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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Jax49 on Monday 12 October 15 15:43 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find the baptism of my husbands 3x great grandfather Oliver Anderson. He was born, we believe in Fyelbacka in 1845. His mother was Johanna Christian and his father was Alexander Anderson, a sea Captain. I can't find anyinformation on Alexander or Johanna on any census apart from that on Olivers marriage cert. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks.
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Hi Jax49
Do you have any dates when Oliver left Sweden.
Which country did he get married in?
Also how do you know he was born in Fyelbacka, was it on his marriage certificate.
Ian
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Thanks for the reply.
Oliver married twice in Scotland. He married sisters, as it was not allowed he slightly altered the details on the second certificate.
Like his father Oliver was a master mariner. In the Lloyds register index Oliver is listed as being born in fjellbacka. From only one census that i found it says he was born in Sweden (British Subject)I cannot find any reference to Alexander on any census.
I would love to know about Johanna Christian as well.
Thanks again.
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I would love to know about Johanna Christian as well.
Does Johanna's surname say Christian as it is a little peculiar?
Also which census is Oliver on?
Ian
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Hi
I've just checked the marriage record again and it looks like Christian.
Oliver is in the 1881 census. He was on the Strathyne a vessel he had a few''problems' with. Oliver died in Sierra Leone in 1891 he had been demoted to 1st mate as a consequence of said problem.
Thanks Ian.
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Should of mentioned his place of birth was also on his Masters Certificate.
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Thanks.
When did he get married and were his parents recorded as deceased?
Ian
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Ive just rechecked the certs and i don't think Johanna was his mothers name i think that one was a fib not correct as the family believed. Both parents are alive on both certs. He married 1871 then 1882 in Glasgow. On the other certmother was Joan Charles.
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Hi
Hmmm. Problems I'm afraid. The place he was born was Fjällbacka Parish north of Gothenburg. Fjällbacka became a parish in 1882 so there will be no records for him there. The parish that he was most probably born in was Kville Parish which unfortunately all the parish records before 1860 perished in a fire in 1904.
I have found a record of a sailor O. Alexandersson born in Kville in 1849. His name may have been Olof Alexandersson here in Sweden..... a possibility perhaps.
This won't be easy I'm afraid.
Ian
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Thanks for your help. I suspected it would be difficult.
Maybe one day....
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I'll have another dig tomorrow.
Ian
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Many thanks.
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Hi again
Can you give me names of his children please, also did he have a middle name?
Ian
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and did he end up in Glasgow?
Ian
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His children were all born and lived in Glasgow. My guess is his father was also a Master Mariner and maybe he sailed with his wife to Sweden. On his other marriage certificate he states that Alexander was a farmer. I don't know which to believe.
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Did he have a middle name?
If possible I would like his children's names.
I have found a family and want to check up first.
Ian
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No middle name that i am aware of. Funnily enough i went on Ancestry last night and i found an 'Only Mate' certificate for an Olaf Anderson, same place and year of birth, in fact it was 25th March 1844 his birth. It was issued in London.
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Children
Alexander b Glasgow 1872
Robert b Glssgow 1874
His first wife Elizabeth Stewart d 1878
He married Margaret Elizabeths sister in 1872
Children
Frances Ann b Ireland (not Olivers)
Robert John b 1884 Glasgow
Edward b 1885 Glasgow
Charles Nestor 1888 b Glasgow (my husbands direct descendant)
James b 1890 Glasgow
Thanks
Jacqui
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Charles Nestor 1888 b Glasgow (my husbands direct descendant)
Lovely, just what was needed.
This family I have found had an Olof with a brother called Carl Nestor. This Olof was written in the "Missings Persons Book" by the minister in 1881 as living in Glasgow. He was a seaman.
Ian
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An explanation on these books:
http://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy/non-existing-persons-book
Ian
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Ian thank you so much that is very interesting. My father in law had the same name Charles Nestor and we always wondered where the name came from, it seems it must be a family name that was passed through the family. So now I'm wondering which of his parents were Swedish?
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You were very lucky in the fact that Swedish Statistik Bureau had reconstructed the books from the "censuses" after the fire. So I went through them and found this family:
1860
Alexander Didricksson Wingård b.1820
Johanna Christiansdotter b.1823
Johan Didrik b.1843
Olof August b.1845
Carl Nestor b.1848
Aron b.1851
Hans Peter b.1853
Otto Albin b.1856
Christian b.1858
Edvard Theodor b.1859
Anna Lisa b.1849
Inger Helena b.1861
Albertina b.1863
Catharina b.1868
Ian
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Here is Olof August in the missings book:
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That is them!!!!
I cannot thank you enough for the help you have given me. My husband will be so pleased.
I have a big smile on my face 😁
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I should mention i have no idea how Alexanders name comes about. I understand Christiandotter, daughter of Christian.😊
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It certainly looks like it doesn't it.
I have just read Alexander Didricksson's Inventory of Estate/Will from 1895 and it states that Olof was still abroad. They didn't know of his death here then.
Ian
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You will probably never know why he chose Anderson. This certainly looks like to be him and his family. We will have to thank the minister for writing Glasgow.
Ian
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Just looked up Johanna Christiansdotter's Inventory of Estate/Will from 1888 and it is also stated that Olof was abroad. Olof was actually written down as Olle.
Ian
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Hi again
Because there are no records before 1860 from the original Parish Books the only place to find some would be here:
There are a few hits on FamilySearch using Alexander Wingard and Johanna Christiansdotter
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gaj/
and on Ancestry there are a couple of hits too and a tree for an Olof August Alexandersson. I cannot check them unfortunately as I haven't renewed my subscription yet. But you might even be able to find Oliver's birth record.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I have a month's access to ancestry at the moment. The tree is for a different Olof Alexandersson unfortunately, born in 1884. Sorry.
