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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: Kerrill on Wednesday 21 October 15 14:12 BST (UK)
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Hi, hope someone can come to my rescue, I have a Ann Burrows giving birth to a child in 1840 the father Francis Morrison Egworthstown Longford, then she gives birth to another child 1842 fathers name Thomas Morrison Egworthstown Longford, in 1845 she has another child, father Francis Morrison Egworthstown Longford. When Ann died her daughter Catherine witnessed her death on the cert it gives Francis as husband to Ann >:(
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You don't mention whether you have seen the original birth documents for the children. If on a transcribed entry could possibly be a transcription error :-\
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Thanks very much for your reply,Have not got the original certs but seems a far way from Thomas to Francis, on the 1861 Engish census records I have Ann living and married to Francis but no mention of Thomas.The strange thing is that some years later the name Thomas Morrison starts to appear in the family tree (along with Francis and James).
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Wow, going to have your work cut out trying to sort that one out. ???
Brothers maybe, some sort of "Mormon" type of marriage setup
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They were Roman Catholics, I am toying with the idea that Thomas was his middle name, but have not come across the likes before :-\
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You did say where you got the record but if it was from this http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/9/mode/1up
I wouldn't be surprised at errors, I didn't even try to read it.
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Thomas and Francis are often mis-transcribed as each other
I have also found that in transcriptions the sponsors name is inadvertently written as the parent or visa versa; the sponsor given for Catherine in a transcription is Thomas Green
I had a look at the NLI and the old saying "spider let loose from an inkwell comes to mind"!
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Thanks very much to the both of you, I can now understand how it could have been misread.
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If you look at the shape of the words 'Thomas' and 'Francis' they are very similar and do get confused (especially if a record is difficult to read). Try this test and you'll probably see what I mean- write the two names on a piece of paper one under the other then turn the paper upside down ;)
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If you are lucky the give away between the two is a dot on the i in Francis
but that's not always there
Also remember the F was shaped in the opposite direction
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And I thought I was a bit of a expert on this subject :-\ clearly I have a lot of catching up to do.
Thanks to you both ;D
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20 April 1843 (not 1842), right page, 10th entry down, Catherine Morrison:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/19/mode/1up
Edited to add: Must admit, looks like Thomas rather than Francis to me.
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Just posting the originals so that everyone can make their mind up, the quality isn't that bad if you zoom in sufficiently. Catherine's sibling Edward Morrison was baptised on 22 April 1840, left page, 6th entry down from top of page (father looks like Francis to me):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/11/mode/1up
Sibling Patrick Morrison's baptism was on 5 August 1845, right page, 8th entry down from top of page (father looks like Francis to me):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/27/mode/1up
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Just posting the originals so that everyone can make their mind up, the quality isn't that bad if you zoom in sufficiently. Catherine's sibling Edward Morrison was baptised on 22 April 1840, left page, 6th entry down from top of page (father looks like Francis to me):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/11/mode/1up
Sibling Patrick Morrison's baptism was on 5 August 1845, right page, 8th entry down from top of page (father looks like Francis to me):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632414#page/27/mode/1up
Francis.... in Latin!
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They were Roman Catholics, I am toying with the idea that Thomas was his middle name, but have not come across the likes before :-\
I'm not sure what you mean by this, could he not have been Thomas Francis or Francis Thomas?
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Yes I can see what you mean now (Thomas does look like Francis) . When I said I had not come ac cross this before I meant most of the old BMDs only give the one name, thanks again everyone. I have five children for Ann and Francis but cannot find the birth or baptism of James as for Edward and Patrick I think they must have died young as when the family moved to England around 1850 but no trace of them since there baptisms.