name is my paternal Grandmother and I write to the Granddaughter of Fanny." 

   
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 October 15 14:16 BST (UK)
1891 for info

Lazarus Bloomberg 52 born Riga occupation looks like traveller in kippers?
Rachael 54 born Poland
Abraham 22
Ester 20
Ezekiel 18
Miriam 15
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: miriamkinga on Wednesday 07 October 15 14:21 BST (UK)
1871 census at Hill St, Birmingham

Lazarus Bloomberg 33 b Germany
Rachel 32 also b Germany
Rebecca 11 & Samuel 8 both born Middlesex
Nathan 7, Fanny 4 & Abraham 2 all b Warwickshire

Ref: RG10/3112/19/3
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 October 15 14:22 BST (UK)
1861 living Whitechapel

Lazarus Blomberg 24 born Germany cap manufacturer
Rachel 24 born Germany
Rebecca 1 born Whitechapel
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 07 October 15 14:28 BST (UK)
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Nathan 16 Writing Clerk B'ham

Possible 1901 Hackney

Francis N (Nathaniel) Bloomberg 36 born Birmingham shoe manufacturer
Fannie 33
Henry P 4 son
Sarah Posner 70 mother in law widow
Gertrude Seccombe 21 servant

Marriage 1895 Fanny Posner
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Wednesday 07 October 15 21:08 BST (UK)
wow well done millipede .
Maureen has joined rootschat + seen these messages but hasn't worked out how to use the site 

i don't know her monika

..it took me a while to access correct pages . I'll talk her thru on phone maybe tomorow B

Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 07 October 15 22:34 BST (UK)
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if we could find what became of following males among her relatives

Have you checked later censuses for them or checked freebmd for marriages/deaths?
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 07 October 15 23:33 BST (UK)
1891 RG12/235/79/13
17 Marisell? Street, St Botolph Aldgate
Lazarus Bloomberg  52 Traveller in Slippers, Riga, Russia
Rachael Bloomberg  54 Conent, Poland
Abraham Bloomberg  22 Tailor, Hill St. Birmingham
Ester Bloomberg  20 Tailor, Litchfield St Birmingham
Ezekiel Bloomberg  18 Boot trade assistant, Lancaster St Birmingham
Miriam Bloomberg  15 no occ, Lancaster St Birmingham
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 07 October 15 23:42 BST (UK)
Lazarus Bloomberg
Age at death 75, estimated birth year about 1840
Registered 1915, Dec 1/4 
registration district Edmonton Middlesex
Vol 3a page 563
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: crisane on Thursday 08 October 15 00:15 BST (UK)
1901 RG13/232/54/24
5 church cres Hackney
Emanuel Matthews  48 Painter, Russia naturalised
Rebecca Matthews  39 wife Birmingham warwickshire
Samuel Matthews  19 son drapers errand boy Birmingham Warwickshire
Percy Matthews  15 cabinet maker Birmingham
Abram Matthews  10 Burton on Trent Staffordshire
Gertrude Matthews  8 Burton on Trent
Rachael Blomberg  64 Mother-in-law Poland
Lazams Blomberg  61 father-in-law Germany
William Griggs  28 Boarder
Grace Griggs  24 Boarder
Grace Griggs  3 Boarder
William Griggs  1 Boarder

The only marriage I can find around the right time for a Rebecca Bl*mb*rg is in Dec 1/4 1880 Birmingham registration district with the groom Matthew Gablenofski. So did he change his surname to his from name?
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: JustinL on Thursday 08 October 15 09:45 BST (UK)
Does your friend not have Lazarus' and Rachel's marriage certificate?

Lazarus Blumberg m. Rachel Pizar
Q3 London City vol 1c p288

The 1891 census reported that Lazarus came from Riga (where some of your Fellmans ended up). Riga was the captial of Courland/Kurland. Although formerly a province of the Russian Empire, Courland was ruled by Baltic German nobility until the 1880s. There was a very strong German cultural and linguistic influence. It is no surprise that Lazarus identified himself as German.

