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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: familyroutes on Sunday 01 November 15 12:56 GMT (UK)
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I have a civil birth record from IFHF for George Mullan born 16 Feb 1865, giving his address as Coolnaserran Garvagh. I haven't been able to find this townland and haven't found the record in the Errigal parish records. These particular records, online in NLI, don't appear to be original as they are all in the same handwriting. Does anyone know where Coolnaserran is?
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Coolnashillagh ;)
Only other townland in Errigal Parish that begins with 'cool' is Coolcoscreghan
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Not listed here..
http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100011&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
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I find it easier to use Suan Ruad townlands database most of the time (website address may be changing)-
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
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Thanks aghadowey and hallmark. I thought if I could find the parish record I'd be able to read the original.I think some entries might be missing...there are no births registered between Dec 18th 1864 and March 8th 1865 http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633042#page/23/mode/1up
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Thanks aghadowey and hallmark. I thought if I could find the parish record I'd be able to read the original.I think some entries might be missing...there are no births registered between Dec 18th 1864 and March 8th 1865 http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633042#page/23/mode/1up
No problem, always frustrating when a gap of a few weeks covers possible dates for what one is looking for!
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Possibly due to change of clergy note priests' names-
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633042#page/53/mode/1up
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Aha! that would explain it. There mustn't have been a priest in the parish for a few weeks. So George must have been baptised somewhere else as they wouldn't have waited that long to baptise him. Thanks aghadowey. Just noticed there is a Coolnasillagh in Errigal...that's a possibility too.
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Coolnashillagh is same as Coolnasillagh ;)
He may still have been baptised there but the entries didn't get written in the register.
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Aha! that would explain it. There mustn't have been a priest in the parish for a few weeks. So George must have been baptised somewhere else as they wouldn't have waited that long to baptise him. Thanks aghadowey. Just noticed there is a Coolnasillagh in Errigal...that's a possibility too.
Two townlands of Coolnasillagh listed here.. Different Parishes!!
http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100011&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
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The missing months apart, have you checked the registers for any other occurrence of "Coolnaserran" as an address?
http://maps.ehsni.gov.uk/Mapviewer/Default.aspx
I've had a look at Garvargh on the 1829 and 1857-1832 maps - cannot see a "Coolnaserran" - but one or two beginning "Cool....." in the locale.
Have checked Irish newspapers on line - no instance of "Coolnaserran"
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He may still have been baptised there but the entries didn't get written in the register.
Familysearch has him as Mullon...he is actually O'Mullan. baptised in Garvagh..so,yes,he must have been baptised there.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5PB-QR7
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Thanks hanes teulu..yes I've googled and checked but, like you, I can't find an exact match. I was hoping to find the births of some other older siblings by narrowing down the townland. The younger ones were baptised in Dungiven.
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Familysearch has him as Mullon...he is actually O'Mullan. baptised in Garvagh..so,yes,he must have been baptised there.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5PB-QR7
That's an extracted birth record not a baptism. The '0478' refers to an entry on page 478 of the civil registration. It's more likely that the surname is really Mullan in the register but has been misread.
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Two townlands of Coolnasillagh listed here.. Different Parishes!!
http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100011&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
It's the 1st one in Errigal Parish (OP did mention Errigal and the start of this thread and birth registration is Garvagh sub-district).
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George's sister,my grandmother and her father are variously noted as O'Mullan, Mullan and Mullin on her marriage cert!!! They're definitely O'Mullan but the 'O' was dropped willy-nilly!
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Two townlands of Coolnasillagh listed here.. Different Parishes!!
http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100011&cat=BF&pag=-1&ord=ga
That map shows the location of Coolnasillagh as southeast of Garvagh off the Carhill Road but it's actually in the opposite direction northwest of Garvagh!
http://www.billmacafee.com/derryancestors/coolnasillagh/coolnasillagh.htm
Sometimes it's hard to beat local knowledge. It's a lovely afternoon and I could actually walk there in a short time ;D
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Have checked the baptismal registers for any occurrence of "Coolnaserran". Couldn't find another occurrence. Plenty of entries under "Domicilium" for "Coolcoskeran" - presumably "Coolcoscreaghan"?
Noticed the "Domicilium" is not recorded in the registers after May 1860.
What would have been the source for the address on the civil record?
