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Title: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Monday 26 October 15 22:41 GMT (UK)
I am trying to identify the vicar or perpetual curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in the mid to late C19
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 27 October 15 09:01 GMT (UK)
Welsh Newspapers Online is one rich source of information - I'd think that the Crockfords would help too and a few of those are on Ancestry now....
So far I have found:
1814 Alfred Barker
1833 William Lloyd
1841 Richard Pughe - Curate
1885 Arthur Wentworth Powell
1890 James Herbert Alexander Griffiths
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Tuesday 27 October 15 09:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you, without the names I struggle on the Census returns
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 27 October 15 09:45 GMT (UK)
The records for the parish are on FindMyPast, I have extracted the information below from the baptism records.

D Lewis curate to 30 May 1851.

Then to July 1855 Richard Pugh Perp. Curate (Presume Peripatetic)

From 20 July 1856 to may 6 1876 Edward  Poole ma vicar or incumbent

One baptism 1877 W W Vaughan officiating minister.

Then 1878 Thos Geo Cree.

From 1880 to 1884 Lewis Arthur Smith MA Vicar

Colin
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Tuesday 27 October 15 09:50 GMT (UK)
Is Edward Poole on the Census ?
Ancestry have locked me out !
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 27 October 15 09:58 GMT (UK)
1871
Edward   Poole   Head   64   1807   vicar   Cheshire, England
Mary A   Poole   Wife   38   1833   -   Herefordshire, England
Edward C   Poole   Son   8   1863   -   Radnorshire, Wales
Jane   Jones   Servant   20   1851   -   Radnorshire, Wales

EDWARD POOLE age 76 burial 30 July 1877 LLANFIHANGEL RHYDITHON

Colin
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: GrahamSimons on Tuesday 27 October 15 10:02 GMT (UK)
Perp Curate is Perpetual Curate - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_curate
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Tuesday 27 October 15 10:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you,  wonder if this was second wife or late marriage,  was he living in the vicarage ?

Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: ColC on Tuesday 27 October 15 11:01 GMT (UK)
1851 Alvaston, Shardlow, Derbyshire
Edward   Poole   Head   Unmarried   40   1811   Incumbent Of Alvaston & Bolton   Stanley Moor, Middlesex,
Henritta   Poole   Sister   Unmarried   46   1805   Landed Proprietor &c   Stanley Moor, Middlesex
Hannah   Poole   Sister   Unmarried   45   1806   Landed Proprietor &c   Stanley Moor, Middlesex,
Charles G   Anderson   Nephew   -   12   1839   Scholar At Home   East Indies


1861 Old Hall Inn, Tynyberth, Llanfihangel, Knighton, Radnorshire
Edwrd R   Pool   Lodger   Married   52   1809   Incumbent Of Llanfihangel & Llandenny...   Middlesex
Mary Ann   Pool   Lodger   Married   28   1833   -   Herefordshire

1871 Cwm Gaist Cottage, Llanfihangel Rhydithon, Knighton, Radnorshire

So it looks like a late marriage. Edward baptised their son at , Llanfihangel Rhydithon.

Colin
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Tuesday 27 October 15 15:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Monday 20 March 17 12:47 GMT (UK)
I am trying to trace back the Reverend Richard Pughe from his death in 1855, where was he living in 1841 and 1851, Llanfihangel Rhydithon or Llandewi in Radnorshire ? or Lampeter.  He seems to have come from Lampeter but did he study for the Church there ?
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: mazi on Thursday 23 March 17 22:04 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGD7-R2Q
This looks like him in 1851

Mike
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: GrahamSimons on Thursday 23 March 17 23:13 GMT (UK)
Lampeter wasn't founded until 1822, admitting its first students in 1827 - was this too late for Richard Pughe?
There are a couple of Richard Pughe records in Alumni Oxonienses who might be your man: if you know his age at death a cross-reference would be possible. Most likely one is Richard, son of Richard, clerk [= clerk in holy orders, so a family in the Church?], of Llanegryn, co Merioneth; matriculated March 1812, aged 19; Jesus College.

CCEDB has him appointed as Rector of Llanfihangel-yn-Gwynfa, with a BA degree, on 23rd July 1823. It says the Patron was the Bishop of St Asaph. The vacancy occurred because of the death of the previous Rector, James Hamer.
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Thursday 23 March 17 23:38 GMT (UK)
it looks from the census that he was born in 1810, and he appears to have come from the Machynlleth area, where the name Pughe with the e is still around today. He married Mary Evans there in 1837, and in 1841 when he was appointed perpetual curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon and Llandewi Ystradenny in Radnorshire it says he was coming from St David's Lampeter.
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: GrahamSimons on Thursday 23 March 17 23:42 GMT (UK)
Looks like I've found a different Rev Richard Pughe - why couldn't they all invest in unique middle names to help us?
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Friday 24 March 17 08:44 GMT (UK)
It does and the 'e' can be misleading.  But the announcement of his appointment said from St Davids  Lampeter, so that must be the college or its chapel after following you comments. Wher was he in 1841 I wonder?
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Dave Jones on Sunday 09 April 17 22:10 BST (UK)

Hereford Journal 5th December 1855
Clergyman Suspended In the Arches Court, on Thursday, the Rev Richard Pughe, incumbent of the perpetual curacy of Llanvihangel Rhydithon, Radnor, was suspended for five years from office and benefice, for drunkenness, fighting and profane swearing.

He died on 26th December 1855.
His wife had died on 1st January 1855.
Title: Re: Vicar/Curate of Llanfihangel Rhydithon in 1871
Post by: Puffcat on Sunday 09 April 17 22:30 BST (UK)
Yes, he was a naughty boy it seems, I wondered where he was in 1841, and where his 3 children were after the deaths of their parents.