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Title: 1861 census lookup Whitchurch Now resolved thanks
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 10:21 GMT (UK)
god moaning ;D

I am researching my Mothers paternal line and have found a Henry Whitchurch with Wife Mary and family in 1841 , 1851, and 1871 but there is no trace of them in 1861 ?

This is the family in 1841 Census HO107 891 3 39 10
40 Blackfriars rd St Ebbe
Henry Whitchurch 1803
Mary Whitchurch 1803
Susan 1827 Oxfordshire
Henry  1829
Elizabeth 1831
Louisa    1833 
John        1834
Thomas    1836
Mary Ann    1838
Anstiss     1840
Hope someone can find them
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 10:39 GMT (UK)
in desperation I tried searching for just them in 1861 census by their  christian names and birth dates and found  this
RG09 768 89 27
Could this be them mistranscribed ? Its a very strange name
Henry Whihharde 1804 cordwainer born Aylesbury
Mary                   1804                 Born Abingdon Bucks
Richard               1843 cordwainer Oxford
James  Simmonds 1821 Wifes Brother ?

looks highly likely ,should I try to get the entry corrected on FindMyPast ?
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: lizdb on Friday 06 November 15 11:16 GMT (UK)
If you look at the actual image, it is Whitchurch. So, yes, it is a FindMyPast transcription error, so best to tell them.

Out of interest Ancestry indexed it correctly as Whitchurch.
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 06 November 15 11:21 GMT (UK)
Do you not look at the original image to assess whether the transcription is accurate?

I'd say it's a fair guess at transcription.
If it's not 100% clear then a faithful interpretation is better than a guess.
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: ColC on Friday 06 November 15 11:30 GMT (UK)
I was unable to find Henry born Buckinghamshire & Mary Berkshire in 1861. I note they moved from Blackfriars Road, St Ebbe, Oxford, Oxfordshire after 1851 and in 1871 were at Johnsons Row, Uxbridge, Middlesex. I think the one you found is them.

I did find some of the family below.

1861 - 28, Thames Street, Clewer, Windsor, Berkshire
Anstiss   Whitchurch   Servant   Unmarried   Female   20   1841   Oxford, Oxfordshire

1861 -  St Martins Street, St Mary the More, Wallingford, Berkshire
Henry   Whitchurch   Head   Married   Male   31   1830   Tailor Journeyman   Oxford, England
Eliza   Whitchurch   Wife   Married   Female   24   1837   Wife   Leicester,
Elizabeth   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   4   1857   Scholar   Leicester,
Henriette   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   1   1860      Wallingford, Berkshire
Emma   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   0   1861   -   Wallingford, Berkshire,
William   Hobb   Lodger   Married   Male   43   1818   Carrier Journeyman   Standerwick, Suffolk,
Ann   Hobb   Lodger   Married   Female   42   1819   Wife   Aldington, Berkshire,

1861 - Alpha Road, Upton, Eton, Buckinghamshire
Thomas W   Whitchurch   Head   Married   Male   25   1836   Boot & Shoe Maker   Oxford, England
Sarah   Whitchurch   Wife   Married   Female   25   1836   Boot Closer   Northamptonshire
Sarah H   Whitchurch   Daughter   -   Female   1   1860   -   Buckingham, Buckinghamshire


Colin
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 11:40 GMT (UK)
Do you not look at the original image to assess whether the transcription is accurate?
In this particular case it wouldn't have been possible because the FindMyPast database is based on their transcribed records (which are incorrectly transcribed,) not the original image ...which is why is why it was  not possible to find any reference to the family on FindMyPast.
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 11:43 GMT (UK)
If you look at the actual image, it is Whitchurch. So, yes, it is a FindMyPast transcription error, so best to tell them.