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Getting a bit fed up with all the guesswork and false information so I decided to look up the actual certificate with my remaining 5 credits to see what is written. IHFH certainly have some explaining to do :-\
The townland is writen as Coolcoscran [Coolcoscreagh] not Coolnaserran (which would have indicated Coolnasillagh). However, that does not seem to be where the family lived. The transcript doesn't seem to list the father's residence being Ashlenaduff [Ashlamaduff]- in these cases it's a case of the child being born somewhere other than home so perhaps Elizabeth (O'Kane) Mullan went to have the baby at her mother's house or something. The father Jeremiah Mullan, a farmer, registered the birth 27 Feb. with the Garvagh registrar S. McIlroy [Dr. Solomon McIlory].
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Thanks for that aghadowey...above and beyond the call of duty! The family home was at Ashlamaduff(Eslin). Griffiths has a few O'Kanes listed...will do a bit of searching in the valuation books to see if I can figure out if Elizabeth was related to any of them.
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There is a Manus O'Kane listed in Coolcoscreaghan Errigal in the 1st two valuation books.I know that Elizabeth (Dunany) O'Kane had a brother called Manus...could be the answer??? There weren't too many Manus O'Kanes...relatively speaking!
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Agadhowey,
many thanks for identifying "Coolcoscran" - the "Coolcoskeran" in the Registers?
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Thanks all. Had a nice afternoon!
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The Ulsterman, 8 Dec 1858
Married - On the 21st instant**, at the Catholic Church, Galvan, Parish of Dungevin, by the Rev. D. M'Feely, C.C, Mr Jeremiah Mullen, Aslamaduff, to Elizabeth, seventh daughter of the late Mr Daniel O'Kane, Formal
** - think it should be "ult", not "inst".
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Great find :)
Formal should be Formil. This map shows the townlands of Formil and Coolcoscreaghan in relation to Ashlamaduff-
http://www.townlands.ie/derry/ashlamaduff/
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Thanks hanes teulu. Yes, these are my great grandparents. Family legend has it that there were 7 "Dunany" O'Kane daughters. So far I have found Mary,Catherine,Margaret,Ellen,Elizabeth and,possibly Ann.
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Great find :)
Formal should be Formil.
Copied as appeared in newspaper.
On 17 Sep 1878, Maggie, 2nd daughter of Jeremiah Mullan, Formoil (sic), Dungevin, married John O'Kane, Commercial Hotel, Garvargh at the Roman Catholic Church, Dungevin
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Yes, newspaper spelling not great there. Galvan is Gelvin :)
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There's some more on the subject here:http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=669936.msg5524907#msg5524907
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Re James "Dunany" O'Kane
Derry Journal 26 Jan 1903
"The death was recently announced of old James O'Kane,known in his district as "The King of Formil" He died at a ripe old age. Formil is a peculiarly situated townland,near the summit of the mountains between Garvagh and Dungiven. Though it is enclosed between the parishes of Dungiven and Errigal,it belongs to neither of these but to the parish of Bovevagh,from the mass of which, it is separated by the entire breath of the parish if Dungiven. It is also peculiar in having a reighing house and monarch of its own. The kingship devolves,it is stated,upon deceased nephew (Daniel O'Kane) but it is undrstood that there is a rival claimant to the throne"
Daniel obviously saw off any claimant because he was known as the King of Formil for the rest of his life!
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There are some interesting snippets in the paper - I liked the one involving Jeremiah Mullan in the Coleraine Chronicle, 3 June 1871.
(Browsing the area on the old Irish maps brought back memories of a work related trip to Coleraine some 20 years ago and staying in Portrush).
Best of luck with the search
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There's more about Jeremiah O'Mullan on the Who Do You Think You Are? programme featuring Mark Gatiss...it can be viewed on youtube
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There are some interesting snippets in the paper - I liked the one involving Jeremiah Mullan in the Coleraine Chronicle, 3 June 1871.
Hope that's not my Jeremiah!!
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There are some interesting snippets in the paper - I liked the one involving Jeremiah Mullan in the Coleraine Chronicle, 3 June 1871.
Does it give a townland? (I'm interested in a Jeremiah Mullan but not the one belonging to Family Routes)
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Jeremiah was walking up the street in Garvaghwith a "John Kane"!!