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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Lesley9 on Saturday 31 October 15 00:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am new to this forum. I will not always be near a computer, so apologies in advance if I do not get back to you straight away. I am trying to locate my grandmother, as above. She was born in 1889 to Thomas and Amelia PINKSTONE. In 1904 she married Burton OR Bertram Reginald BOYES. She left the family home and disappeared without a trace. I would like to know what happened to her and when and where she died. My mother was Nona BOYES. She always wondered about what had happened to her mother. Sarah was a good pianist and every time she heard a piano she tried to find out if it was her mother playing. The only other information we have is that she had one leg shorter than the other. Regards Lesley
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Hi Lesley :)
Welcome to rootstchat :)
So we all understand your request.
It would appear he used both given names - Bertrand and Burton
Their marriage in NSW
6669/1904
PINKSTON Irene W
BOYES Burton R
District Kempsey
19560/1881
BOYES Bertrand Reginald
Father George Thomas Mother Anne
District Macleay River
Registers of Coroners' Inquests 1821-1937
BOYES Reginald Boyes 56 years
Born c1882 at Frederickton, New South Wales
Died c1938 at Conyarinni Road Near Macksville
Inquest 5 Feb 1938 at Macksville
Verdict - Asphyxia accidentally caused by falling from a lorry while in motion.
Grave Location
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ge1/
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article173119216
The Macleay Chonicle 26 Jan 1938
MACKSVILLE FATALITY.
Mr. Bert Boyes, son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Boyes, of Kempsey, fell from a motor truck on the Congarinni road, near Macksville, Monday evening, and was killed instantly.
Deceased, aged 56 years, was well known and respected in this district, and much sympathy is extended his wife and family in their sad bereavement
Births to Burton R and Irene W
24088/1905
BOYES Dorothey A At Kempsey
25181/1907
BOYES Nona A At Kempsey
15816/1909
BOYES Pearl I At Macksville
29126/1911
BOYES Violet M At Kempsey
30774/1912
BOYES Reginald N At Macksveille
52506/1913
BOYES Unnamed Male At Macksville
Cando
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Hi Lesley,
Welcome to rootschat from me too :)
Here is a missing friend's notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article169095384
Mrs. Irene Warrell Boyes, who left Macksville, N.S.W. about 18 years ago, believed
to be in Sydney. Daughter Inquiring.
It seems she was known as Irene?
regards
Ros
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Tweed Daily 16June1948 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/195094082
Public Notices
Will Irene Warrell Boyes who is holidaying in Murwillumbah contact her daughter Mrs. Percy of Bangalow.
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This suggests Irene passed away in 1957, at age 72.
Irene Warrell Boyes (born Pinkstone), 1884 - 1957
http://www.myheritage.com/names/irene_boyes
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I just found a death recorded on NSMBDM for Irene BOYES in 1951 - father's name was "34 years ....."
I must be going nuts as now that record is missing ???
This suggests Irene passed away in 1957, at age 72.
Irene Warrell Boyes (born Pinkstone), 1884 - 1957
http://www.myheritage.com/names/irene_boyes
Interestingly one of the records on "myheritage" have the incorrect year of birth - possibly the year of death has not been verified either
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...She was born in 1889 to Thomas and Amelia PINKSTONE. In 1904 she married Burton OR Bertram Reginald BOYES. Regards Lesley
She would have only been 15 years old at marriage?
Irene Warrell Boyes (born Pinkstone), 1884 - 1957
http://www.myheritage.com/names/irene_boyes
Was she born 1884 or 1889?
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Found that record I'd lost ;D
Ref: 15577/1951 BOYES Irene
Father's Name: 34 Yrs Sydney
District: Sydney
Have no idea if it could be the lady you're looking for but possibly TROVE may have something reported in 1951.
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I think it would be obvious if a woman was 34 years or in her 60's.
She may not have died with the surname BOYES.
This Irene born c1890
200/1957
JOHNSON Irene 67 years Darlinghurst
District Sydney
Obviously there was contact around 1948 if her daughter, Mrs PERCY knew Irene was holidaying at Murwillumbah .
Cando
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The I for Irene has been transcribed as a J
25616/1889
PINKSTONE Sarah J W
Father Thomas Mother Amelia
District Bowraville
Cando
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Yes you could be right Cando
I thought that the "34 years..." may have referred to her length of time spent living in Sydney - rather than her age :-\
There is a birth recorded as
25616/1889 PINKSTONE SARAH J W
Parents being Thomas and Amelia
Obviously the question remains - is Sarah's birth in 1889 the same lady reported as Irene BOYES in later documentation ???
edit - sorry - our posts crossed paths
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Hi Cando,
This is the correct birth.
"The I for Irene has been transcribed as a J
25616/1889
PINKSTONE Sarah J W
Father Thomas Mother Amelia
District Bowraville"
Regards, Jennaya
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There were no further births recorded to the BOYES couple after the 1913 Unnamed child who died in 1914
4292/1914 BOYES
MALE INFANT
Parents Burton R & IRENE W
At MACKSVILLE
Sarah Irene Warrell PINKSTONE (edit to correct spelling) had a number of siblings born in NSW.