Out of interest Ancestry indexed it correctly as Whitchurch.

thanks Liz unfortunately I cannot afford a subscription to both FindMyPast and ancestry so I tend to rely on FindMyPast and Freebmd freecen
I suppose I should have checked ancestry but to be honest it didn't occur to me
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 11:54 GMT (UK)
thank you Colin you're a star . I did have Anstiss and also Thomas & Sarah Sarah but I did not have that their occupation was also  shoe making that ties in nicely thank you.
I also seem to have missed Henry Eliza Elizabeth in 1861 although somewhere I am sure I have them somewhere in 1851 .
Thank you for this record thats excellent work




I did find some of the family below.

1861 - 28, Thames Street, Clewer, Windsor, Berkshire
Anstiss   Whitchurch   Servant   Unmarried   Female   20   1841   Oxford, Oxfordshire

1861 -  St Martins Street, St Mary the More, Wallingford, Berkshire
Henry   Whitchurch   Head   Married   Male   31   1830   Tailor Journeyman   Oxford, England
Eliza   Whitchurch   Wife   Married   Female   24   1837   Wife   Leicester,
Elizabeth   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   4   1857   Scholar   Leicester,
Henriette   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   1   1860      Wallingford, Berkshire
Emma   Whitchurch   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   0   1861   -   Wallingford, Berkshire,
William   Hobb   Lodger   Married   Male   43   1818   Carrier Journeyman   Standerwick, Suffolk,
Ann   Hobb   Lodger   Married   Female   42   1819   Wife   Aldington, Berkshire,

1861 - Alpha Road, Upton, Eton, Buckinghamshire
Thomas W   Whitchurch   Head   Married   Male   25   1836   Boot & Shoe Maker   Oxford, England
Sarah   Whitchurch   Wife   Married   Female   25   1836   Boot Closer   Northamptonshire
Sarah H   Whitchurch   Daughter   -   Female   1   1860   -   Buckingham, Buckinghamshire


Colin
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 12:12 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your lookups and help I couldn't have got as far as I have without Rootschat members help.
Here is what I have recorded so far up to 1871.
The top line is my late Mothers  direct paternal line and I haven't yet had a chance to investigate where there might be connections to all the other Whitchurch families

When it is finished I intend to list all of it so that it might be of help to present and future researchers of the Whitchurch line
https://flic.kr/p/zQ3NA2
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: lizdb on Friday 06 November 15 14:46 GMT (UK)
Do you not look at the original image to assess whether the transcription is accurate?
In this particular case it wouldn't have been possible because the FindMyPast database is based on their transcribed records (which are incorrectly transcribed,) not the original image ...which is why is why it was  not possible to find any reference to the family on FindMyPast.

I think Pauline meant after you had found the Whihhade family - to check what the image actually said! Always best to work from the image not the transcription.
What you did, usig Christian names only to hunt for them, is one useful tip BUt then when you find something possible, as you did, then look at the image.
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup please Whitchurch
Post by: earley-bird on Friday 06 November 15 14:58 GMT (UK)
thank you for explaining Liz .

I think had there not been pretty conclusive detail in the transcription I would have checked the image but the birth dates and birth places and occupations and census area all matched so I was almost certain it was the same family especially given the ridiculous name which couldn't be found anywhere else in any record source.

I am running perilously close to the end of my subscription with FindMyPast and I cannot afford another until sometime next year so I am using every lookup very sparingly at the moment .I have over 15x other images I'd like to check but simply cannot afford it at the moment.

i hope this explains why I did not also check the image in this instance.
Did you look at my Whitchurch record ?  there is a lot of lookups in that lot  ::)
Title: Re: 1861 census lookup Whitchurch Now resolved thanks
Post by: Deb Clark Rennie on Tuesday 30 January 18 22:50 GMT (UK)
Wasn't sure how old this post might be but I also descend from this family via Henry's daughter Mary Ann who marries Edward Fry, I've also contributed DNA via ancestry and have had a match to a descendant of Louisa Sarah her sister. 

So would be interested in hearing from you.

Blessings
Deb