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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: BMLay on Sunday 25 October 15 11:31 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on Michael Kelly born about 1880. Married Mary Anne Sweeney in 1907. Murdered her in 1915 and sent to Mountjoy Prison leaving behind 5 children.
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Not surre what sort of information you are looking for on Michael but does their marriage certificate not list his father's name and occupation? I can;t see the couple in the 1911 census in either Kilcock townland or D.E.D.- was that an earlier or later address?
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There is an article about the murder in the Kildare Observer, his father died on the Thursday night before he appeared in court.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
Michael was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers.
He had two sister in law's called Anne Sweeney.
I haven't read it all.
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Had a chance to read through it.
Bits and pieces from it.
He served in France.
He was in Cork arriving home on the 11 Aug.
Her mother was Mary Sweeney one of the Anne Sweeney's was her sister, so she must have had a brother for the other Anne Sweeney to be a sister in law also.
His wife had a baby about 3 weeks before he came home.
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In another article the Rural District Council for Celbridge sent a letter for mercy, saying his was weak minded and had attempted at an earlier time to commit suicide.
His death sentence was commuted to penal servitude for life.
he was a private in the 2nd Battn. RDF
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One of the Anne Sweeney's lived at Courtown so this looks good for Mary's family in 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Kilcock/Courtown_Road/540195/
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Looks like them in 1901 but the occupation of the father doesn't quite fit
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Gallow/Ardrums_Great/1621905/
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Pte M Kelly RDF 6589 is referenced here - LINK (http://www.royaldublinfusiliers.com/medals/boer-war/qsa/)
as entitled to receive the Queen's South Africa Medal
This implies he served in SA from Oct 1899 to May 1902
so most likely won't be on an Irish or UK census
Reg#6589 is on his on his prision records
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1. Michael b. Jul 11 1907
2. Patrick b. Nov 05 1908
3. John b. Jun 26 1910
4. Daniel b. Aug 20 1912
5. Mary b. Apr 22 1914
LINK to civil birth references (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=kelly&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=1903&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=1915&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&ddPto=&mmPto=&yyPto=&locationB=Celbridge&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=sweeney&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Celbridge&submit=Search)
Family at 17 Parsons Street, Maynooth in 1911 (address matches prison records) – LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Maynooth/Parsons_Street/540808/)
They state that they are 5 years married which implies 1906 but I don't see a marriage record
Civil Record - link (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/e4585b6744450) Celbridge 1907 Q3 V2 P425
If you have access to the marriage record - the father's names would help locate births etc.
edited to add
Looking at amendments to 1911 census I wonder was Patrick and/or Mary married twice?
There are baptisms in Summerhill for parents Patrick SWEENEY & Mary HEALY of
Mary May 22 1887
Catherine Sep 21 1889
and then for parents Patrick SWEENEY & Mary GAFFNEY of
Bridget Sep 04 1892
Annie Feb 24 1895
Alice Nov 13 1898
Marriage record Patrick Sweeney & Mary HEALEY in 1887 (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/cc22cb7194451)
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I was in the middle of writing when work got busy so I lost the article I was looking at so from memory.
Fr. Kirwin PP was recommending grandmother Mrs Sweeney to care for children of late Michael Kelly, to Celbridge Union. Year was 1918.
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Michael Kelly's army records are available on a paid site
He enlisted in Jan 1899 as 18 years and 3 months old
This implies he was born in c Nov 1880
His father was Michael; he had an older brother Daniel and a younger brother John
He married Mary Ann SWEENEY 11.07.1907 (conflicts slightly with civil record)
WItnesses John KELLY & Josephine HIGGINS
His children are as I've previously stated plus Peter b. Jun 27 1915
This ties in with Sinann's post "His wife had a baby about 3 weeks before he came home"
There is noted reference to the murder, his civil arrest and subsequent penal servitude sentence
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Found another article.
It appears the two youngest children went to Anne Sweeney but an inspector found her house unsuitable and wanted to put them in the workhouse, the Union thought this was a bad idea (two expensive) and decided to increase the pay for fostering young children, as young children were no use to foster parents as they couldn't work.
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Opps the Fr Kirwin one was 1916.
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His Marriage Certificate says he was married July 9th 1907 that he was a labourer. He lists his father as Peter Kelly also a Labourer. This doesn't match his war or prison records where he states his father is Michael/Michl Kelly.
I have found all the newspaper articles about the murder and the Celbridge Union.
I have also located the Census records for the Sweeneys.
I guess I am most interested in what has happened to all the children but I guess that will have to wait for the next census.