The surname Pizar/Pizer is derived from Peizer (ei is a long vowel sound, like ie in pie), the German name for what is now Pyzdry, SE of Poznan. Peizer was on the Russian side of the border between the Prussian province of Posen and Russian-ruled Congress Poland until 1918.

Justin
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: JustinL on Thursday 08 October 15 12:00 BST (UK)
Nathan called himself Francis Nathaniel Bloomberg and married Fanny Posner in Q1 1895 London City. They had a son named Henry Percy Bloomberg, b. 1896 in Stoke Newington.

Abraham (later known as Alfred) married Catherine 'Kate' Zwart in Q2 1892 London City. They had at least two children:

Harry Percy Bloomberg, b. 1892 Burton-on-Trent
Violet Stella or Stella Violet Bloomberg, b. 1905 Hackney

Samuel and Ezekiel are very elusive.
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Thursday 08 October 15 16:28 BST (UK)
Hi everyone who has replied to the Bloomberg question.   My name is mohair and I thank all of you who have replied.   You have done wonders.   Why no-one every spoke of all these relations, I have no idea.   Can anyone find descendants coming up to present time?
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 23 October 15 06:15 BST (UK)
There is now a wealth of info on this family on GR site here is the link so info is not repeated

http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1355587?jump=1355587

 Mohair we could ask admin to transfer this page to US boards as I think you will find more interest in descendents there

Also i wonder if we could transfer the thread to your name now that you are a member .
 


Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Friday 23 October 15 15:44 BST (UK)
tHANK YOU bRIGID.   i WILL TRY THAT LINK.   I don't know what you mean by transferring threads, sorry;  Maureen
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Friday 23 October 15 15:47 BST (UK)
Brigid,  I tried that site and got ChickleBunny's thread with a message from 2006.   urely that is not what you meant?  Maureen
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Saturday 24 October 15 20:41 BST (UK)
No mohair ...I didn#'t mean that when i click it goes to the Bloomberg  thread . will phone tues + try + sort it together
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: JustinL on Wednesday 28 October 15 08:35 GMT (UK)
Eureka ... maybe.

Charles would be a likely anglicisation of the name Ezekiel.

On 6th June 1894, a 21-year-old boot maker by the name of Charles Bloomberg left Liverpool on the Indiana bound for Philadelphia.

The 1900 US census recorded the 30-year-old shoe salesman Charles Bloomberg boarding in Manhattan. He was an English national of German parents.

The ages don't quite match for Ezekiel born on 19.01.1874, but the boot/shoe connection could be more than pure coincidence.

Justin
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Wednesday 28 October 15 11:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Justin,   I think you may have hit the jackpot.   After all, it does depend on what time of the year he boarded the boat because I have him born in 1874, but that was worked out from the 1881 census where he was listed as being 7 years old.   His elder brother, Samuel, was a boot riveter so it does seem to link up.   Are you able to trace him after that?  I shall ask aaround too.   Many thanks for the info.    Maureen (aka Mohair) 
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: JustinL on Wednesday 28 October 15 11:25 GMT (UK)
I am fairly certain that the eldest son, Solomon aka Samuel, married Elizabeth/Lizzie Goodfriend in Manhattan on 28 Aug 1887.

The parents of the groom were Lazarus B. and Rachel (born Posner).

The couple had the following children:

Blanche H. Bloomberg, b. 26 Jun 1888 Manhattan
Mariam Bloomberg, d. 5 Mar 1890 Manhattan (aged 0)
Moses Abraham Bloomberg, b. 20 Jul 1891 Manhattan
Jerome Bloomberg, b. 1892, d. 11 Jan 1892 Manhattan
Elieser Salomon / Salomon E. Bloomberg, b. 6 Jun 1893 Manhattan
Herbert S. Bloomberg, b. 21 Jan 1899 Manhattan

Familiar names?

