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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: grubheam on Saturday 10 October 15 19:07 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I tried scotlandpeople and ancestry with lots of different variants of names.
James Lawrie (often spelled Laurie) and Janet Neilson (often spelled Nelson) should have married around 1820s in East Lothian and Mid Lothian.
Janet was born in 1806 in Athelstaneford and her parents were James Neilson and Anne Waldie if helps.
James - I have no idea who was his father and prob born in North Berwick.
Their eldest Charles was born in 1828.
Can you help please?
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Hi grubheam
You know you are searching pre the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855. Only about a third of events were recorded pre 1855, for all sorts of reasons.
Did either of them live/die in Scotland past 1855?
Monica :)
ADDED: For background here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=229258.0
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Hi grubheam.
I have this family in my database, but only because I have the marriage certificate of their son James.
James Lawrie age 23, blacksmith married Helen Ritchie 7th June, 1861, Dalgety, Fife.
His parents were James Lawrie, blacksmith, deceased and Janet Neilson.
His address was in Edinburgh, something street that I cannae read.
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Looking on FreeCEN, could this be the family?
1841, Market Street, Haddington, East Lothian:
James, 44, publican
Janet, 34
Charles, 13
Mary Ann, 10
Margaret, 7
James N., 3
John, 1
1851, 64 Buccleuch Street, Edinburgh:
Janet, 44, widow, laundress, b. Aldinsford
James, 12, message boy, b. Haddington
John, 10, scholar, b. Haddington
Robert, 5, b. Edinburgh
Peter Martin, 70, groom, visitor
Mary Martin, 60, visitor
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GR2 This looks like the family in the 1861 census
1861 Census: Fountain Bridge, St Cuthbert's, Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
Janet Lawrie Head Widow 54 1807 Formerly Laundress Drem, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
John Lawrie Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Groom Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
Robert Lawrie Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Baker Apprentice St Cuthbert's, Midlothian
But I cannae find the son James in the 1861 census.
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This is the son James and his wife in the 1871 census.
1871 census: St James Place, 2, St Cuthbert, Midlothian, Scotland
James Lawrie Head 33 1838 Blacksmith Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
Helen Lawrie Wife 31 1840 Crossgate, Fife
Mary Ann Lawrie Niece 5 1866 Midlothian
Also in my database I have the Death certificate of Helen Lawrie/Ritchie.
James Lawrie died whenever then Helen married Adam Hastie.
She died 1st December, 1919, Leslie, Fife.
Cause: Ovarian cyst
Age: 80 years
Informant: George Haining, nephew-in-law
Father: John Ritchie, labourer
Mother: Betsy Sistenson
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Looking at the census returns already posted, pattern of children’s names, blacksmithing etc., Could these be James Lawrie’s parents & siblings? Margaret Ingles also comes up as Ingils and Inglis
Charles Lourie married Margrat Ingils, daughter of James Ingles 26 May 1791 Canongate, Midlothian
Children:
Mary Ann Laurie 13 Aug 1792 Edinburgh
John 7 Feb 1795, bpt 18 Feb Prestonkirk
James 3 Oct 1796. bpt 11 Oct Whitekirk
Charles 1 Aug 1800, bpt 3 Aug Athelstanford
1841 Preston, Prestonkirk District 717
Charles Lawrie 35 Blacksmith
Isabella (White) Lawrie 35
Peter 9
Charles 7
James 6
John 4
Margaret 3
Hugh 1
Charles 79
*All born East Lothian
Charles Lawrie, Smith of Preston died 26 Oct 1844 aged 82. His wife, Margaret Ingles died 14 Feb 1830 aged 68 (MI at Prestonkirk)
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Hi grubheam.
I have this family in my database, but only because I have the marriage certificate of their son James.
James Lawrie age 23, blacksmith married Helen Ritchie 7th June, 1861, Dalgety, Fife.
His parents were James Lawrie, blacksmith, deceased and Janet Neilson.
His address was in Edinburgh, something street that I cannae read.
Is it possible to post a part of the image please for us to try & decipher the address with a bit of extra for comparison of writing?
Annie
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Is it possible to post a part of the image please for us to try & decipher the address with a bit of extra for comparison of writing?
Annie
Good call
(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x441/5jdewar/rootschat/1861.jpg)
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64 Nicolson Street
Annie
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Pic here of No. 73 so close-by
https://espc.com/properties/details.aspx?pid=356022
Annie
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64 Nicolson Street
Annie
Well done.
1861 census: Nicolson Street, St Cuthbert's, Newington, Midlothian, Scotland
James Laurie Head Unmarried 23 1838 Blacksmith Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
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This must be the family in the 1841 census.
1841 census: Market Street, Haddington, Haddingtonshire
James Lawrie 44 1797 Haddingtonshire
Janet Lawrie 34 1807 Haddingtonshire
Charles Lawrie 13 1828 Haddingtonshire
Mary Ann Lawrie 10 1831 Haddingtonshire
Margret Lawrie 7 1834 Haddingtonshire
James N Lawrie 3 1838 Haddingtonshire
John Lawrie 1 1840 Haddingtonshire
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Wow! Yes I know about pre 1855, thank you.
