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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: PCalder on Sunday 11 October 15 20:33 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm trying to get information about an ancestor as per the subject line. I live in the US, so going to Whitehaven myself is out of the question right now. Any suggestions? I've already gotten the "low hanging fruit".
-Patrick
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There was an enquiry going back to July 2006 from a RootsChat member re Thomas Calder - reply 205 on the link below. Might be worth contacting to see if they can help you.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=83164.198
Sandra
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I'm intrigued as to where this information has come from.
The records online for Whitehaven are quite comprehensive covering a number of churches - there were no Calder's baptised in Whitehaven between 1780-1810. Indeed, can't find any Calder's at all baptised in the whole of Cumberland in this time period!
Annette
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Hi,
This comes from "Passamaquoddy Genealogies of West Isles Families" by Martha Ford Barto, C1975. It indicates there, that this is taken from "family histories", but I have seen this information given elsewhere, though I admit it's highly possible they all come from a common source.
Can you point me in the direction of the records you are referring to? I'd love to take a look just to be certain, though if he's not there I'm not sure where I'll hunt next!
-Patrick
I'm intrigued as to where this information has come from.
The records online for Whitehaven are quite comprehensive covering a number of churches - there were no Calder's baptised in Whitehaven between 1780-1810. Indeed, can't find any Calder's at all baptised in the whole of Cumberland in this time period!
Annette
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There is an 1871 census entry than gives his birthplace as England.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4MD-F4H
Has he been found on other Canadian censuses?
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All ancestry trees quote Thomas Calder as born 1795 Whitehaven - married 1822 Maine US to Mary Pendleton.
Most trees seem to quote the 1851 New Brunswick Census and or links to ancestry trees - so basically all copied from one another.
No details of the birth of Thomas on the marriage record 22 February 1821 to Mary Pendleton - one quote says "Married by J.D. Weston per Eastport Sentinel" - haven't come across that yet to see if it gives further clues ???
This census is given as a possibility for Thomas Calder and Mary - West Isles Charlotte County New Brunswick 1851
Thomas Calder 56 Carpentry. First entered the province in 1813 ??? (A note says could not tell the exact date ??)
Mary Calder 49 First entered colony at birth.
Henry B Calder 13 First entered colony at birth.
James G Calder 11 First entered colony at birth.
Lucinda Calder 8 First entered colony at birth.
Charlotte Calder 4 First entered colony at birth.
Death of Henry Calder in 1922 Fairhaven Deer Island, Charlotte, NB just gives father as Thomas Calder born England.
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/141C5.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=96a4fa32-10a4-467c-9a37-d6301034786a
Sandra
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Patrick, the baptism records are on familysearch.org.
Perhaps he simply sailed from Whitehaven, rather than being born there?? Calder is a Scottish surname and the only baptisms for a Thomas Calder in the whole of England in the relevant time frame (I searched 1791-1801) are both non-conformist, found on FindMyPast:
Thomas Calder born.30/7/1795 of St. Michael in the Mount, Lincoln (London Dr. Williams Library Registry) , son of John Calder and Hannah, dau. of William Castleton.
Thomas Calder b.30/7/1795 of St. Michael in the Mount, City of Lincoln, bp.21/8/1795 Zion Chapel, Lincoln, son of John and Sarah.
So, the 2 entries refer to the same child - born/baptised in Lincoln and then written up in the London register on 28/3/1796). Thus don't know if John's wife was Sarah (as actual baptism record in Lincoln) or Hannah (as written in the register in London).
Can't see any other baptisms in Lincoln though so no idea as to where parents came from.
Added: Familysearch shows a marriage of a John Calder to Hannah Castleton on 27/12/1779 St. Botolph's, Lincoln so looks like the baptism entry in Lincoln showing 'Sarah' is the record that's wrong.
Annette
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Just found on familysearch another child baptised:
Frederick Calder b.13/9/1785, bp.16/9/1785 St. Michael on the Mount, Lincoln, son of John and 'Hannah'.
Annette
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Anette,
Thank you so much. As you know, Whitehaven was a significant port so it's very likely that was listed as his birth as time went on and people became a but more confused.
I will continue to search, but I think it's pretty likely that you found the right spot for me. Thank you so much!
Patrick, the baptism records are on familysearch.org.
Perhaps he simply sailed from Whitehaven, rather than being born there?? Calder is a Scottish surname and the only baptisms for a Thomas Calder in the whole of England in the relevant time frame (I searched 1791-1801) are both non-conformist, found on FindMyPast:
Thomas Calder born.30/7/1795 of St. Michael in the Mount, Lincoln (London Dr. Williams Library Registry) , son of John Calder and Hannah, dau. of William Castleton.
Thomas Calder b.30/7/1795 of St. Michael in the Mount, City of Lincoln, bp.21/8/1795 Zion Chapel, Lincoln, son of John and Sarah.
So, the 2 entries refer to the same child - born/baptised in Lincoln and then written up in the London register on 28/3/1796). Thus don't know if John's wife was Sarah (as actual baptism record in Lincoln) or Hannah (as written in the register in London).
Can't see any other baptisms in Lincoln though so no idea as to where parents came from.
Added: Familysearch shows a marriage of a John Calder to Hannah Castleton on 27/12/1779 St. Botolph's, Lincoln so looks like the baptism entry in Lincoln showing 'Sarah' is the record that's wrong.
Annette
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Quote - I will continue to search, but I think it's pretty likely that you found the right spot for me. Thank you so much!
The distance between Lincoln and Whitehaven is something like 328 kilometres according to google.
If he sailed from Whitehaven, he could have easily nipped over the border from Scotland. I can't see how you can say that Lincoln could be the right spot.
Sandra
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Haha, yes, I was referring to Familysearch.org! Sorry I wasn't clear!