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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: paintedlady on Saturday 10 October 15 15:45 BST (UK)
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Kathleen Byrne was born in 1890 in Queenscounty Ireland. She married my grandfather Robert Thomas Jones born in 1890 in Colwyn and they married in the register office, Conway in March 1913. Kathleen's father was John William Byrne (deceased) at that time.
I am anxious to know whether Kathleen had any siblings and what her mother was called etc.
Any information about the above would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you looked for her on the Irish 1901 which is free to search at
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Hi There
Was there any occupation given for John ?
Tara
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A Possibility
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Portarlington_South/Ballymorris/1647238/
Tara
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A possible with no parents.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Donore/Coole/1642810/
Tara
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Another Possibility
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641653/
Tara
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Rossmore/Rossmore/1646490/
Another Possibility
Tara
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Rossmore/Ballyhide/1646478/
Another Possibility
Tara
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Carlow/Brown_Street/1040580/
Another One
Tara
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Another One
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Graigue_Urban/Henry_Street/1041567/
Tara
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There's also the possibility that she was in the UK by 1901.
As you can see this won't be easy without more info.
Tara
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VK-XDF
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Thanks to everyone who has tried their hardest to sort my query out. I am still on the quest for any details on her mother and if there were any siblings. Her father John William Byrne, I do not know his date of birth yet and he was noted on their marriage certificate as being deceased. His trade is also on the certificate as 'joiner'.
So still delving but thanks to everyone who has kindly taken the trouble so far.
Sue
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No daughter Kathleen here but might be worth investigating further !
Tara
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OOOPS LINK ;D
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641633/
Tara
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Yesterday I gave you a link to a Kate Byrne who wasn't living with her immediate family, but extended family in Coole.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Donore/Coole/1642810/
Coole is quite close to Knockbaun where John the carpenter was living.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ga3/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ga2/
Tara
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OOOHHHH
This one is interesting ~
There was the John Byrne in Dysartgallen in 1901 down as Carpeneter / Mason
PLUS there is another John Byrne in 1901 in Dysartgallen in 1901 down as a Mason
AND this one had a daughter called KATE
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/1641653/
Obvs Carpenter / Joiner are like professions ~ I wonder did Mason go hand in had too !
Still early days though !
Tara
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HUM,
John Byrne, with daughter Kate in 1901 . . .
He is widowed in 1911 and Kate not at home . . .
Promising :)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Dysartgallen/Knockbaun/782305/
Tara
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What names did Kathleen give her children, in chronological order ?
Tara
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The Carpenter / Mason John is gone from the area in 1911, just to note !
Tara
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Hi Tara thanks for your input, yes it is interesting the research you have done so far for me. I know nothing about Ireland I just know Kathleen came from there and it is possible she lived in the area of Queen's County at Dysartgallen?
I have never heard anyone mention her as being called 'Kate' but I realise it is a shortened version of Kathleen. Kathleen would have left the home by 1911 as she was living in Llandrillo Yn Rhos Wales and married my grandfather in 1913 so that would fit in with why she was not on a 1911 census of Ireland but on the 1911 census of England and Wales?
I am hoping this will prove to be the family and will try to do some more research. They were a catholic family as my grandfather was also. I am a little surprised they got married in a registry office though being catholic,but it was 1913 and the Great War was looming large. Her and Grandfather were 23 at the time of marriage and he went off to war shortly after they married. They only had one child - my father.
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A few thoughts that may help your search
what brought a young lady to Wales
Did she have a relative working in the hotel who invited her over,are there any other Irish at that address in 1911
who were the witnesses at the marriage have you found these on the 1911 census.
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As Dathai said, a lot of work needs to be done in Wales and possibly England too.
You need to start with the 1911 census.
Look at all her neighbours, see are any of them possibly related.
Look to see if she is possibly on the 1901 census ~ I have given options for her on our 1901 Census but that's not to say that it's her.
Look on the Welsh, English census to see if you can see her family.
Don't get hung up on the variants of her name; it's one of those nightmare Christian names that has a HUGE amount of possibilities ~ check with C AND K as the starting letter on each one too.
Do you know who your Dad's Godparent's were ?
Might be leads there !
Who were her witness' at her marriage ?
Might be leads there !
Tara