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Title: Kathleen Byrne
Post by: paintedlady on Saturday 10 October 15 15:45 BST (UK)
Kathleen Byrne was born in 1890 in Queenscounty Ireland.  She married my grandfather Robert Thomas Jones born in 1890 in Colwyn and they married in the register office, Conway in March 1913.  Kathleen's father was John William Byrne (deceased) at that time.

I am anxious to know whether Kathleen had any siblings and what her mother was called etc.

Any information about the above would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 10 October 15 16:27 BST (UK)
Have you looked for her on the Irish 1901 which is free to search at

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:08 BST (UK)
Hi There

Was there any occupation given for John ?

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:11 BST (UK)
A Possibility

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Portarlington_South/Ballymorris/1647238/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:13 BST (UK)
A possible with no parents.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Donore/Coole/1642810/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:14 BST (UK)
Another Possibility

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641653/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:15 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Rossmore/Rossmore/1646490/

Another Possibility

 Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:16 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Rossmore/Ballyhide/1646478/

Another Possibility

 Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:17 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Carlow/Brown_Street/1040580/

Another One

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:19 BST (UK)
Another One

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Graigue_Urban/Henry_Street/1041567/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 10 October 15 17:20 BST (UK)
There's also the possibility that she was in the UK by 1901.

As you can see this won't be easy without more info.

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: dathai on Sunday 11 October 15 15:48 BST (UK)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VK-XDF
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: paintedlady on Sunday 11 October 15 16:44 BST (UK)
Thanks to everyone who has tried their hardest to sort my query out.  I am still on the quest for any details on her mother and if there were any siblings.  Her father John William Byrne, I do not know his date of birth yet and he was noted on their marriage certificate as being deceased.  His trade is also on the certificate as 'joiner'.

So still delving but thanks to everyone who has kindly taken the trouble so far.

Sue
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 16:52 BST (UK)
No daughter Kathleen here but might be worth investigating further !

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 16:53 BST (UK)
OOOPS LINK  ;D

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641633/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 16:57 BST (UK)
Yesterday I gave you a link to a Kate Byrne who wasn't living with her immediate family, but extended family in Coole.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Donore/Coole/1642810/

Coole is quite close to Knockbaun where John the carpenter was living.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ga3/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ga2/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 17:25 BST (UK)
OOOHHHH

This one is interesting ~

There was the John Byrne in Dysartgallen in 1901 down as Carpeneter / Mason

PLUS there is another John Byrne in 1901 in Dysartgallen in 1901 down as a Mason

AND this one had a daughter called KATE

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641653/

Obvs Carpenter / Joiner are like professions ~ I wonder did Mason go hand in had too !

Still early days though !

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 17:26 BST (UK)
HUM,

John Byrne, with daughter Kate in 1901 . . .

He is widowed in 1911 and Kate not at home . . .

Promising  :)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/782305/

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 17:32 BST (UK)
What names did Kathleen give her children, in chronological order ?

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 11 October 15 17:34 BST (UK)
The Carpenter / Mason John is gone from the area in 1911, just to note !

Tara
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: paintedlady on Monday 12 October 15 00:38 BST (UK)
Hi Tara thanks for your input, yes it is interesting the research you have done so far for me.  I know nothing about Ireland I just know Kathleen came from there and it is possible she lived in the area of Queen's County at Dysartgallen?

I have never heard anyone mention her as being called 'Kate' but I realise it is a shortened version of Kathleen.  Kathleen would have left the home by 1911 as she was living in Llandrillo Yn Rhos Wales and married my grandfather in 1913 so that would fit in with why she was not on a 1911 census of Ireland but on the 1911 census of England and Wales?

I am hoping this will prove to be the family and will try to do some more research.  They were a catholic family as my grandfather was also.  I am a little surprised they got married in a registry office though being catholic,but it was 1913 and the Great War was looming large.  Her and Grandfather were 23 at the time of marriage and he went off to war shortly after they  married. They only had one child - my father.
Title: Re: athleen Byrne
Post by: dathai on Monday 12 October 15 10:59 BST (UK)
A few thoughts that may help your search
what brought a young lady to Wales
Did she have a relative working in the hotel who invited her over,are there any other Irish at that address in 1911
who were the witnesses at the marriage have you found these on the 1911 census.
Title: Re: Kathleen Byrne
Post by: taramcdsmall on Monday 12 October 15 12:10 BST (UK)
As Dathai said, a lot of work needs to be done in Wales and possibly England too.

You need to start with the 1911 census.

Look at all her neighbours, see are any of them possibly related.

Look to see if she is possibly on the 1901 census ~ I have given options for her on our 1901 Census but that's not to say that it's her.

Look on the Welsh, English census to see if you can see her family.

Don't get hung up on the variants of her name; it's one of those nightmare Christian names that has a HUGE amount of possibilities ~ check with C AND K as the starting letter on each one too.

Do you know who your Dad's Godparent's were ?

Might be leads there !

Who were her witness' at her marriage ?

Might be leads there !

Tara