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Title: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 15:43 BST (UK)
I am trying to find the baptism of my husbands 3x great grandfather Oliver Anderson. He was born, we believe in Fyelbacka in 1845. His mother was Johanna Christian and his father was Alexander Anderson,  a sea Captain. I can't find anyinformation on Alexander or Johanna on any census apart from that on Olivers marriage cert. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 12 October 15 20:52 BST (UK)
Hi Jax49

Do you have any dates when Oliver left Sweden.
Which country did he get married in?
Also how do you know he was born in Fyelbacka, was it on his marriage certificate.


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 21:07 BST (UK)
Thanks for the reply.

Oliver married twice in Scotland.  He married sisters, as it was not allowed he slightly altered the details on the second certificate.

Like his father Oliver was a master mariner. In the Lloyds register index Oliver is listed as being born in fjellbacka. From only one census that i found it says he was born in Sweden (British Subject)I cannot find any reference to Alexander on any census.

I would love to know about Johanna Christian as well.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 12 October 15 21:11 BST (UK)

I would love to know about Johanna Christian as well.


Does Johanna's surname say Christian as it is a little peculiar?
Also which census is Oliver on?


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 21:25 BST (UK)
Hi

I've just checked the marriage record again and it  looks like Christian.

Oliver is in the 1881 census. He was on the Strathyne a vessel he had a few''problems' with. Oliver died in Sierra Leone in 1891 he had been demoted to 1st mate as a consequence of said problem.

Thanks Ian.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 21:26 BST (UK)
Should of mentioned his place of birth was also on his Masters Certificate.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 12 October 15 21:27 BST (UK)
Thanks.

When did he get married and were his parents recorded as deceased?


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 21:51 BST (UK)
Ive just rechecked the certs and i don't think Johanna was his mothers name i think that one was a fib not correct as the family believed. Both parents are alive on both certs. He married 1871 then 1882 in Glasgow. On the other certmother was Joan Charles.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 12 October 15 22:28 BST (UK)
Hi
Hmmm. Problems I'm afraid. The place he was born was Fjällbacka Parish north of Gothenburg. Fjällbacka became a parish in 1882 so there will be no records for him there. The parish that he was most probably born in was Kville Parish which unfortunately all the parish records before 1860 perished in a fire in 1904.

I have found a record of a sailor O. Alexandersson born in Kville in 1849. His name may have been Olof Alexandersson here in Sweden..... a possibility perhaps.

This won't be easy I'm afraid.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 22:32 BST (UK)
Thanks for your help. I suspected it would be difficult.

Maybe one day....
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 12 October 15 22:35 BST (UK)
I'll have another dig tomorrow.

Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 22:36 BST (UK)
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 11:38 BST (UK)
Hi again

Can you give me names of his children please, also did he have a middle name?


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 11:48 BST (UK)
and did he end up in Glasgow?


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:19 BST (UK)
His children were all born and lived in Glasgow.  My guess is his father was also a Master Mariner and maybe he sailed with his wife to Sweden. On his other marriage certificate he states that Alexander was a farmer. I don't know which to believe.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:22 BST (UK)
Did he have a middle name?
If possible I would like his children's names.

I have found a family and want to check up first.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:24 BST (UK)
No middle name that i am aware of. Funnily enough i went on Ancestry last night and i found an 'Only Mate' certificate for an Olaf Anderson, same place and year of birth, in fact it was 25th March 1844 his birth. It was issued in London.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:31 BST (UK)
Children

Alexander b Glasgow 1872
Robert    b Glssgow 1874

His first wife Elizabeth Stewart d 1878

He married Margaret Elizabeths sister in 1872

Children

Frances Ann b Ireland (not Olivers)
Robert John b 1884 Glasgow
Edward b 1885 Glasgow
Charles Nestor 1888 b Glasgow  (my husbands direct descendant)
James b 1890 Glasgow

Thanks

Jacqui
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:38 BST (UK)

Charles Nestor 1888 b Glasgow  (my husbands direct descendant)


Lovely, just what was needed.
This family I have found had an Olof with a brother called Carl Nestor. This Olof was written in the "Missings Persons Book" by the minister in 1881 as living in Glasgow. He was a seaman.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:40 BST (UK)
An explanation on these books:
http://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy/non-existing-persons-book


