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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: whitey1954 on Thursday 08 October 15 23:55 BST (UK)
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Looking for help trying to find this woman ... Have very little info on her , I know she came from England between 1945-48 to join my grandfather Frederick Smith .. I have no idea of her age but my grandgather was born in 1901 and after the war she came to Toronto. And together they had a daughter in February 1948 , they never married as he was already married and died in 1956 ....found her name in the newspaper obit, it is hard to read the last name so it could be Butler but looks more like a R then B but can't be 100% .she also went by Ivy Smith at times , any info anyone can find on her would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Jamie
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Hi,
Here is your previous post about Frederick and Ivy.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696590.msg5400024#msg5400024
I found Frederick's sister's obit. Do you have this? She died July 30 1994 in Oakville. Interment Glendale Memorial Gardens. Toronto Star, 2 Aug, 1994, page E8. No mention of Ivy or of Ivy's daughters. :'(
RK
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Taking another look at Fred's obit, her last name could be Rutler, or maybe Rutter?? I really think that the first initial is an R.
Have you contacted the Glendale cemetery to see if anyone is buried with Fred?
Do you know if she was a lot younger than Fred? If so, could she still be living?
RK
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Following up on the info in your other post, Fred & Ivy are both noted as Smith and living at 96-27th Street, Long Branch in the 1953 Voters' List. Also in the household are a Jean and Margaret Troup. Fred is noted as a bus driver.
1957 list has Mrs. Ivy Smith living at the same address. Others in the household have surname Wild. 1958 has her as an office worker at the same address. Others have surname Marler. I pick her up again in 1965 at the same address. Other in the household has surname Selley.
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I also found an Ivy Rutter aboard the ship from Southampton bound for New York which departed in December 1946. Says she is a secretary, aged 38, not accompanied by husband; last address in England is 33 Church Rise, Forest Hill.
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This is great .. I have been looking for her passage with no luck so happy to get that ..now I might be able to find alittle more on her now that I know her age...have looked at sip manifest and it is her as she lists mrs Jeffries as who is going to visit and that is Fred's sister .I was told she had gone back to England after Fred"s death but now I see that is not right .thanks for all the help.i am going to get in contact with the cemetery where Fred is buried and see if they have any info.
Thanks again
Jamie
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I have emailed the cemetery where Fred is buried but as of yet no reply .. would anyone with access to ancestry have a look for her in England for me before she came to Canada maybe her parents names or any info would be appreciated
Thanks
Jamie
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London Electoral Rolls shows an Elizabeth Rutter and an Ivy Rutter living at 33 Church Road, part of Honor Oak Park Ward (Lewisham) in 1937. They are noted at the same address in 1935.
They be the same entry as in 1930 at 25 Bournville Road, Forest Hill Ward, with a Charles Stuart Rutter, along with Elizabeth, and Ivy Elizabeth Emma. Same occupants and address in 1931, 1932 and 1933. Charles must die shortly after this date. There is an entry in the index for the death of a Charles S. Rutter, aged 50, in Lewisham in the quarter ending March 1934.
There is an entry in the BMDs for the birth of an Ivy Emma Rutter in 1907 in Warwickshire. Marriage index entry for Charles Stuart Rutter in Camberwell to either an Elizabeth Clementina Badcock, or an Elizabeth Farrell, in the quarter ending December 1906. Birth registration for Charles in 1883 in Camberwell as well.
In the 1907 electoral register, Charles is living 2 Townley Road (1 room, first floor, furnished), in the home of Thomas Rutter, same address (likely his father). By 1913, he is living at 29 Camden Grove, three rooms, 1st floor, unfurnished. Landlord is C.P. Panton, same address.
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1901 English Census in Camberwell has Charles at home with his parents Thomas & Caroline. Siblings are Sidney, Joseph, Leopold. All born London.
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wow you have given me more in 5 minutes then I have been able to find out in weeks... Thanks for your help...
Jamie
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I am the daughter of: Ivy Elizabeth Emma Rutter and Frank Frederick Smith.
All information that I know of in the posts definitely is them. I grew up at 96-27th Street, Long Branch as posted. I did not know my parents were not married till my mother died at age 85.
Jamie - more secrets - just as you were told my mom moved back to England upon my father's & your grand fathers death. Had it not been a leap year then I would have been born on his birthday 1st March.
Lynne
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All the other names that Eileen Wilison found for 27th Street were people that lived on the second floor of the house. It was a one bedroom flat. Most from what I remember were short term renters.
My mother is buried beside my father (he went by Frank but I do remember that his middle name was Frederick) in Glendale. Not surprised that there was no mention of us in Roses's obit as there never was any contact after my father's death with anyone. I was 8 years old then & only tried to talk to her about his family a couple of times & she got really upset. No wounder, she must have been afraid all her life I would find out they were not married. So sad. I do know that my grandfather's name was
Charles Stuart Rutter. I have a photograph of him as a little boy - my mother wrote on the back of it. Hope to hear soon from Jamie. Lynne
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Hi Lynne
I have send you a private message with my email on it .. look under my messages and you should find it.
jamie
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Ivy E Rutter birth date 23 Dec 1907.
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manawakian - just a tip for the future in case you were not aware ;) Copyright rules apply to the 1939 register.
The rules for requesting information from commercial and/or subscription sites apply, ie no 1939 look-ups.
see the last but one paragraph here
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
Sandra
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Just to let all the people here that took the time to help me with my search to find my Mother's half sister a big thank you ... as of last week she has met all her new found family and we are so happy to meet her.. I am not sure I could have found her without all the help you gave me !!!!a big Thank You !
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I also would like to thank very much all the people that helped "Whitey" give information that lead us to connect. It was an amazing first family reunion. I am so blessed to now have all these new found relatives. RootsChat you are an amazing web site. Leap Year Lynne
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Wonderful news!! So glad to hear about the family reunion. :) :)
RK
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Great news and always lovely to receive an update.
Regards
Sandra