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Thanks Pinefamily.
Ian
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Have you seen the death of British National Oliver Anderson in 1891 on FindMyPast?
He must surely have been a British Subject especially I think if he got his Seaman Certificate to be a captain in the Merchant Navy.
Ian
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There are 2 records on Ancestry "All UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1912" for an Olaf Anderson and an Oliver Anderson.
Worth a look perhaps.
Ian
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Thanks for all the information. I hadn't spotted the Naturalisation record on Ancestry i will check it out.
One other thing puzzles me why would all the family be on the 1880 census?Surely a few of the family would be married. Oliver was between marriages at the time! !!
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Yes you are right.
If we could have read the original books it would have looked a little different. The minister would have crossed off the children when they left home. In this case the names were kept for statistical reasons I suppose.
Ian
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Ah i see. Makes sense now. Thanks.
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Here is an interesting site where you can see a number of the members of the Vingård family in Svenneby Parish.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gan/
Unfortunately it is in Swedish but you can see the family at least.
Ian
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It's wonderful to see all those names so interedting. Thank you!!
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You're welcome.
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Here is a map of the parishes around Fjällbacka. Note that Fjällbacka became a parish in 1882. It broke out from Kville Parish, so Oliver would not have known that when he was in Scotland. As you can see Kville and Svenneby are neighbours.
So he must have been born in Fjällbacka town which was part of Kville then. That is my interpretation.
Yes it says "idiot"..... mentally ill.
If the names are crossed out then that means they left home or parish.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%A4llbacka_distrikt#/media/File:Distrikt_Tanum.jpg
Ian
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Here is a map of the area:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gap/
Ian
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Couldn't see Oliver/Olof on the naturalisation certificates, but there are three entries for him on ancestry for masters/mates certificates, all born Fjällbacka.
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Yes i saw the Masters certs thats where we first learned where in Sweden hecwas from.
We have just been discussing this with our daughter and she has just rightly stated we are not actually Scottish Andersons...ha ha!!
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Thanks for the maps by the way, the area is clearer in my mind now.
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This link should work for the Naturalisation records:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gaq/
Ian
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Doesn't look like our Oliver/Olof, pity!!
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Oh well.
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We can't win them all. I'm more than pleased with what you've given me!!!
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You must be sick of me now but...was there any mention of Alexanders profession in any of the records?
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You must be sick of me now
HaHa... nearly. No not at all. Just ask away.
He was recorded as a "hemmansegare" in other words he was a farmer who owned his own land. He was not a Master Mariner unfortunately. I have helped other members with their "Master Mariners" in the past and I have never seen it to be true. It seems as though the son wants to lift their father's status a little. I think I would have done it myself as it looks better on the certificate.
Ian
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So that means his second marriage certificate had the correct information on. Correct mothers name and correct profession of his father.
I love the fact Alexanders surname was Wingard meaning winery, just up my street!!!
I wonder what he farmed?
Thanks once again.
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I have found a great tree of the whole of the Wingårds family going back to 1510. There is a book somewhere on this family here in Sweden.....
http://gw.geneanet.org/ellpe?lang=sv;pz=lars+peter;nz=andreasson;ocz=1;p=olof+august;n=wingard
Ian
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This priest is in the tree who is a ggg uncle of Alexander....
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Wing%C3%A5rd
Ian
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Just got back online with Ancestry and found Oliver's DoB 17 Feb 1845. Pity that the original books aren't still around, it would have been nice to see the record.
Ian
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Whoa i didn't expect to see all this!! I must of missed his birth record on Ancestry, i have a world membership. What name was it under?
I know what i will be doing the rest of this evening.
Thank you thank you thank you😊
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It is in the "UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927" records. There are 4 of them. It's the one with Port of Issue: Greenock on the 3rd page.
Ian
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I didn't spot that one. His first certificate had a different date if i remember correctly, the one on which he is named as Olof!
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Have you seen the other 4 Master and Mates records for Oliver Anderson. They give addresses etc. The Olof record has a different DoB... 25 March 1844.
You will have to read all the pages as sometimes there are a few of them, even going backwards sometimes.
Ian
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I didn't spot that one. His first certificate had a different date if i remember correctly, the one on which he is named as Olof!
Ha.. Just read your post again. Yes they have different dates but this one was issued in London so probably not your man.
Ian
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I think you are right, different men from the same area! It does make interesting reading!!
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Hi very interested in Oliver Anderson master mariner who married first Elizabeth Stewart and later after her death married her sister Margaret. Oliver and Margaret are my 3x grt grandparents. Look forward to hearing from you soon. Happy to share my line with you. Many thanks
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Hi Linda and welcome to RootsChat.
I have dug up these records for you, the ones Jax49 has. The first 5 books have been reconstructed as the originals were destroyed in a fire in 1904.
1860
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01muk/
1870
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mul/
1880
Olof (Oliver) and family:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mum/
1890
Olof's father at top of page and his brother on the previous page at the bottom:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mun/
Olof in the missing persons book:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01muo/
1912
Otto Albin's family (Olof's brother):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mup/
Ian
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Thank you so much it really is appreciated your an absolute star.
Are you connected to the family in any way?
All the best
Linda
Message from Linda for you Ian.
To reply to your topics on RootsChat you need to log in and click on the blue reply button Linda ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks Sarah.
Hi Linda
You're welcome. No I am not related or connected.
You can't unfortunately go back further but you can go forwards if you want by following for example Otto Albin.
If you want help I can do that too.
Ian