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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: bobtonks on Wednesday 04 November 15 12:22 GMT (UK)
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FindMyPast has a marriage record for a Richard Sumpter and Mary Trust. 12th August 1787 Stoke Damerel.
Can anyone see a connection between 'this' Richard Sumpter and Histon in Cambridgeshire?
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The original notes that they were both otp, no marital status for Richard but Mary noted as spinster. Both signed Mary surname was Trist. Elizabeth Trist one of the witnesses also signed.
Richard was a house carpenter.
It looks more likely that Richard & Mary were both born in Devon.
Colin
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Colin
Thank you for the information. I have to agree with you that this 'Richard Sumpter' was probably born, and certainly lived in Devon.
The Richard Sumpter born in Histon was Lord of the Manor there after his father died. There is no record locally (as far as I can tell) of him having a wife and children. (or being a carpenter)
Thanks again for your help.
Bob
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Plus there is a death for a 75 year old Richard SUMPTER at Stoke Damerel 6 May 1838, abode Portland Place. There were 3 burials for young SUMPTER children there in 1799 - Mary 4, Joseph 5 & Richard 2. Another son appears to have been born in 1799 (not baptised until 1812) and was buried there in 1848 - abode also Portland Place (occ Shipwright).
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A History of the County of Cambridge and Ely, 1989
"Church of St Andrew - the north transept used as a schoolroom in 1836, had been partitioned off as a vestry by 1843, while the south transept was used for burials of the Archer and Sumpter** families, Lords of the Histon manor".
** Mon(umental) Inscr(iptions) Cambs
Monumental Inscriptions are available at Cambridge Records Office. Might they contain any mention of Richard, died 1817 and possible family.
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DOB7 Thank you; although I was reasonably sure, your info confirms that the 'Histon" Richard did not marry Eliz Trist.
hanes t. There's tons of info about the Archers and Sumpters in local records; it just seemed unusual that Richard didn't marry.
Thanks again for your help
Bob
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I don't know who did the dirty, but a Richard Sumpter had an illegitimate child with Anne Edwards. There were bastardy bonds in 1813 and 1816 for him to maintain the child. I can only assume it's the same chap and he's paying for his misdeeds and not just offering to pay for somebody else's child (which sometimes happens).
Maybe he was just a player :)
Source: Histon Parish Church Overseer/Bastardy Records, to find out more about whose child it was.
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SOPHIA Edwards Christened 31 October 1813, Histon, Cambridge, England
Mother ANN Edwards
A Sophia EDWARDS Married Charles MARSH, 29 January 1833
Histon, Cambridgeshire
Possible Marriage for ANN Edwards to James ROOK, 10 September 1822, Histon
Ooh looks like Ann had a few more illegitimate Children;
LYDIA Edwards, 22 October 1815
SUMPTER Edwards, 5 April 1818
Lydia has a Child EMILY Christened 10 Aug 1845
1851 Census Emily Garner Edwards is a Neice of Charles/Sophia MARSH. She is with them 1861 also.
1851 Census Ann ROOK is born c 1791 Histon.
ANN Edwards was Christened 5 July 1791, Histon to THOMAS/MARY
All on Familysearch.Org
Trish :)
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Name: Sumpter Edwards
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1818
Burial Date: 5 Jul 1840 Histon
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Trish
Thanks. I think you are correct. There were, it would appear, dastardly deeds going on in Histon.
Richard Sumpter was straight out of a Trollope'esq novel. What a CAD.!!
After inheriting Histon Manor in 1806, (against his father's wishes, I believe) he set about selling much of the Histon estate...... 300 Acres up for sale within 6 months of his father's death.
Sophia Edwards 1813. (Possibly named after Richard's sister in law, also Sophia), Lydia 1815, I,ve no idea, but Sumpter Edwards is a bit of a giveaway, although as Richard died September 1817, I guess he never saw his son. Sumpter died in 1840. (Annoying when they don't make the census.)
I have a copy of the 1813 Bond. I'm not sure I understand it all, but £40 was the payment.
Let me know if you would like a copy. The 1816 Bond said much the same but was very difficult to read.
Thank you again for all the info.
Bob