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 14:59 BST (UK)
Ian thank you so much that is very interesting. My father in law had the same name Charles Nestor and we always wondered where the name came from, it seems it must be a family name that was passed through the family. So now I'm wondering which of his parents were Swedish?
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:00 BST (UK)
You were very lucky in the fact that Swedish Statistik Bureau had reconstructed the books from the "censuses" after the fire. So I went through them and found this family:

1860
Alexander Didricksson Wingård b.1820
Johanna Christiansdotter b.1823

Johan Didrik b.1843
Olof August b.1845
Carl Nestor b.1848
Aron b.1851
Hans Peter b.1853
Otto Albin b.1856
Christian b.1858
Edvard Theodor b.1859
Anna Lisa b.1849
Inger Helena b.1861
Albertina b.1863
Catharina b.1868


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:01 BST (UK)
Here is Olof August in the missings book:

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:05 BST (UK)
That is them!!!!

I cannot thank you enough for the help you have given me. My husband will be so pleased.

I have a big smile on my face 😁






Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:08 BST (UK)
I should mention i have no idea how Alexanders name comes about. I understand Christiandotter, daughter of Christian.😊
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:09 BST (UK)
It certainly looks like it doesn't it.

I have just read Alexander Didricksson's Inventory of Estate/Will from 1895  and it states that Olof was still abroad. They didn't know of his death here then.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:12 BST (UK)
You will probably never know why he chose Anderson. This certainly looks like to be him and his family. We will have to thank the minister for writing Glasgow.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 13 October 15 15:29 BST (UK)
Just looked up Johanna Christiansdotter's Inventory of Estate/Will from 1888 and it is also stated that Olof was abroad. Olof was actually written down as Olle.


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 10:15 BST (UK)
Hi again

Because there are no records before 1860 from the original Parish Books the only place to find some would be here:

There are a few hits on FamilySearch using Alexander Wingard and Johanna Christiansdotter
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gaj/

and on Ancestry there are a couple of hits too and a tree for an Olof August Alexandersson. I cannot check them unfortunately as I haven't renewed my subscription yet. But you might even be able to find Oliver's birth record.


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: pinefamily on Wednesday 14 October 15 10:54 BST (UK)
Hi Ian,
I have a month's access to ancestry at the moment. The tree is for a different Olof Alexandersson unfortunately, born in 1884. Sorry.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 11:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Pinefamily.

Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 12:13 BST (UK)
Have you seen the death of British National Oliver Anderson in 1891 on FindMyPast?

He must surely have been a British Subject especially I think if he got his Seaman Certificate to be a captain in the Merchant Navy.


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 14:53 BST (UK)
There are 2 records on Ancestry "All UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1912" for an Olaf Anderson and an Oliver Anderson.
Worth a look perhaps.

Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 17:40 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the information. I hadn't spotted the Naturalisation record on Ancestry i will check it out.

One other thing puzzles me why would all the family be on the 1880 census?Surely a few of the family would be married. Oliver was between marriages at the time! !!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 18:16 BST (UK)
Yes you are right.
If we could have read the original books it would have looked a little different. The minister would have crossed off the children when they left home. In this case the names were kept for statistical reasons I suppose.

Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 18:43 BST (UK)
Ah i see. Makes sense now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 19:26 BST (UK)
Here is an interesting site where you can see a number of the members of the Vingård family in Svenneby Parish.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gan/

Unfortunately it is in Swedish but you can see the family at least.


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 19:34 BST (UK)
It's wonderful to see all those names so interedting. Thank you!!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 19:37 BST (UK)
You're welcome.

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 20:19 BST (UK)
Here is a map of the parishes around Fjällbacka. Note that Fjällbacka became a parish in 1882. It broke out from Kville Parish, so Oliver would not have known that when he was in Scotland. As you can see Kville and Svenneby are neighbours.
So he must have been born in Fjällbacka town which was part of Kville then. That is my interpretation.
Yes it says "idiot"..... mentally ill.

If the names are crossed out then that means they left home or parish.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%A4llbacka_distrikt#/media/File:Distrikt_Tanum.jpg

Ian


Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 20:32 BST (UK)
Here is a map of the area:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gap/


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: pinefamily on Wednesday 14 October 15 20:51 BST (UK)
Couldn't see Oliver/Olof on the naturalisation certificates, but there are three entries for him on ancestry for masters/mates certificates, all born Fjällbacka.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:04 BST (UK)
Yes i saw the Masters certs thats where we first learned where in Sweden hecwas from.

