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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Meredith48 on Tuesday 10 November 15 06:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi Rootschatters who know about Irish social history in the 1830's. My ancestor came from Lisnadill Parish, and with her children, applied for assisted emigration to South Australia. They applied twice, once apparently in Ireland, then again in November 1839, in Scotland. They came to SA on the "Tomatin" in March 1840, leaving from Greenock, Scotland. I'm wondering if this was a "normal" pattern for the time, or is there another reason by the widowed Ann Hanlin and her children Thomas, Letitia ( my ancestor), James and children William and Ellen, made the journey across to Scotland.
Her husband James had died before they emigrated, and I'd like to find his grave, but have had no luck trying to find him. Griffiths Valuations (1864)had Donnellys and Hanlons in Ballybrolly, but that's not definitive enough, obviously . Any advice gratefully received. I'm very new to Irish searching, and am learning fast! We'll be visiting early next year, so would like to find out as much as I can before we get there! Thanks, in anticipation, Meredith (Adelaide, South Australia)
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Religion?
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Hi Hallmark,
Though not noted on their emigration applications, Ann and other family members were buried in a Church of England cemetery. So, my assumption would be Church of Ireland? Am I correct in that assumption?
Meredith
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Hi Hallmark,
Though not noted on their emigration applications, Ann and other family members were buried in a Church of England cemetery. So, my assumption would be Church of Ireland? Am I correct in that assumption?
Meredith
Yes, always good to have a good idea of their Religion so your assumption would be correct!
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http://ireland.anglican.org/information/dioceses/parish/10330
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http://www.armagh.anglican.org/Contacts/GenealogySearches.html
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There doesn't seem to be a Rector there at the moment..
http://www.armagh.anglican.org/Parishes/LisnadillKildarton.html
but maybe someone more local would know what Rector is covering the Parish at the moment
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Hi Hallmark,
Though not noted on their emigration applications, Ann and other family members were buried in a Church of England cemetery. So, my assumption would be Church of Ireland? Am I correct in that assumption?
Meredith
Actually you can't assume that they were Church of Ireland. They might have belonged to another denomination but when they got to Australia started going to another church in the area for some reason.
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Thank you, Hallmark. I'll try and contact the Lisnadill Parish, to track down James Hanlin's burial.
Meredith
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Thanks for your advice, Aghadowey. Most of my other ancestors were non-conformist while still in England, and continued in those after emigration: but the fact that this branch of the family were C of E in South Australia, I did presume Church of Ireland. Can't imagine they were Catholic.
Back to the "drawing board" then....
Cheers, Meredith
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In Ireland it's usually only the Church of Ireland that kept burial records but not all of these registers survive. Before asking for burial details you need to check how far back the records actually go back.
I haven't been able to track down dates for the records but perhaps someone else will be able to do so.
http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.ancestry.com/Old/coirecs.html
This gravestone site does show that there are burials at Lisnadill Parish Church- although for the period you need it may be that the family never erected a headstone, headstone might exist but be illegible or that there was a stone but it's been removed to re-let the plot to another family.
http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Lisnadill%20CI
In case you are not aware of this- since the Church of Ireland was at one time the Established (i.e. State) church, everyone had to pay tithes to it and thus might be buried in the Parish ground. Thus you will find all different religions buried in old family plots but these 'outsiders' are not always included in the burial register.
http://www.bygonesandbyways.com/folders/churches_and_graveyards/st__john_s_lisnadill.htm
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No problem!
Don't forget various spellings... Hanlin/Hanlon. The C of I would be your starting point based on religion after leaving, and only a starting point!
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CHARLEMONT
1798-1802
Rentals – major tenants – civil parishes Eglish, Forkhill, Grange, Keady, Kilclooney, Killevy, Lisnadil, Loughgall, Loughgilly, Mullaghbrack, Tartaraghan.
National Library of Ireland. Ms. 2702
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Armaghbreague was formed as a perpetual Curacy on Jan. 13, 1829, out of 3 townlands of Lisnadill and 3
townlands of Keady parishes — the Rectors of Armagh (2 turns) and Keady (2 turns) having the right of nomination and contributing towards the Curate's income £60 and £20 respectively. The Church was built on land conveyed on Sep. 14, 1830, at a cost of £600, a gift from the Board of First Fruits (Rep. 1836). It was consecrated on Oct. 19, 1831 (D.R.).
The schoolhouse was erected in 1826.
Records extant: — In P.R.O. 4 vols., viz.: — Baptisms 1829-77; Marriages 1832-45, Burials 1831-77.
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thanks so much for spending all this time on my query:
The Charlemont connection - does this mean I could find something if I visited the National Library when we get to Ireland next year?