(This notwithstanding the "heritage" website claim of 12 children)
Sue
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I think it is preferable to keep all information on the board and not share by pm. It's frustrating for those helping when information is not available to them.
Cheers
Cando
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Edited
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Marriage of the author of the newspaper notice. The eldest daughter of the BOYES couple.
10613/1923 PERCY John W
BOYES Dorothy A
At BELLINGEN
Sue
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Following the death recorded in 1951 for Irene BOYES who had lived in Sydney for 34 years
Sydney Morning Herald has the Funeral Notice
17 July 1951
BOYES - The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs Irene Boyes are kindly invited to attend her funeral, to leave our private chapel 604 Crown Street Sydney this morning at 9 o'clock for the Crematorium Eastern Suburbs - LABOR MOTOR FUNERALS Ltd
As no parents names are recorded on the death registration it may be worth following this up.
The 2 advert's in the Truth (10 July 1938) and Tweed Daily (19 June 1948) show that at least some members of the family believed she was still alive at least up until 1948.
The 1938 notice states that Irene had left Macksville ABOUT 18 years ago (ie sometime around 1920 +/-) Therefore she may have been living in Sydney for about 34 years as reported on that death record
... but then I may have it all mixed up :-\
Still would be interested in other people's thoughts on this option
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Eastern suburbs crematorium search shows age 34
http://www.esmp.net.au/search-map-facility/crematorium-search
Funeral date: 17/07/1951 Age: 34
I was hoping that this would be the correct one
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Following the death recorded in 1951 for Irene BOYES who had lived in Sydney for 34 years
Hi lady Di,
In my experience of NSW death records, I have not ever known the information in the column headed FATHER to be a record of how long the deceased was living anywhere.
I have usually seen it as "substitute" for lack of information about the father because it is not given on the full death certificate.
It is, I believe, the AGE of the deceased and place of death. In other words a help to identify the person from the index where full parental information is lacking.
Sue
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Thanks Jennaya and Sue for the information and link to confirm the age of Irene Boyes (1951).
It's a shame as this record seemed to fit the brief but at least it can be ruled out now.
Cheers
Di
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Hi Cando,
This is the correct birth.
"The I for Irene has been transcribed as a J
25616/1889
PINKSTONE Sarah J W
Father Thomas Mother Amelia
District Bowraville"
Regards, Jennaya
This post has been edited and information removed which included speaking to the OP and sending me a PM. Makes my post about PM's look a bit silly.
Cando
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Hi Lesley,
Did you know the sisters of Nona BOYES?
Violet Maude (KANE) -b 1911 and Dorothy Amelia (PERCY) b 1905?
Are there children of these women who may have information?
Sue
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Hi Cando,
This is the correct birth.
"The I for Irene has been transcribed as a J
25616/1889
PINKSTONE Sarah J W
Father Thomas Mother Amelia
District Bowraville"
Regards, Jennaya
This post has been edited and information removed which included speaking to the OP and sending me a PM. Makes my post about PM's look a bit silly.
Cando
Hi Cando
Just working on memory here ;D
But I think Reply #11 said a PM would be coming your way following some sort of contact with the OP and I think #14 said it was of a "personal" or perhaps "sensitive" nature.
I think we can still follow the main line of the thread though. ;D
Sue
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Hi,
My Grandmother Violet Maude Boyes (sister of Nona) searched her whole life as well for her mother 'Warrell' and my mother. Another daughter of Warrell, my Aunty Dolly (Dorothy) also searched her whole life and obviously Aunty Nona as well. I grew up with all the stories and I suspect she never made it to Sydney.
The letter Aunty Dolly put in the paper asking Irene Warrell to contact her was because someone had thought they saw her in Murwillumbah and the gossip traveled to Aunty Dolly. I spent some time with Aunty Dolly as a child.
Sarah Irene Warrell (went by the name Warrell) Pinkstone, was my great grandmother and she was born in Warrell Creek, NSW. (near Macksville and Nambucca Heads ).
It's quite the mystery because she wrote a farewell letter, which I read about 40 years ago - saying she's was leaving because of the untrue gossip (was it really her who wrote the letter?) we may never know. It did say that if anyone wanted to contact her to put it into the Sydney paper on the first of the month and she would read it. I met her sister in law (supposedly her best friend) when I was young with my mother and grandmother. Her sister in law refused to discuss her other than Warrell first asked the taxi diver to take her to the train station and then asked the taxi driver to take her back to her children (that she couldn't leave her babies)... and then we were told our visit was over because she didn't want to talk about her anymore ...hmm... but Warrell was never seen again so how could she know that she asked the taxi to take her back? As horrible as it seems, I truly suspect my great grandmother was murdered, quite possibly very close to her home. We need to look into cold cases with the police in the area where they lived. The children were sent to grow up in the convent after she disappeared.
Jo-Anne
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Hello, I hope this thread is still going.
I am trying to find the relations of "Queenie" Pinkstone from Warrell Creek and later Eungai/ Eungai rail.
From what I can gather she was an aunt or cousin of my father. I had met her as a young kid when I visited my grandparents who had the post office and store in Warrell creek.
Any information would be appreciated.
thanks
Graeme
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
Australia