We have just been discussing this with our daughter and she has just rightly stated we are not actually Scottish Andersons...ha ha!!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:08 BST (UK)
Thanks for the maps by the way,  the area is clearer in my mind now.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:08 BST (UK)
This link should work for the Naturalisation records:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gaq/


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:14 BST (UK)
Doesn't look like our Oliver/Olof, pity!!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:16 BST (UK)
Oh well.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Wednesday 14 October 15 21:34 BST (UK)
We can't win them all. I'm more than pleased with what you've given me!!!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Thursday 15 October 15 10:32 BST (UK)
You must be sick of me now but...was there any mention of Alexanders profession in any of the records?
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 15 October 15 10:46 BST (UK)

You must be sick of me now


HaHa... nearly. No not at all. Just ask away.

He was recorded as a "hemmansegare" in other words he was a farmer who owned his own land. He was not a Master Mariner unfortunately. I have helped other members with their "Master Mariners" in the past and I have never seen it to be true. It seems as though the son wants to lift their father's status a little. I think I would have done it myself as it looks better on the certificate.


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Thursday 15 October 15 13:23 BST (UK)
So that means his second marriage certificate had the correct information on. Correct mothers name and correct profession of his father.
I love the fact Alexanders surname was Wingard meaning winery, just up my street!!!

I wonder what he farmed?

Thanks once again.
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 15 October 15 18:20 BST (UK)
I have found a great tree of the whole of the Wingårds family going back to 1510. There is a book somewhere on this family here in Sweden.....

http://gw.geneanet.org/ellpe?lang=sv;pz=lars+peter;nz=andreasson;ocz=1;p=olof+august;n=wingard


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 15 October 15 18:29 BST (UK)
This priest is in the tree who is a ggg uncle of Alexander....

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Wing%C3%A5rd


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 15 October 15 19:31 BST (UK)
Just got back online with Ancestry and found Oliver's DoB 17 Feb 1845. Pity that the original books aren't still around, it would have been nice to see the record.

Ian


Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Thursday 15 October 15 19:35 BST (UK)
Whoa i didn't expect to see all this!! I must of missed his birth record on Ancestry, i have a world membership. What name was it under?

I know what i will be doing the rest of this evening.

Thank you thank you thank you😊
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 15 October 15 19:44 BST (UK)
It is in the "UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927" records. There are 4 of them. It's the one with Port of Issue: Greenock on the 3rd page.

Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Thursday 15 October 15 19:56 BST (UK)
I didn't spot that one. His first certificate had a different date if i remember correctly, the one on which he is named as Olof!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 16 October 15 09:44 BST (UK)
Have you seen the other 4 Master and Mates records for Oliver Anderson. They give addresses etc. The Olof record has a different DoB... 25 March 1844.
You will have to read all the pages as sometimes there are a few of them, even going backwards sometimes.

Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 16 October 15 09:52 BST (UK)

I didn't spot that one. His first certificate had a different date if i remember correctly, the one on which he is named as Olof!


Ha.. Just read your post again. Yes they have different dates but this one was issued in London so probably not your man.


Ian
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Jax49 on Friday 16 October 15 13:26 BST (UK)
I think you are right, different men from the same area! It does make interesting reading!!
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: Linda kelly on Tuesday 09 October 18 02:13 BST (UK)
Hi very interested in Oliver Anderson master mariner who married first Elizabeth Stewart and later after her death married her sister Margaret. Oliver and Margaret are my 3x grt grandparents. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Happy to share my line with you. Many thanks
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 12 October 18 10:34 BST (UK)
Hi Linda and welcome to RootsChat.
I have dug up these records for you, the ones Jax49 has. The first 5 books have been reconstructed as the originals were destroyed in a fire in 1904.

1860
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01muk/

1870
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mul/

1880
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mum/

1890
Olof's father at top of page and his brother on the previous page at the bottom:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mun/

Olof in the missing persons book:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01muo/

1912
Otto Albin's family (Olof's brother):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mup/


Ian

Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: sarah on Monday 15 October 18 19:59 BST (UK)
Quote
Thank you so much it really is appreciated your an absolute star.
Are you connected to the family in any way?
All the best
Linda

Message from Linda for you Ian.

To reply to your topics on RootsChat you need to log in and click on the blue reply button Linda ;)

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Fjelbacka , sweden baptisms
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 15 October 18 21:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Sarah.

Hi Linda
You're welcome. No I am not related or connected.
You can't unfortunately go back further but you can go forwards if you want by following for example Otto Albin.
If you want help I can do that too.
Ian