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If his father was Peter rather than Michael there are births to Peter KELLY and Jane DOLAN/DOOLAN in Kilcock that could be his family
Daniel bap. Feb 08 1880
Michael bap. Nov 27 1881
Thomas bap. Dec 06 1884 d. possibly 1885 looking at civil records
Bridget Ann bap. Dec 16 1885
John bap. Jun 02 1888
Possibility for Peter and son John on 1901 census - LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Kilcock/Kilcock_Town/1437538/)
Jane possibly died in 1891 - LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/76630a14283875)
Also if reference to his father dying just before the murder is correct
Civil Death Record Peter KELLY Celbridge 1915 Q3 V2 P275 - LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/3d4aae15042789)
Following up on the children with such common names could be difficult if they moved tp foster parents or an orphanage
One approach could be to hope if they married that their baptism records would show that
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http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/olive/apa/KCL.Edu/#panel=search&search=1
Hope you find something here, Its from the kildare observer !880 to 1935.
best wishes,
Cyril Walsh.
If you can let me know if it was of any help.
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Could this be one of the Kelly children’s death - Daniel Kelly death 15th July 1913, aged 11 months. Parents Michael Kelly and Mary Anne Kelly?.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05327/4482870.pdf
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August 1915 Mary Kelly age 27 Kilcock at Maynooth soldiers wife, drowning, unable to state whether accidental or intentional
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05266/4461462.pdf
next death below Mary is for a Peter 20th August
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Michael Kelly and Mary Anne Sweeney marriage 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10098/5673987.pdf
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married 5 yrs 3 children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Maynooth/Parsons_Street/540808/
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Thanks to BMLay’s research, I’ve added some information, hoping the excellent roots chat will have some hints for a marriage, as I’ve searched Irish and Scottish records to no avail.
Looking for a marriage of Michael Kelly to Mary Lineham or Williams.
Michael Kelly Snr came to Scotland and died in Glasgow 23rd March 1937, aged 55 years, states first married to Mary Sweeney, second to Mary Williamson or Williams.
BMLay’s research his second wife was Mary Lineham, first married to Patrick Williams. Marriage 1910 in Cork, spelling Leneham. Patrick Williams dies 1916 Cork.
Michael b. Jul 11 1907
2. Patrick b. Nov 05 1908 - died Renfrewshire, Scotland December 1966
3. John b. Jun 26 1910 - died Glasgow, Scotland December 1952
4. Daniel b. Aug 20 1912 - died 1913
5. Mary b. Apr 22 1914 - died 1977
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There was another child born to Michael KELLY & Mary SWEENEY
Peter on Jun 27 1915 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01368/1564060a.pdf)
At this time Michael was in the army Private in RDF (Royal Dublin Fusiliers) Regt #6589
There is an extensive army record available for him
It names Mary Anne SWEENEY as his spouse and lists his six children
He was discharged from the army in August 1915
There may be more investigation needed here to ensure the Michael KELLY in Scotland in 1937 is the same person due to the reason for his discharge.
All newspaper cuttings at that time refer to the family having four children
Also Patrick WILLIAMS m Mary LINEHAN/LENEHAN on Jun 26 1909
They had three children at least
Thomas Francis b Sep 11 1910
Daniel Joseph b Nov 07 1912
Mary Ellen b May 19 1916
I cannot see a marriage for Michael KELLY & MARY WILLIAMS formerly LINEHAN/LENEHAN
This would I expect have taken place after Oct 1916 when Peter WILLIAMS died
Prison records could indicate when he was released and if they had children this could narrow the time period in which they married.
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Hi
Thanks for your information.
Michael was released in 1919, he was to go back to the front line as they were running low on soldiers. The war ended a month after his pardon and he didn't actually see active duty.
He was arrested in Cork in 1919 for stealing a sheet of iron, here it lists his next of kin as his wife, Mary.
The next entry I can find for him is on his son (Michael Keiran Kelly) registration form for the Tank Corp in Scotland in 1922 listing his next of kin as his father Michael, residence as Glasgow, Scotland.
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Can anyone give me a link to be able to access the prison records for Michael Kelly of Kilcock. Spouse was Mary Anne Sweeney. Are there any photographs in existence?.
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His Marriage Certificate says he was married July 9th 1907 that he was a labourer. He lists his father as Peter Kelly also a Labourer. This doesn't match his war or prison records where he states his father is Michael/Michl Kelly.
I have found all the newspaper articles about the murder and the Celbridge Union.
I have also located the Census records for the Sweeneys.
I guess I am most interested in what has happened to all the children but I guess that will have to wait for the next census.
Can't find them in the Scottish 1921 census but the Children married in Scotland and Michael also remarried and had at least 1 more child. He married in Cork. Not 100% sure it's him but he's on the Scottish 1921 census.
Michael and Mary's daughter is living with Mary's sister My great grandmother Bridget Harris (Sweeney) in Barrhead Scotland.
Michael Death is in Scotland 1937