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Title: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Thursday 05 November 15 12:04 GMT (UK)


Hello I'm  posting this message because i am hoping that someone may have information on a John Murphy from Castle Gardens Kilkenny Ireland.
I have only just discovered  him through his brother James Murphy  probate and will ,dated 1908. It read that John was from Kilkenny

It seems to me that John Murphy remained  in Ireland while his family immigrated to Melbourne  Australia possibly in
1850. Don't  know whether he had family or when he died.

The family consisted of Patrick Murphy,his wife  Margaret Murphy nee O'Keefe  born 1803 castle gardens Kilkenny Ireland died Melbourne  1887. Children James ,Mary, Bridget, Annie ,Ellen and of cause John who remained in Ireland
IT seems that i am the only person researching this family.
Thanks Claire
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 05 November 15 12:46 GMT (UK)
Just see if I'm reading this correctly.
James Murphy died in Australia naming a brother John in Ireland in his will.

An approx date of the birth for James and his siblings would help.
Were they all born in Ireland?
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: myluck! on Thursday 05 November 15 13:39 GMT (UK)
Patrick MURPHY of Grague m Margaret KEEF of Castlegarden on Feb 29 1824 - LINK to NLI Church register (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964#page/178/mode/1up)

Baptised children were (records on same link for first four, www.nli.ie)
Oct 04 1826 Bridget
Jul 05 1829 Mary
Jun 04 1832 John
Jun 09 1834 James
Sep 19 1837 Anty (which I think maybe Anastatia which could be Annie)
Apr 02 1841 Ellen

Assuming John was still alive at the 1901 census and in Ireland
This is a link to the John MURPHYs listed as born in Kilkenny aged 70 +/- 5 years - LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=murphy&exact=&firstname=john&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=70&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=Kilkenny&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100)

As this is a common name he may prove difficult to find
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Friday 06 November 15 04:45 GMT (UK)
Patrick MURPHY of Grague m Margaret KEEF of Castlegarden on Feb 29 1824 - LINK to NLI Church register (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964#page/178/mode/1up)

Baptised children were (records on same link for first four, www.nli.ie)
Oct 04 1826 Bridget
Jul 05 1829 Mary
Jun 04 1832 John
Jun 09 1834 James
Sep 19 1837 Anty (which I think maybe Anastatia which could be Annie)
Apr 02 1841 Ellen

Assuming John was still alive at the 1901 census and in Ireland
This is a link to the John MURPHYs listed as born in Kilkenny aged 70 +/- 5 years - LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=murphy&exact=&firstname=john&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=70&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=Kilkenny&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=townlandSort&pageSize=100)

As this is a common name he may prove difficult to find


Thanks myluck for your help. Yes sounds close to my Murphys. This information will be a break through for me.

My Margaret Murphy  was born 1803 castle gardens Kilkenny. died 19.5.1887 Melbourne .Australia

Patrick ,husband don't  know.

Children.Bridget Murphy . Married Charles Mac duff. b 1826 castle gardens Kilkenny Ireland.  Died 1882 Brisbane Queensland Australia

now for Mary Murphy  unmarried have her born 1836 castle gardens Kilkenny Ireland.  Died 1.7.1887  Melbourne. aged 40

John Murphy .Kilkenny Ireland

James MURPHY born 1835 Castlegardens  kilkenny Ireland, not married. Died 22.3.1908 Melbourne Vic

Annie Murphy .born 1841 castle gardens kilkenny ireland, Married William Crowe. Died 26.6.1886. Epping vic

Ellen Murphy. my g grandmother. Born 1841 or 42. Castle gardens kilkenny Ireland. Married  a John Knox. Died 1917 Melbourne vic.
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Friday 06 November 15 04:53 GMT (UK)
Just see if I'm reading this correctly.
James Murphy died in Australia naming a brother John in Ireland in his will.

An approx date of the birth for James and his siblings would help.
Were they all born in Ireland?

Yes sinann. James died in Australia 22.3.1908

 John named in  james Will. John murphy seems to have still been residing  in castle gardens kilkenny that year.

the other childrens birth dates are in the post i sent to my luck. They were all born in ireland

Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Friday 06 November 15 08:59 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Kilfane/Castlegarden/531740/

 census links  John Murphy  in Castlegarden.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Kilfane/Castlegarden/1455142/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Kilfane/Castlegarden/531737/



http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1032    Thomastown RC Parish registers
Using dates given by Myluck
Baptism Ellen Murphy Apr 2nd 1841 link (left hand side)
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631965#page/40/mode/1up   :)
Baptism Anty Sept 19th  1837    (6th down on right hand side)
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631965#page/21/mode/1up



Earlier threads
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705342.new#new