Janet, a widow of James Lawrie, a blacksmith, died in 1867 on Potterow, Edinburgh and son Charles presented at her death.
I couldn't find father James' death. I also couldn't find the birth of the rest of children - Mary Ann, Margaret, John and James - tried Haddington births. Very fishy.
Charles was born in Haddington but it didn't show what his father James do. Charles married to Janet Gifford in 1857 on Earl Grey Street, Edinburgh, showing his father James, smith, deceased and Janet nee Neilson - witness was Charles' brother James Neilson Lawrie.
Charles' sister Mary Ann of 15 Brown Street, married to Christopher Bryant, a printer of Richmond Place, in St Cuthberts, Edinburgh in 1853, showing eldest daughter of late James Lawrie, blacksmith, Haddington.
I hope you can help more please, amazing detectives!
Thank you for you time
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Here are the other two brothers with their wives in the 1871 census.
1871 census: Temple Edinburgh, Stobhill, Midlothian
John Lawrie Head 30 1841 Coachman Haddington
Ann Lawrie Wife 30 1841 Inverness
James Lawrie Son 9 1862 Scholar Edinburgh
Janet Lawrie Daughter 6 1865 Dunbar, Haddingtonshire
William T Lawrie Son 3 1868 Dalkeith, Midlothian
Ann B Lawrie Daughter 0 1871 Temple, Midlothian
Barbara Henry Step Daughter 7 1864 Inverness
1871 census: Wrights Houses, 16, St Cuthbert Edinburgh, Newington, Midlothian
Robert T Lawrie Head 25 1846 Foreman Baker Midlothian, Scotland
Elizabeth Lawrie Wife 25 1846 Midlothian, Scotland
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I also have the family of Charles Lawrie in my database.
I didn’t have the connection to James Lawrie, blacksmith.
What I have is Charles' daughter Mary Anne Lawrie marriage to James Turner, hotel waiter, 27th January, 1887, Edinburgh.
This is the family in the1881 census
1881 census: 13, Bedford Street, St Cuthberts, St Georges, Midlothian
Charles Lawrie Head 53 1828 Painter (Unemployed) Haddingtonshire
Janet Lawrie Wife 50 1831 Midlothian
Mary A Lawrie Daughter 17 1864 Servant Domestic Midlothian
Nicol J Lawrie Son 15 1866 Message Boy Midlothian
Charlotte Lawrie Daughter 12 1869 Scholar Midlothian
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The youngest brother Robert Lawrie married Elizabeth Brown in January,1869.
Name Robert Lawrie
Spouse: Elizabeth Brown
Marriage: 6th January, 1869, Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh
Their bairn Robert Brown Lawrie was born the same year.
Name: Robert Brown Lawrie
Birth: 6th October, 1869, EDINBURGH PARISH, EDINBURGH
Father: Robert Lawrie
Mother: Elizabeth Brown
I cannot find a death or a census return for young Robert B. Lawrie.
1871 census: Wrights Houses, 16, St Cuthbert Edinburgh
Robert T Lawrie Head 25 1846 Foreman Baker Midlothian
Elizabeth Lawrie Wife 25 1846 Midlothian
Elizabeth dies in Dumfries in 1873…
Name: Elizabeth Brown
Died: 31st December, 1873, Penpoint, Dumfries
Cause: Phthisis pulmonalis
Age: 27 years
Informant: Robert Lawrie, widower
Father: Robert Brown, carrier
Mother: Elizabeth Foggo
…and Robert then marries Isabella Wallace.
Name Robert Lawrie
Spouse: Isabella Wallace
Marriage: 10th Dec 1874, Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh
1881 census: 121, Links Street, Abbotshall, Kirkcaldy, Fife
Robert Lawrie Head 35 1846 Baker Edinburgh, Midlothian
Isabella Lawrie Wife 30 1851 - Earlston, Berwickshire
James Lawrie Son 5 1876 - Edinburgh, Midlothian
Agnes Lawrie Daughter 4 1877 - Edinburgh, Midlothian
George Lawrie Son 2 1879 - Edinburgh, Midlothian
Jessie Lawrie Daughter 0 1881 Abbotshall, Fife
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thank you buckhind, I got a whole Charles and Janet's family and descendants on records already - I am still after the missing marriage though.
???
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Hi grubheam, have you found this yet? They married in Haddington in June 1827, banns were read out on 3 and 10 June. It's in the Parish Registers (Parish 709, Ref. 8059).
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Hi grubheam, have you found this yet? They married in Haddington in June 1827, banns were read out on 3 and 10 June. It's in the Parish Registers (Parish 709, Ref. 8059).
Well spotted.
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Gosh, it took me ages to read the whole topic again after a year ago!
Thank you so much for looking out for me - much appreciated
:D :D