And thanks for the Armaghbreague record info: I thought the Parish records I was needing were amongst those lost in the fire. Those dates are perfect for my search! So I'm definitely going to visit the PRO.
How exciting, and encouraging....
I've only found out about my Irish heritage in the last few months: found Scottish at the same time - prior to these two popping up, I was entirely England-based.
Thank you for contributing to my excitement! Meredith
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I see Armaghbreague on P.8 here at RCB website in Dublin.. haven't checked other churches you might need!!
The Microfilm copy available in the Reading Room of the NAI only
http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf
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NAI.. National Archives of Ireland
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/
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Lisnadill corresponds to the ancient parish of Clonconchy, which seems to have been united to Armagh about 1630. The greater part of the parish was at one time religious property, held by the Primate, the Abbey of SS. Peter and Paul, Armagh, or the Abbess of the Ferta.
In 1772 43 townlands were separated from Armagh and formed into the Perpetual Curacy of Lisnadill on 5th June. The church was erected in the same year by Primate Robinson, and consecrated 2 Nov., 1782. A
stone in the tower gives the date as 1772 and bears the arms of Primate Robinson. The glebe house was built in the year 1776.
The ancient church was destroyed in 1641, but its large cemetery is still used.
The Communion Plate includes a silver chalice and paten, dated 1777, and a silver flagon dated 1681.
Records extant: — Baptisms and Burials from 1778-1877, Marriages 1778-1845. Registers since these dates in possession of Incumbent,
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Also on Microfilm at NAI....
http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf P. 71 Lisnadill
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Hi Meredith
Do you have any paperwork to indicate Anne's maiden name ?
Can you post a list of her and James's children and their years of birth ?!
Thanks
Tara
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Good morning, Tara.
My Irish ancestor Ann HANLIN nee DONNELLY, born 1796 in Lisnadill, Armagh, was the widow of James HANLIN when she applied for free emigration to South Australia.
Her children were Thomas b 1811 (came with his wife Ann), James,b 1815, Letitia ( my ancestor) b 1824, William, b1827 and Ellen b 1832. The ages on their application forms varied of course, but those birth dates are pretty close.
They applied for emigration in early 1839, and were aboard "Tomatin", which left Greenock on 25th October 1839, arriving in South Australia in March 1840. This was only three and a quarter years after the colony of South Australia was settled. Perhaps it was the death of her bread-winner husband which prompted Ann to emigrate?
Hope this helps narrow down my search,
Thank you, Meredith
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I'm afraid Lisnadill don't appear to have many records at all.
http://armagh.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=centres/armagh/sources.tpl
Tara
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Have already posted Lisnadil Records extant: — Baptisms and Burials from 1778-1877, Marriages 1778-1845. Registers since these dates in possession of Incumbent,
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Cool
I was just hoping to find them online for OP
Tara
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Cool
I was just hoping to find them online for OP
Tara
No worries... all I can find is them on Microfilm at NAI
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So now I'm going to the National Archives in Dublin, and the PRONI in Belfast! I think we'll add a few days to our travel schedule:
Thanks for all your efforts, and advice.
Meredith
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http://sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_017966/Details#tabnav
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So now I'm going to the National Archives in Dublin, and the PRONI in Belfast! I think we'll add a few days to our travel schedule:
Thanks for all your efforts, and advice.
Meredith
Might as well throw in the National Library in Dublin too... (IF they were freeholders!!)
A list of freeholders on the estates of the Earl of Charlemont in Co. Armagh, arranged alphabetically within each Barony, 1820
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Copy of a schedule of leases of the Charlemont Estate, Co. Armagh, 1750-1829, made by T. G. F. Paterson from the original in the possession of Major Boyle and Sons, Armagh
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 7369
might be worth considering??
Not expensive and Joe Harte can give you the cost if you email him jharte2'at'nli.ie
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Dear Meredith
I am a newcomer to RootsChat and I have just stumbled on your HANLIN posting. My wife's Gt-Gt-Grandfather was the Thomas Hanlin who sailed with his mother, Anne Donnely Hanlin on the Tomatin in 1840. We have just been in Kapunda and elsewhere chasing up some loose ends.
I have never pursued the Irish end, nor to any extent, Thomas' brother James, but I now have a truckload of info on Thomas and his son George. I have just "completed" a write up of the life of George Hanlin which touches heavily on his father Thomas (but like almost all of this is likely to be a work-in-progress forever).
I should be interested to know how far you got in your enquiries. My own notes on James Hanlin are sparse - just his marriage to Mary MacKellar and their family births.
Whyatt