This Samuel was born in England to parents that were sometimes English, sometimes something else, arrived in the US in 1886/7 and was in the shoe business.

He died on 7 Jul 1939. The death record reports his date of birth as 13 Apr 1863.

Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Wednesday 28 October 15 15:23 GMT (UK)
Well,yes you have struck gold again.   Can you trace any of his grandchildren?  By the way, Samuel was a boot rivetter in London, so that makes another confirmation.   Once again, thank you Mohair.
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: JustinL on Wednesday 28 October 15 15:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Maureen,

Much of the info I'm finding is readily available on familysearch.org

Blanche married Max Schwarz on 21.06.1911 in Brooklyn, New York. They appear to have had just the one daughter, Jean, born in New York city on 05.01.1918.

Salomon Elieser aka Solomon/Saul/Sol Eli married Sarah Leifert (b. 1890 Moscow, d/o Hermann Leifert and Bertha born Kirschbaum) on 18.11.1917. The couple was recorded in the 1930 and 1940 censuses with two children: Leonard, b. 1920, and Betty, b. 1927.

The youngest brother, Herbert Spencer Bloomberg, died in Mar 1974 in Maricopa, AZ. He was married according to a passenger manifest of 1947, but I cannot find a wife or children.
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: mohair on Thursday 29 October 15 14:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you once more.  I shall try the family search.org - I assume it is a site.   Best Wishes Mohair
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Tuesday 02 May 23 07:50 BST (UK)
From family memory book
Maureen (mohair) s paternal grandmother Miriam (Minnie )was born in Birmingham in 1876 to Lazarus BLUMBERG + Rachel

Lazarus was born in Russia in 1839
Rachel B .Germany in 1838

They had 7 children

Samuel 1863
Nathan 1865
Fanny 26 sept 1867
Abraham 1870
Esther 6th Dec 1871
Ezekiel 1874
* Miriam (Minnie )10 Nov 1876

For a time they lived in a tenemant flat which is now owned by the National Trust

Miriam BLUMBERG married
GOODMAN born in Poland under surname SIMKOVITZ ( wife GOLDA WARHA?TIG)

Their daughter was Eleonor GOODMAN m Emanuel ABROMIVITCH Name changed to Max EMANUEL at some point
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Tuesday 02 May 23 07:53 BST (UK)
Photo of Eleanor GOODMAN age about 11
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Wednesday 03 May 23 00:53 BST (UK)
Link to original post by mohair

Includes obituaries found by "sandra "



https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=737155.0
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family FURTHER THOUGHTS....
Post by: elliot on Monday 02 October 23 17:21 BST (UK)
I write to record my interest in A BLUMBERG family [a brother-in-Law] who settled in New York State and married to my sister.
[For reasons unknown, my sister has maintained her birth surname and also passed this surname to her two sons who have recently started a new generation].  So what is the value of ANY surname and what is the point of our obsession with genealogy and genes/DNA?

I suspect that BLUMBERG is a fairly common family name with spelling variations from all over Eastern Europe!

Abraham Samuel Blumberg
1921–1996
BIRTH 27 JUN 1921 • New York, USA
DEATH 11 NOV 1996 • San Diego, San Diego, California, USA
father-in-law of sister View notes  Add MyTreeTags™.

RootsChat people have recently helped me with the next generation step one male at a time!
I will value all your differing views.
Title: Re: Bloomberg/Blumberg family
Post by: brigidmac on Tuesday 03 October 23 19:22 BST (UK)
Elliott I agree that Blumberg Bloomberg is a common name  but the whole point of DNA is you can see how closely you relate to others or if they are a different branch .

I feel people have a tendency to follow the male line and the name but the female lines are more certain and the name changes through marriage prove that you are following the correct family

There are many situations where children use their mother's surname it doesn't effect who they are .

Your nephews will still be descendants of a Blumberg common ancestor just as you are a descendant of your maternal grest grandmother who will probably not carry the same surname as you