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=704759.msg5477061#msg5477061
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: myluck! on Friday 06 November 15 16:09 GMT (UK)
Hi conahy calling

Just a comment on the John Murphy on the 1901 & 1911 census
He seems too young to be a brother
The census returns => he was born c 1867 rather than c1830s/1840s to be a sibling
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Friday 06 November 15 17:04 GMT (UK)
Yes I agree with you Myluck
I posted them as they are the only John Murphys I could find in Castlegarden.
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Saturday 07 November 15 05:57 GMT (UK)
thanks for all your help. it all makes interesting reading and much to ponder over :)
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Saturday 07 November 15 16:29 GMT (UK)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRLN-XW1

John Murphy is a very common name.  1st link is for a John Murphy death in 1920, age 87, estimated birth 1833.   Thomastown Registration District.  There may be more possible matches to consider.


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Link for Civil Registration Index Ireland.

http://homepage.eircom.net/~duchas/steeples/SteepleVol1/oldtimeskilfane.htm
Link gives a general history of the area incl Castlegarden

http://www.maplandia.com/ireland/south-east/kilkenny/thomastown/
Map link.  (Using "Zoom" facility lower r/h corner)
 To find Castlegarden follow R448 road as far as Kilfane.  Castlegarden is to the right.

"Patrick Murphy of Grague"  This is probably Graiguenamanagh, which is south east of Castlegarden.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0706
Baptisms start 1838    (Marriages 1818) so not early enough to search for Patrick.
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Sunday 08 November 15 11:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks. Who would i contact to request a death certificate for John murphy. ?. Hopefully  it may show his parents names and wife if he married.

there is no baptism  records prior to 1838 for Patrick murphy?
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 08 November 15 13:36 GMT (UK)
I dont know if this is your John Murphy, just a possibility.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=442233.0

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=599538.171
Link about ordering certs

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html
Details included on Death Cert. 

Graiguenamanagh Baptism records commence 1838, but there is a possibility he could have been baptised in another parish.

Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Friday 13 November 15 09:33 GMT (UK)
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Link for Griffiths Valuation - property valuation
  dated 1850 for Castlegarden

Castlegarden is in
 Barony  Gowran
 Union    Thomastown
 Parish    Kilfane

Added
  http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631965#page/5/mode/1up
Baptism  James Murphy   1834   Right hand side in middle approx.


Tithe applotments  -  dated 1828 for Castlegarden
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: Brenda Good on Saturday 23 July 16 08:08 BST (UK)
Hello
My Murphy family also came from castlegarden, kilfane, Kilkenny. There are family still there today.
My Great grandfather Edward Murphy came out to New Zealand from Ireland in the 1800's.
We are bound to all be the same family. Would love to connect.
Brenda nee Murphy
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: clath on Tuesday 09 August 16 07:50 BST (UK)
Hello
My Murphy family also came from castlegarden, kilfane, Kilkenny. There are family still there today.
My Great grandfather Edward Murphy came out to New Zealand from Ireland in the 1800's.
We are bound to all be the same family. Would love to connect.
Brenda nee Murphy

Hi Brenda did you get my reply to another one of my posts that you responded too. Regarding Murphys of castle gardens? Would love to connect. I haven't found anyone so far that is tracing my lineage, even on ancestry.
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: Clan 213 on Sunday 04 February 18 23:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Myluck!.
These three Murphy's travelled to Australia with my relatives, first stopping in Port Adelaide for a week, then travelling to Port Phillip together. Might help.
James McMurty and his family left their home in Carrickfergus in County Antrim and arrived in Australia as assisted immigrants on the barque Sultana, 588 tons, under Captain David Mainland, which sailed out of London on the 23rd March 1850. It stopped at Plymouth to allow the McMurtry family and other emigrants to board and left there on the 6th April 1850 with 251 passengers. It arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia on the 25th July 1850. The ship took 47 days to reach the equator, and then made the run to Port Adelaide in 62 days.
The McMurty family, headed by James, a labourer from Antrim, went on to Melbourne with the Murphy family who were also on this voyage. The family was recorded as McMurty James (37), Margaret (36), John (16), James (14), Thomas (11) and Jenny (infant)
The trip to Melbourne was per the brigantine Elizabeth, 68 tons with Master Foyle towards Melbourne on Monday 5th August 1850. They thus spent 10 full days in Adelaide and arrived in Melbourne on Saturday August 10th as reported in The Argus on Monday August 12th on page 2
The Murphy family were all from Kilkenny and had 3 brothers and sister already in Melbourne. The traveller companions were John (32) a Labourer, Bridget (28) a Servant and Matthew (26) a Labourer.
Title: Re: john murphy castle gardens kilkenny ireland
Post by: myluck! on Wednesday 07 February 18 11:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the information - I'm sure that clath will find it useful